FC-PGA2 Tualatin Converter for S370 MB, $12.88

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
depends on which you want. higher fsb, or higher clock. for apollo pro 133 boards safer to get 1.1a so u get full 133mhz bus overclock. with bx better to go with higher original clock speed since your unlikely to hit 133bus.

Tons of people run 133 MHz FSB on BX boards.

 

[0roo0roo]

depends how old your ram is, and how hardcore you were back then. many people with bx only had pc 100 slow ram that can't handle much of an oc. i remember my cheapo ram could only hit 112. considering how thers no 133 divider...133hmz no a bx very hard to do.

 

[oldfart]

133 on a BX is simple. I couldn't tell you how many of those rigs I've setup. Set the FSB to 133 and you're done. How hard is that? Who the heck runs PC100? This thread is about running a Tually on a BX board now. And lots of people ran 133 FSB as soon as the PIII came out on BX's anyway. Countless numbers of people ran PIII 550E @ 733, 700e @ 933 etc. It was an extremely popular setup.

 

[Rab]

Who the heck runs PC100?

Someone running a BX in it's original (factory) configuration, perhaps from Gateway or Dell?

133 on a BX is simple. I couldn't tell you how many of those rigs I've setup. Set the FSB to 133 and you're done. How hard is that?

I suppose you *might* consider that the 133 mhz bus hasn't always been available on all BX boards.

How hard is that?

 

[oldfart]

It is on the vast majority of them. Any of the ones that have overclocking capabilities can do it. The couple of exceptions would be early revision Abit BH6 and BX6 that dont have a 1/4 PCI divider. You guys are talking like 133 FSB on a BX is something new here. It be done countless times by countless people. When the PIII CPU's came out, it was a very popular configuration (PIII550E @733). I'm not "theorizing IF" it is possible. It is. I've done it, and so have many others.

 

[0roo0roo]

thats only considering newer bx boards. older ones definetly couldn't. i got my bx when my p2 400 cost ...well 500 dollars! pc 100 mem was the norm. so many m/b can't go all that high, let alone have dividers.

later on yes, but then they even had apollo pro 133's out whcih could do even better.

 

[oldfart]

Be specific. What BX boards dont work? I can name 2. Abit BH6 and BX6 early revisions. They were the only 2 boards made without a 1/4 PCI divider that I have even seen. I've built them with Asus P2B which is one of the very first BX boards made, P3BF, BH6 and BX6 (rev 2), MSI BX-Master, Soyo 6BA III and IV. Saying you cant run 133 on a BX is like saying you cant overclock a C300A to 450. Its been done too many times. Having poor quality mem has nothing to do with the ability of the board to run 133 FSB.

Also, try to remember the subject here is running a Tually on an S370 or BX board TODAY. Last I saw, PC133 is not all that hard to find.

 

[sleefer]

I have an AOpen AX6BC Pro II Millennium Edition and it'll do 143Mhz FSB with Mushkin Rev. 2 PC133. I got one of the Upgradeware slot T adapters with a celeron 1.4Ghz in it right now. Haven't even tried OC'ing it yet, still getting used to the difference between it and the PIII 500 that it replaced. Even if you can't OC it that much because of the PCI bus it's still worth the performance increase. I'll sell the PIII 500 for close to what it cost me to do the whole upgrade. It doesn't make sense not to do this unless you want to replace the motherboard.
I can't speak for this compgeeks adapter but, the upgradeware slot T adapters from Stratton Computers are great.
EDIT: My thanks to oldfart, it was his post back in Dec. that made me want to try it.

 

[0roo0roo]

my bx asus p2b with built in scsi couldn't pull more then 112.

 

[oldfart]

Maybe it was your ram holding you back. I've run 133 on a P2B.

 

[Wiz]

I have one of the exact adapters being sold by Computer Geeks in my Asus CUSL2-C.
At first I couldn't get it to post at all, I had the jumpers configured for intel chipset.
I reconfigured the jumpers for Via chipset & it worked great.
Got a P3-S 1.26 Tualatin in there running 9.5 X 155fsb for 1472mhz. Very Nice

I also have one of the Stratton Slot T adapters, in my P3V4X mobo. Got a Cel 1.1A in there running 142 X 11 = 1562mhz

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: John P.
What is the fastest processor I could run on an Abit BP6 with this?

It takes some serious modding even with the adapters just to get a PIII to work! Dual-PIIIs are a recent breakthrough. Check BP6.com...

 

[gibster]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: John P.
What is the fastest processor I could run on an Abit BP6 with this?

It takes some serious modding even with the adapters just to get a PIII to work! Dual-PIIIs are a recent breakthrough. Check BP6.com...

Better yet, has anybody tried running Abit VP6 with these? I have one, running 2xPIII 700@933, it could turn out to be an interesting upgrade. The box isn't too bad, but the XP2200+ blows it to pieces, maybe with a pair of PIII FCPGA2 OCd to like 1.5GHz, it may have a chance...

 

[Kostya17]

2 1.1a @ 1.5ghz here. 1005 bios just fine


0roo0roo,

Are you running 2 Celeries on dual mobo, or those are just 2 computers? If you managed to run celeries in dual mode, how did you do that?

 

[mindless1]

Evertek dropped their price to $10

I also bought one of these from Compgeeks, it came in an orange box labeled "August Tech" (or something like that) but visually looks identical. I haven't had much chance to play with it yet but did try it on these 3 boards, all with latest bios:

ECS P6STP-FN (SIS 630)= Won't even fit, won't work after i MADE it fit, kept locking during POST.

