FBI investigating if Trump is a Russian agent

[IronWing]

This is OLD News and nothing new at all.

I'll wait for Mueller's final report rather than overreact to sensational headlines by an obviously biased media channel.

I think that there were many at the FBI that were obviously biased in the extreme and would do nearly anything to throw Trump out of office Comey, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. They have since been fired thank god.

I think if they had anything that remotely indicated Trump was acting along with Russia there would have been some action to remove him from office by now.

You're funny. You'll wait for the report but others should have jumped the gun to remove Trump if there is anything there?

Also, as always, could you provide a shred of evidence that bias drives either the NYT or the FBI investigation?

By the way, I think Trump standing next to Putin and publicly supporting the Russians against the U.S. intelligence services constitutes something well above your purported "anything that remotely indicated Trump was acting along with Russia" standard.

 

[fskimospy]

This is OLD News and nothing new at all.

I'll wait for Mueller's final report rather than overreact to sensational headlines by an obviously biased media channel.

This is not old news, it is completely new. If you think Trump being the target of a counterintelligence investigation for being a Russian asset is old news then please provide a single, solitary news report before this one that says as much.

This headline is not sensational, it is factual. If you believe the NYT is biased that says more about you than it does about the NYT. There’s a reason why it’s one of the most prestigious news sources on the planet after all, their journalism is just that good.

I think that there were many at the FBI that were obviously biased in the extreme and would do nearly anything to throw Trump out of office Comey, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. They have since been fired thank god.

I think if they had anything that remotely indicated Trump was acting along with Russia there would have been some action to remove him from office by now.

Now you clearly know that the accusations against Strzok and Page were lies so why repeat them? After all, there is literally ZERO evidence of them undertaking even a single improper official act.

You’re engaging in classic defensive behavior because you don’t like the facts you’re being presented with. This isn’t a conspiracy by the FBI and the New York Times, this is a president behaving so bizarrely that our intel community thinks he might be compromised.

 

[K1052]

I think that there were many at the FBI that were obviously biased in the extreme and would do nearly anything to throw Trump out of office Comey, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. They have since been fired thank god.

From Trump's fevered mind to your mouth.

 

[pcgeek11]

You're funny. You'll wait for the report but others should have jumped the gun to remove Trump if there is anything there?

Also, as always, could you provide a shred of evidence that bias drives either the NYT or the FBI investigation?

By the way, I think Trump standing next to Putin and publicly supporting the Russians against the U.S. intelligence services constitutes something well above your purported "anything that remotely indicated Trump was acting along with Russia" standard.

What is wrong with waiting for the investigation to be completed?

I didn't say anyone should have " jumped the gun ". I'm saying that IF they had proof that Trump was acting as an agent of Russia they would have taken proper action and removed him from office.

You need to go back in time and read the text messages by Page and Strzok... plenty of evidense of extreme bias.

 

[Ajay]

That’s what’s most amazing to me. The party that backs law enforcement at every opportunity instantly turned against them when law enforcement started enforcing the law against them.

the key is right in your statement, they believe that they personally are being attacked or, that their ideology is. All curtesy of a GOP that manipulated their emotions for several decades.

 

[pcgeek11]

This is not old news, it is completely new. If you think Trump being the target of a counterintelligence investigation for being a Russian asset is old news then please provide a single, solitary news report before this one that says as much.

This headline is not sensational, it is factual. If you believe the NYT is biased that says more about you than it does about the NYT. There’s a reason why it’s one of the most prestigious news sources on the planet after all, their journalism is just that good.



Now you clearly know that the accusations against Strzok and Page were lies so why repeat them? After all, there is literally ZERO evidence of them undertaking even a single improper official act.

You’re engaging in classic defensive behavior because you don’t like the facts you’re being presented with. This isn’t a conspiracy by the FBI and the New York Times, this is a president behaving so bizarrely that our intel community thinks he might be compromised.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-investigating-trumps-links-to-russia/520134/

March 2017 Comey Said:

“I’ve been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey said in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

" Not only did Comey not inform the public about the Trump investigation last year, he didn’t tell senior congressional leaders. Under questioning from GOP Representative Elyse Stefanik of New York, the director said it was his custom to advise a bipartisan group of top lawmakers about “sensitive” investigations on a quarterly basis. But Comey said that because the Russia inquiry was so sensitive, he did not tell either the leadership or senior members of the intelligence committees about the investigation until recently—months after the FBI began its investigation in late July. "

 

[fskimospy]

What is wrong with waiting for the investigation is completed?

I didn't say anyone should have " jumped the gun ". I'm saying that IF they had proof that Trump was acting as an agent of Russia they would have taken proper action and removed him from office.

