FBI releases FISA warrant application. Dossier claims debunked

HomerJS

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Takeaways...

1. The initial FBI investigation was because of George Papadopolus not Carter Paige and the dossier.

2. The investigation started before the dossier came into play.

3. The FISA warrant was reissued multiple times. Dossier was used but was not needed in initial application. Probable cause standard had to be met before warrant issued.

4. Devin Nunes lied his ass off


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ut-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/21/politics/fbi-carter-page-surveillance-warrant/index.html
 

fleshconsumed

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Doesn't matter. The fact that dossier appears in the warrant application is all the evidence they need.
 

dank69

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How derp does the derp state go? Is there no end to the derp? Save us from the derp, god-emperor Trump!
 
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thraashman

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Nunes? Legal action? His deeds cant possibly be legal?
How many times did Republicans break the law during the many attempts in the House to slander Hillary without legal consequence? The problem with a Republican member of Congress breaking the law, is that it's the Republican Congress that has to hold them accountable. And they'd rather dismantle American democracy instead.
 

trenchfoot

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Let's wait a 'lil bit until either the House and Senate or both gets taken back by the Dems and then have a whole shitload of investigations initiated by the Dems starting with Trump himself for the numerous violations he's committed but has been totally ignored by the Repubs ie- emoluments, campaign financing, collusion, lying etc. and then go after McConnell, Ryan and Nunes for their being complicit with Trump by enabling Trump to get away with all this shit he's been scamming the nation with.

The Rule of Law that the Repubs are so fond of throwing out there and true justice needs to be applied to right the many wrongs Trump and his gang over at the legislature have committed against the nation.
 

Younigue

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It's not that I prefer this kind of shit happening in secret but these fu*kers are doing this out loud and proud because they are actually too stupid to do it covertly. They don't know how to get away with it because they truly aren't smart enough especially in this high speed information era so they're doing it in the open. Their base has no discernable moral compass or reasonable desire with which to hold them accountable. America is truly being held hostage by ugly, stupid, cruel people with a far too large group of the hostages experiencing Stockholm Syndrome or joining the abductors.
 

cytg111

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Let's wait a 'lil bit until either the House and Senate or both gets taken back by the Dems and then have a whole shitload of investigations initiated by the Dems starting with Trump himself for the numerous violations he's committed but has been totally ignored by the Repubs ie- emoluments, campaign financing, collusion, lying etc. and then go after McConnell, Ryan and Nunes for their being complicit with Trump by enabling Trump to get away with all this shit he's been scamming the nation with.

The Rule of Law that the Repubs are so fond of throwing out there and true justice needs to be applied to right the many wrongs Trump and his gang over at the legislature have committed against the nation.
The problem with that is the waiting. Problem with having Putin calling the shots is that he is a "master" at winning "elections"..
 
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fskimospy

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Let's wait a 'lil bit until either the House and Senate or both gets taken back by the Dems and then have a whole shitload of investigations initiated by the Dems starting with Trump himself for the numerous violations he's committed but has been totally ignored by the Repubs ie- emoluments, campaign financing, collusion, lying etc. and then go after McConnell, Ryan and Nunes for their being complicit with Trump by enabling Trump to get away with all this shit he's been scamming the nation with.

The Rule of Law that the Repubs are so fond of throwing out there and true justice needs to be applied to right the many wrongs Trump and his gang over at the legislature have committed against the nation.

No way you could prosecute Ryan or McConnell and I don’t think we would want to live in a world where you could. Nunes on the other hand there might be a better case although it’s still a long shot due to the immunities clause.

With Nunes at least we know we have a deliberate attempt to release false and misleading information in order to undercut a federal criminal investigation.
 

trenchfoot

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No way you could prosecute Ryan or McConnell and I don’t think we would want to live in a world where you could. Nunes on the other hand there might be a better case although it’s still a long shot due to the immunities clause.

With Nunes at least we know we have a deliberate attempt to release false and misleading information in order to undercut a federal criminal investigation.