Tyan S1854 (Via 694X) = Works fine at default, needs VID1 & VID2 pins shorted to get 1.65? V. Other quirk is that system won't post with CPU FSB @ 33MHz over default unless BSEL pin on CPU is (isolated or connected, i forget), which i didn't get around to modding yet, ran a Celery 1.1A @ ~ 1.3x GHz or so.

Gigabyte 6VX7B-4x (Via 694X) = Works fine at default, needs VID1 & VID2 shorted to raise voltage, runs Celery 1.1A fine @ 133FSB ~ 1.47GHz but won't POST @ 140FSB (1.54GHz)

 

[vegetation]

As far as I know, the only celerons that could smp were the original celerons, up to 533MHz. Even those were not supposed to be able to smp, but Intel goofed. All the other celerons were made certain not to be smp capable.

Are you running 2 Celeries on dual mobo, or those are just 2 computers? If you managed to run celeries in dual mode, how did you do that?

 

[unclebud]

thanks for the post AND the discussion. i just came into possession of two 450mhz Dell XPS R systems, and i was wondering what my options were as far as oc'ing
much thanks again!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Kostya17
2 1.1a @ 1.5ghz here. 1005 bios just fine


0roo0roo,

Are you running 2 Celeries on dual mobo, or those are just 2 computers? If you managed to run celeries in dual mode, how did you do that?

hehe, no, its two separate systems. one lousy abit with via chipset, and an asus p3v4x. my bx kicked the bucket b4 the tually upgrade, it only had a celly 566@850

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: vegetation
As far as I know, the only celerons that could smp were the original celerons, up to 533MHz. Even those were not supposed to be able to smp, but Intel goofed. All the other celerons were made certain not to be smp capable.

Are you running 2 Celeries on dual mobo, or those are just 2 computers? If you managed to run celeries in dual mode, how did you do that?

The ABIT BP6 was made against Intel's wishes and supports dual PPGA (s370) Celeron's right out of the box. It DOESN'T support Coppermine Celeron's or any PIIIs at all without hardware/BIOS modding and socket adapters. Dual PIIIs was only achieved in the last year. This was one hell of a revolutionary board for its time! Dual 366MHz PPGA Celerons at 550MHz blew away PIIIs of that era because it was full-speed L2 cache memory. Even today many consider it the perfect overclock (Easy bump from 66 to 100MHz FSB, 366 to 550MHz). Without it you would have to buy a PPGA (s370) to Slot1 adapter designed to allow dual Celeron CPUs and run it in an expensive dual PIII board.

2000th post!

 

[vegetation]

But the question is, can the BP6 run the Tualatin P3's with this adapter in smp mode? I know the BP6 can run Coppermines pretty easily in single processor mode with the older adapters, and the mod for two P3 coppermines is a bit more tricky, but it's hardly worth the trouble for a modest speed increase if you already have the system set up as overclocked dual 550mhz celerons. I can't find any answer to this as I do have a BP6 of my own and would hate to trash it. Like I said, the cost factor to upgrade my system to coppermines isn't even worth it anymore, but if I can run dual tualatins then that would be great. I haven't seen anyone try though.

The ABIT BP6 was made against Intel's wishes and supports dual PPGA (s370) Celeron's right out of the box. It DOESN'T support Coppermine Celeron's or any PIIIs at all without hardware/BIOS modding and socket adapters. Dual PIIIs was only achieved in the last year. This was one hell of a revolutionary board for its time! Dual 366MHz PPGA Celerons at 550MHz blew away PIIIs of that era because it was full-speed L2 cache memory. Even today many consider it the perfect overclock (Easy bump from 66 to 100MHz FSB, 366 to 550MHz). Without it you would have to buy a PPGA (s370) to Slot1 adapter designed to allow dual Celeron CPUs and run it in an expensive dual PIII board.

2000th post!

 

[CZroe]

From what I hear, it's horribly unstable with PIII's in general (Damn voltage-swing issues. Half the PIII mod junk is just fixing that crap), so it's even more "not worth it." I only keep mine going for the novelty and it's very unstable anyway. A bad PSU fried one of my Celerons and I've been running at stock speeds ever since but the stability issues are worse than ever! Oh well, at least I know it's not the rock-solid BX chipset

 

[Wiz]

I said: I have one of the exact adapters being sold by Computer Geeks in my Asus CUSL2-C.

UPDATE: The dang thing seems to have flaked out on me.
It had a few stops, from which I recovered but last night it died. I'm not entirely sure it's the adapter and not the mobo, but I installed the cpu in my other system that uses an Upgradeware Slot-T adapter and the CPU is fine. The cpu that was in the other system also does not work in the CUSL2-C mobo.
I'll either have to get another adapter or a Tualatin mobo, of course that would require a reinstall of Win 2K server = no fun

UPDATE AGAIN - I changed jumpers, reseated the adapter and now the system runs again. Weird

 

[fr]

I got the adapter mentioned in the first post from Compgeeks two weeks ago. It works perfectly. It's not documented, but the jumpers can adjust the core voltage. I discovered this when I tried the wire mod and the jumper settings would override it each time. The thing is, the settings are not documented, so you just have to try different combinations until you get the voltage you want.

I tried half a dozen jumper combinations and got different default voltages ranging from 1.3v to 2.0v. I am using it on an ASUS CUV4X-C non-Tualatin S370 board.

 

[unclebud]

this thread bump is ironic... still waiting for dude from stratton to send me my adapters has anyone ordered from him in the past two weeks and gotten their stuff?
just wondering

 

[Wiz]

fr - what jumpers are you using now for what voltage?
I've tried a few, and got base voltages of 1.3 - 1.45 - I'd like to get a higher base voltage of maybe 1.55 or 1.6