Who is ‘they’ and what is your basis for this?

You need to go back in time and read the text messages by Page and Strzok... plenty of evidense of extreme bias.

Well then you should have no trouble showing us official acts that he took that showed his bias in action.

As I’ve said many times before this argument that professional misconduct took place because Strzok said mean things about Trump makes zero logical sense. Can you imagine if a mob boss were to present texts where FBI agents said similar things as evidence the investigation against him was improper? They would be laughed out of court. It’s no different here.

 

[fskimospy]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-investigating-trumps-links-to-russia/520134/

March 2017 Comey Said:

“I’ve been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey said in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

" Not only did Comey not inform the public about the Trump investigation last year, he didn’t tell senior congressional leaders. Under questioning from GOP Representative Elyse Stefanik of New York, the director said it was his custom to advise a bipartisan group of top lawmakers about “sensitive” investigations on a quarterly basis. But Comey said that because the Russia inquiry was so sensitive, he did not tell either the leadership or senior members of the intelligence committees about the investigation until recently—months after the FBI began its investigation in late July. "

You clearly did not read either story. The investigation in question here is into Trump himself and not Russian involvement in the election. More importantly it started AFTER Comey was fired, meaning he couldn’t possibly be referencing the same thing as the investigation in question didn’t exist while he was director.

Try again? Also feel free to admit you were wrong.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tabloid stuff to rile up sheep.

Also from the story:

"No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials. An F.B.I. spokeswoman and a spokesman for the special counsel’s office both declined to comment."

Is this investigation closed? It has been years and nothing has come of it.

Someone please do a search and see what Slow said about Uranium

 

[pcgeek11]

Who is ‘they’ and what is your basis for this?



Well then you should have no trouble showing us official acts that he took that showed his bias in action.

As I’ve said many times before this argument that professional misconduct took place because Strzok said mean things about Trump makes zero logical sense. Can you imagine if a mob boss were to present texts where FBI agents said similar things as evidence the investigation against him was improper? They would be laughed out of court. It’s no different here.

They are the Mueller lead investigation team and our Government officials. It would be very stupid to allow a Russian Agent to continue as normal if you have the evidence to have him removed from office. Don't you agree.

Why were Strzok and Page fired?

 

[fskimospy]

In fact, Comey specifically told Trump he was NOT personally under investigation at the time of his firing, as did Rosenstein. Unless your claim is that they were lying to Trump your story makes even less sense l, pcgeek.

 

[K1052]

You clearly did not read either story. The investigation in question here is into Trump himself and not Russian involvement in the election. More importantly it started AFTER Comey was fired, meaning he couldn’t possibly be referencing the same thing as the investigation in question didn’t exist while he was director.

Try again? Also feel free to admit you were wrong.

People who confidently claim that the FBI was biased against Trump that can't understand a simple timeline of events...

 

[fskimospy]

They are the Mueller lead investigation team and our Government officials. It would be very stupid to allow a Russian Agent to continue as normal if you have the evidense to have him removed from office. Don't you agree.

This is a logical fallacy called begging the question. Saying they don’t have evidence to remove him because they haven’t removed him is...illogical.

Why were Strzok and Page fired?

Strzok was not fired for any improper official action, which is what you allege here. If you have evidence otherwise please present it.

 

[Ajay]

Why were Strzok and Page fired?

Because Trump was butt hurt. Let’s be honest here.

 

[pcgeek11]

You clearly did not read either story. The investigation in question here is into Trump himself and not Russian involvement in the election. More importantly it started AFTER Comey was fired, meaning he couldn’t possibly be referencing the same thing as the investigation in question didn’t exist while he was director.

Try again? Also feel free to admit you were wrong.

I will admit I am wrong when I am.

This article was dated March of 2017. In this article Comey is talking about the investigation "last year" which would have been 2016.

" Not only did Comey not inform the public about the Trump investigation last year, he didn’t tell senior congressional leaders."

 

[fskimospy]

People who confidently claim that the FBI was biased against Trump that can't understand a simple timeline of events...

It’s because they don’t even bother to read the story before going into a defensive crouch.

It would be obvious to anyone who read it that Comey could not be testifying as to his actions as director regarding an investigation initiated in part because of his firing as director.

 

[K1052]

This is a logical fallacy called begging the question. Saying they don’t have evidence to remove him because they haven’t removed him is...illogical.



Strzok was not fired for any improper official action, which is what you allege here. If you have evidence otherwise please present it.

Also Paige was not fired.

 

[fskimospy]

I will admit I am wrong when I am.