Right you are on all counts. My error was in not prefacing my post with a *wishful thinking* proviso.
 

kage69

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Glad to see the Dump admin's lies being exposed, facts are coming out and it's hard to deny their agenda of lies and obstruction. Not that the Dump cult isn't trying.

And Devin Nunes, for starters, belongs in prison. These assholes would rather corrupt our justice system and democracy, than honor their oaths of office or the patriotic ideals they always claimed to cherish. Disgusting.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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The problem with that is the waiting. Problem with having Putin calling the shots is that he is a "master" at winning "elections"..
Elections in Russia are a scripted reality show. There is no government, there is only Bratva. They have a shadow economy that's entirely off the books. Given the shape of their public economy, does anyone really think they could run the military operations they do?
 
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Like anyone with even cursory knowledge of the farce that has been Turmp and Republicans treachery didn't know this. Its a shame that conservatives minds are so rotted that this still won't matter to them.

Elections in Russia are a scripted reality show. There is no government, there is only Bratva. They have a shadow economy that's entirely off the books. Given the shape of their public economy, does anyone really think they could run the military operations they do?

What military operations? You mean their slapdash dumbass bumblefuck invasion of Ukraine after their sham intelligence propped up corrupt government fell apart? Their Syrian operations aren't exactly cutting edge either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with most of your commentary (certainly their elections are a sham, and certainly Putin is desperate to keep propping up their backchannel corruption that frankly is bigger than them - as evidenced with the Panama Papers and plenty other, this is a serious issue everywhere in the world although I'm sure that the Russians are especially focused on it).

My point is, Russia's military might is all smoke and mirrors bullshit. Sure they still have nukes (although I'm actually starting to doubt how strong of force they have there, hell the US' stuff is rotting and we still have active measures for handling them, and Russia really let themselves go), and they're not quite at the level of Iran showing off a papier-mache stealth jet fighter (their new tank that they showed off = and broke down during the parade - I'm sure was at least made of metal and used actual tank gear), but their ability to wage actual warfare I think just isn't there. They do a lot to try and pretend it still is, flying their what 70 year old bear bombers, and their military parades, and fake press releases about supersonic torpedoes and warp drive submarines, but there's multiple countries that could single-handedly embarrass Russia in a conventional war (and pretty much none of them would be doing so alone). The US military would fucking obliterate Russia's, it would probably be on the level of the first Iraq War (keep in mind, at the time, Soviet stuff that Saddam was using was considered quite comparable or at least far more competitive with the US', and Saddam had what the 4th largest military of the time? In that span, Russia's has dwindled and is full of young chucklefucks that would rather show off on social media than learn proper training, and the US has been spending 2/3 of a trillion dollars per year for the nearly 30 years since then). That's why they're deliberately trying to find advantages in the digital realm and waging their psy-ops program to undermine other countries.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not itching for actual war with Russia, and the US has shown our military is fully capable of its own stupendous blunders in handling an outmatched foe. Just that, I don't get this weird fear of Russian military that people seem to have. Full stop, the bigger concern is that dealing with Russia seriously would create an energy crisis in Europe due to Russia trying to play hostage with their natural gas exports which make up a very sizable amount of Europe's energy (although that is working on being adjusted specifically because they recognize that having such a critical aspect beholden to a foreign state that is showing itself to be very aggressive in trying to destabilize others).
 

hal2kilo

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Personally, when and if people end up in jail, and or impeached, Steele should get something like the congressional medal of honor for saving our democracy. But, this may never come to pass and our world will be shit.
 

kage69

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Personally, when and if people end up in jail, and or impeached, Steele should get something like the congressional medal of honor for saving our democracy. But, this may never come to pass and our world will be shit.

Steele helped light the fuse, but Mueller will be the explosion that changes everything. I'd decorate both of them, maybe Rosenstein too.
 

HomerJS

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Trump slowly removing all accountability to the people of the United States.

His lemmings just stand by and let it happen.
 

fskimospy

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I guess none of our conservative friends have seen their talking points yet.

What I find most interesting is that the conservative response to seeing a bunch of lies debunked is to just pretend the facts actually supported them instead of the opposite.

As Obama said in the past when you got caught in a lie you at least stopped saying it. Now, they just keep on lying.