FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity...

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
While the internet is a public domain, there is not currently in place AFAIK (or publically disclosed at least) a system to scan ALL data. While yes it is a public domain and network, this is the same thing as having all phone calls routed through servers to scan for keywords/phrases (or just record all of them). Yes the phone has a reasonable expectation of privacy, whereas the internet does not.

This is just another step in the road to 1984...

I disagree. I believe we should be able to expect to have privacy over the internet. Maybe not 100% privacy, but close enough. If there truly is a need to monitor us more, then I would at least expect a lot of money to be dumped in the area of checks and balances for this sort of thing so their methods are not abused.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Eli
How are we supposed to handle this, then? Should it be up to the individual users to encrypt their data if they don't want it seen on the public network, then? I guess thats kinda the way it is now already...

But knowing someone was definitely watching makes the sense of it much more urgent.

HERE ME OUT before the knee jerk reactions. Not directed to you Eli, but coming from somebody that works in the delivery of packets on the intarweb.

How are we supposed to handle this? That is a VERY difficult question coming from a "give me liberty" person that I am. The reason for explosion of The Internet is the very fact that it is public network

The reason The Internet works and why it is so open is because of agreed upon ways of exchanging information. This is all public information and what allowed The Internet to become what it is today. The same could be said of the telephone networks as far as standards were concerned. It gets real complicated and I can't demonstrate it in an intarweb post.

All I can comment on is gubment staying out of it is what allowed The Internet to become what it is. It's the public network that it is that allowed it to take over. It's also being a public network that no expectation of privacy is observed.

Enter virtual private networks.

Are you saying all contents on the Internet are free to "use" right?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Eli
How are we supposed to handle this, then? Should it be up to the individual users to encrypt their data if they don't want it seen on the public network, then? I guess thats kinda the way it is now already...

But knowing someone was definitely watching makes the sense of it much more urgent.

HERE ME OUT before the knee jerk reactions. Not directed to you Eli, but coming from somebody that works in the delivery of packets on the intarweb.

How are we supposed to handle this? That is a VERY difficult question coming from a "give me liberty" person that I am. The reason for explosion of The Internet is the very fact that it is public network

The reason The Internet works and why it is so open is because of agreed upon ways of exchanging information. This is all public information and what allowed The Internet to become what it is today. The same could be said of the telephone networks as far as standards were concerned. It gets real complicated and I can't demonstrate it in an intarweb post.

All I can comment on is gubment staying out of it is what allowed The Internet to become what it is. It's the public network that it is that allowed it to take over. It's also being a public network that no expectation of privacy is observed.

Enter virtual private networks.

Are you saying all contents on the Internet are free to "use" right?

Provided that content is not protected under other laws, yes.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Eli
FUCK that.

No, seriously. WTF?

We aren't a free country anymore...

You're obviously not reading the posts above you. The Internet is not a private place. There cannot be an invasion of privacy in a network where everything is public and can be seen by a 17 year old with experiance.

Downloads are done right over a public line. I could probably nab a couple of guys right now by going onto a Download I have for a game, and tracking all the IP's that are seeding or leeching off me. Thats basically what these guys are doing.

So if I go to a site that I pay a monthly subscription too, and I can not view such material without the subscription and thusly a password is required to access that network. So according to you, all that data even though it is protected by copyright and what not, is free to everyone and anyone that wants it? If the internet was a public network, then why do I have to pay a provider to access it? If it's public, then I should get it for free right? By your logic, I should be able to hit up iTunes or any other music or movie service and download everything I want because it's on the internet and thus is open for public consumption. Every company that is connected to the internet should be free for anyone to browse through their corporate info?

You seem to be the type that is ok with gradually giving up your rights and freedoms. One day you will wake up and realize that you don't like wearing the same jumpsuit everyone else wears and that you can remember when you got to choose what you ate for breakfast.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Those of you speaking out against this are getting scanned with more scrutiny as we speak.....

