FBI looking into crop-duster incident

[jehh]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/645974.asp

Why do I wonder about stories like this...

Normally I don't believe our government keeps secrets from us, they are too big and disoriginized to do a good job at it, but in specific cases like this, imagine the panic that would set in if there was a crop duster flying around dropping Anthrax and no one knew where it was...

Probably not related of course, but creepy anyway...

Jason

 

[StageLeft]

Perfect example of why all ocean-going vessels should have at least one stinger missile at the ready!

 

[jehh]

<< Perfect example of why all ocean-going vessels should have at least one stinger missile at the ready! >>



Bwahahahahahah!!!! LOL

Sigh...

That was funny, thanks, I needed that...

Dammit it, I think we should be allowed to all buy Stinger missiles, this way I can shoot down aircraft that fly near me... Does it matter that I live next to an airport?

Jason

 

[StageLeft]

Hmm. It just occured to me that since the al-queda can undoubtedly get their hands on a few stingers in afghanistan what is to stop them from smuggling them into the US and hanging around at an airport?

 

[jehh]

<< Hmm. It just occured to me that since the al-queda can undoubtedly get their hands on a few stingers in afghanistan what is to stop them from smuggling them into the US and hanging around at an airport? >>



I suggested that very thing here a month ago... No one responded...

I still think it makes sense... But perhaps there are just easier ways to bring down airplanes... However, the media effect would be crazy... Imagine the coverage a shoot down would get...

Jason

 

[hungrypete]

It's hard to hide a Stinger up your ass.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes, but with all the boats coming into the US and the massive border I bet it wouldn't be very hard to do.

 

[jehh]

<< Yes, but with all the boats coming into the US and the massive border I bet it wouldn't be very hard to do. >>



Yea, most of the drugs comming into the US don't come in by person, they come in by container...

2% of all containers are checked, even if the drug guys have terrible luck and 20% of their stuff is captured, they still make a killing...

Jason

 

[StageLeft]

Yep

Go watch the movie the jackal with bruce willis. He smuggled a gatling gun from Canada :Q

 

[Static911]

I must say that gatlin gun was awesome! I wonder if the government will allow me to rig that up as a home defense system. Boy oh boy!


static911

 

[syf3r]

what about instead of a stinger missile it's one of the many suitcase nukes the russians have admitted to losing track of...? about the same size as a stinger... easily smuggled in by cargo ship or across the hundreds of miles of unprotected borders we have...

syf3r.

 

[jehh]

<< Yep

Go watch the movie the jackal with bruce willis. He smuggled a gatling gun from Canada :Q >>



It wasn't a gatling gun, he rejected the M134 GE Electric Mini Gun because he didn't want US equipment... He ended up going with a 14.5mm cannon made by the Ukraine...

Linky to GE M134 Electric Mini-Gun

Jason

 

[Static911]

gatlin gun...minigun...I do wish it was legal to purchase one of these babies.

Home security reason...front door...

static911

 

[syf3r]

jehh:

it's just 'ukraine' not 'the ukraine'...

syf3r.

 

[StageLeft]

Cops should use miniguns in stead of shotguns! Next time you get pulled over for speeding the cop would spend 2 minutes opening his trunk and strapping one around him and walking up to your car.

 

[jehh]

<< gatlin gun...minigun...I do wish it was legal to purchase one of these babies.

Home security reason...front door...

static911 >>



It is legal to buy one...

There are 7 of them (plus or minus one, sources vary) that are legally registered guns that can be bought by anyone with the cash... Last one sold Oct of last year for $135,000... It seems that one is sold every other year as the price goes up, only serious collectors buy guns like this...

FYI, there are a number of legally owned big guns... Even a few cannon, (abit the ammo is hard to get), and they all cost a ton of money... They fall into the catagory, if you have to ask how much, you cannot afford one...

Jason

 

[jehh]

<< jehh:

it's just 'ukraine' not 'the ukraine'...

syf3r. >>



Yea, yea, so I don;t always check speeling... (pun intended)

<darts off from the spelling police...>

 

[GasX]

<<

It wasn't a gatling gun, he rejected the M134 GE Electric Mini Gun because he didn't want US equipment... He ended up going with a 14.5mm cannon made by the Ukraine...

Linky to GE M134 Electric Mini-Gun

Jason >>


Nice link - excerpt:

"p.s. perhaps the best bit of trivia regarding miniguns is that they are manufactured by General Electric - remember those commercials they had, "G.E., we bring good things to life..."

lol

 

[rahvin]

<<Yes, but with all the boats coming into the US and the massive border I bet it wouldn't be very hard to do. >>

Drug runners typically use black high speed boats to run drugs. Those boats cost serious $$$ (the coast guard sinks the ones they catch). Terrorists aren't as well funded or as persistant or as knowledgable as drug runners, and drug runners wouldn't assist someone trying to kill their clientelle. Smuggling a stinger missle into/out of this country would require serious $$$ (more than the 100K the terrorists used, way more) or connections in high level positions. Drug runners can get those connections, I know very few high level people that would help terrorists.

 

[GasX]

Explain the difference between drug runners and Al Qaeda terrorists?

Please include a discussion of the Afghanistan Poppy Farming industry in your reply.

 

[StageLeft]

Terrorists aren't as well funded or as persistant or as knowledgable as drug runners, and drug runners wouldn't assist someone trying to kill their clientelle. Smuggling a stinger missle into/out of this country would require serious $$$ (more than the 100K the terrorists used, way more) or connections in high level positions. Drug runners can get those connections, I know very few high level people that would help terrorists.

Are you forgetting that Al-queda has access to hundreds of millions of dollars? Terrorists are likely to be significantly more persistent, because they will never give up. They won't be pros at smuggling but they have the money and they have the desire.

 

[jehh]

Also, getting stuff into the US isn't really hard, just hide it in a shipment of something else... Since so little of what is shipped into the US is inspected, you stand a good chance of getting it in just fine...

Drugs DO come into the US on those speed boats, but some 80% of the drugs in the US come in via container shipping (according to the DEA anyway)

Jason

 

[jehh]

BTW, guns are smuggled into the US all the time...

Remember the North Hollywood shootout with the pair of guys with the full auto AK-47s? Those were bought from a smuggler who imported several containers of them via Mexico...

Jason

 

[syf3r]

have to agree with skoorb.. .rahvin, you're way off... what you're saying is all assumption.


<< Terrorists aren't as well funded or as persistant or as knowledgable as drug runners >>


there's not a shred of fact there... skoorb is right in saying that they have a network of finance which, as much as the u.s. gov't is going to try, they will never break it completely. and persistence...? in terms of "islamic-time" america has only really been around for a few blinks of an eye... they see things a bit differently.. if it takes them 500 years to carry out this war against us, that's perfectly fine with them... we see things in terms of the short-run and the quick-gain... they see things in terms of the long long long-run... that's persistence like no other...
and as far as them being knowledgeable about drug-running.. ok, well maybe not... but it wouldn't take much to smuggle a suitcase sized package across out borders... i don't know why everyone continues to think that it's such an impossible thing... every single day there are tons and tons of drugs being smuggled into this country, despite our years old war on drugs... and it isn't only drugs... it's cars.. weapons... hell, it's even people.... and you think that if they wanted to smuggle something the size of a suitcase they couldn't do it?

syf3r.

 

[deepcover]

Smuggling a nuke into the US is not as easy as smuggling drugs in cargo containers. Drugs dont give off radioactive energy, visible from space via satelite.