This article was dated March of 2017. In this article Comey is talking about the investigation "last year" which would have been 2016.

" Not only did Comey not inform the public about the Trump investigation last year, he didn’t tell senior congressional leaders."

How was he testifying about his official acts regarding an investigation that only started after he was fired?

The time to admit you were wrong is now.

 

[pcgeek11]

This is a logical fallacy called begging the question. Saying they don’t have evidence to remove him because they haven’t removed him is...illogical.


Strzok was not fired for any improper official action, which is what you allege here. If you have evidence otherwise please present it.

I disagree. It is common sense to remove a Russian Agent if you have evidence rather than allowing him to continue in office as an agent of Russia. To do anything else is illogical and stupid.

We know why he was removed from the investigation and fired. I never said they had proof of "Improper official action". It was for his extreme bias and lying.

 

[kage69]

Team Treason is going down.

And look at the apologists still trying to downplay it. You people make me sick. You lambast liberals for not 'reading between the lines' or 'following the money,' ad nauseum, yet here you are, trying to run damage control for Putin and his little cyka, unable to bring your tiny fearful minds to address the reality of what is happening.

 

[fskimospy]

I disagree. It is common sense to remove a Russian Agent if you have evidence rather than allowing him to continue in office as an agent of Russia. To do anything else is illogical and stupid.

When you have evidence that the Russian government is attempting to undermine our presidential elections you move to stop them. That is unless you’re Mitch McConnell, at which point you say you will fight any attempt to alert the public of this.
When the FBI is investigating the president for serious criminal activity you don’t selectively declassify sensitive information and then attempt to lie to the American people in an attempt to undermine faith in federal law enforcement. That is unless you’re the Republicans in the House intelligence committee. The idea that Republicans are acting in the best interests of US national security is directly contradicted by their public actions. To say they would suddenly start now is fanciful.

Saying they don’t have what we would consider sufficient evidence to remove him because they haven’t removed him is circular reasoning. You have no idea what they have.

We know why he was removed from the investigation and fired. I never said they had proof of "Improper official action". It was for his extreme bias and lying.

If you can’t point to any improper action he took then your accusations of bias are irrelevant. If he took no improper actions then he did exactly what he was supposed to while investigating Trump.

 

[pcgeek11]

How was he testifying about his official acts regarding an investigation that only started after he was fired?

The time to admit you were wrong is now.

What I am saying is that Trump has been under investigation with respect to Russia for years. There is nothing new about this. This was just a continuing of the ongoing investigation(s) of Trump and Russian ties. I know that it was a newly opened investigation after Comey was fired it says that plainly in the article. That doesn't make it new.

If they do in fact have evidence that Trump is acting for Russia they need to impeach him and prosecute to the fullest extent possible. If found guilty he should get the maximum penalty possible. If they have the evidence now and do nothing but allow him to continue then they are also guilty.

The fluffing continues... I personally will wait for Mueller and not flail about over every biased media breaking news headline.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I will admit I am wrong when I am.

This article was dated March of 2017. In this article Comey is talking about the investigation "last year" which would have been 2016.

" Not only did Comey not inform the public about the Trump investigation last year, he didn’t tell senior congressional leaders."

Good man

When you have evidence that the Russian government is attempting to undermine our presidential elections you move to stop them. That is unless you’re Mitch McConnell, at which point you say you will fight any attempt to alert the public of this.
When the FBI is investigating the president for serious criminal activity you don’t selectively declassify sensitive information and then attempt to lie to the American people in an attempt to undermine faith in federal law enforcement. That is unless you’re the Republicans in the House intelligence committee. The idea that Republicans are acting in the best interests of US national security is directly contradicted by their public actions. To say they would suddenly start now is fanciful.

Saying they don’t have what we would consider sufficient evidence to remove him because they haven’t removed him is circular reasoning. You have no idea what they have.



If you can’t point to any improper action he took then your accusations of bias are irrelevant. If he took no improper actions then he did exactly what he was supposed to while investigating Trump.

Yeah Mitch & Ryan really screwed this up. I understand it’s a odd position to be put in and particularly dangerous for elections.
I wonder if they’d chose a different path if given the choice today.

 

[pcgeek11]

In fact, Comey specifically told Trump he was NOT personally under investigation at the time of his firing, as did Rosenstein. Unless your claim is that they were lying to Trump your story makes even less sense l, pcgeek.

I do think they were both lying.

 

[fskimospy]

I do think they were both lying.

So you are claiming that there was a conspiracy between the currently serving Deputy Attorney general and the director of the FBI to conceal a counterintelligence investigation from the President?

This is some impressive tinfoil hat conspiracy theorizing.