And your post was sent in the clear for anybody that wanted to record everything you did. This is not unconstitutional.

You are free to shout as hard as you want in a public forum without penalty. You are not to expect privacy for shouting in a public forum.

Hence, The Internet is by definition a PUBLIC network. It is not a PRIVATE network.

:thumbsup:

far too many people forget this...then e-hilarity ensues.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: ElFenix
didn't we vote in democrats to stop this crap?

cute.. you think there is a difference in the major parties

you're reading too much into what i said

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Eli
FUCK that.

No, seriously. WTF?

We aren't a free country anymore...

We are a free country. We're just struggling with what is considered private communications and public communications. It's a battle of the constitution vs. technology.

1) Tapping into phone lines = not legal, well...not admissable. But I did it all the time, sorry - part of my job.
2) To expect privacy on a public network like The Internet is just absurd. It is a PUBLIC network.

Oh No! Spidey knows all my deep dark secrets!

srsly, I didn't mean all those nasty things I said about Dick Cheney and Tom Cruise...well, some of them, anyway

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Eli
FUCK that.

No, seriously. WTF?

We aren't a free country anymore...

You're obviously not reading the posts above you. The Internet is not a private place. There cannot be an invasion of privacy in a network where everything is public and can be seen by a 17 year old with experiance.

Downloads are done right over a public line. I could probably nab a couple of guys right now by going onto a Download I have for a game, and tracking all the IP's that are seeding or leeching off me. Thats basically what these guys are doing.

seeing as how phone calls can also be 'seen' by 17 year olds with experience and the proper equipment (especially if they're sitting in a big network node like the ones verizon or at&t operate), and phone calls are protected (generally), i don't see that it's that much different.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: spidey07

We are a free country. We're just struggling with what is considered private communications and public communications. It's a battle of the constitution vs. technology.

1) Tapping into phone lines = not legal, well...not admissable. But I did it all the time, sorry - part of my job.
2) To expect privacy on a public network like The Internet is just absurd. It is a PUBLIC network.

What I would really like to know is how much of all this new "home land security" stuff is really keeping us safe though. You are (were?) a part of that field. How much of it do you feel really isn't all that necessary? How much do you feel that it all really keeps people safe on a regular basis?

Keep in mind that I do support the idea of our government monitoring communications to a degree whether it be phone calls, internet communication, or whatever. It's just that there doesn't seem to be an end in sight with how far they are willing to go and I believe a lot of their efforts (especially some of the new ones) are for little to nothing.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Eli
FUCK that.

No, seriously. WTF?

We aren't a free country anymore...

We are a free country. We're just struggling with what is considered private communications and public communications. It's a battle of the constitution vs. technology.

1) Tapping into phone lines = not legal, well...not admissable. But I did it all the time, sorry - part of my job.
2) To expect privacy on a public network like The Internet is just absurd. It is a PUBLIC network.

so there's no such thing as confidential emails?
any electronic communication between attorney/client; doctor/patient cant be considered privileged anymore?

 

[PepePeru]

i am so TIRED of hearing about that god-damned piece of paper!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: G Wizard
i am so TIRED of hearing about that god-damned piece of paper!

I you have actually read The Constitution you will see no mention of a "right" to privacy.

 

[venkman]

Yeah, everything you post here or anywhere is read and scanned by keyword searching computers. My friend was dicking a round on an other Message Board and he made some comments to the effect of what he would do if he met G Dub face to face.

The next day he got a visit from the Secret Service and was put on probation.

Just to clarify, this guy is really nice and would never hurt a fly.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: potato28
WTF?!1? Get out of my Internets!!!!!!!!!

GET OUT OF MY TUBES!!!

GET THE SHOTGUN, WE'RE GOING TO THE BOMB SHELTER!

 

[SlickSnake]

This thread ties together with THIS thread and makes a nice tight knot, around our necks.