FBI investigating if Trump is a Russian agent

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fskimospy

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In the minds of Trumpsters, If you don't like the President, then you need to be fired.

It's an impressively dumb argument, basically that if you personally dislike someone you can't professionally investigate them.

That means when law enforcement is investigating mob bosses, serial killers, child rapists, etc, they can only investigate them with agents who feel neutral or positively disposed towards child rapists and serial killers. What sort of psychos would you need to hire to fulfill Spidey's ideas on who is allowed to investigate people?
 
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HomerJS

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It's an impressively dumb argument, basically that if you personally dislike someone you can't professionally investigate them.

That means when law enforcement is investigating mob bosses, serial killers, child rapists, etc, they can only investigate them with agents who feel neutral or positively disposed towards child rapists and serial killers. What sort of psychos would you need to hire to fulfill Spidey's ideas on who is allowed to investigate people?
Imagine a judge even entertaining the idea of a mistrial because one of the investigators told a colleague, I can't stand child rapists.
 
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Over this? The only reason it comes up that way is because of two prominent news stories which have emerged in the past 2 days.

You might not recall but the GOP was quite upset over how they were literally pictured when certain terms were entered. The GOP was accusatory and childish as well as willfully ignorant. I don't think that has changed.
 
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Over this? The only reason it comes up that way is because of two prominent news stories which have emerged in the past 2 days.

Insert OldManYellsAtCloud.jpeg

The Facebook session doesn't give me much hope that a lot of them understand "the cyber."

Edit: misquote.
 
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Bitek

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I can't think of anything in US history to compare this to. All Americans should be shocked out of their minds.

In 1973 Richard Nixon declared to the press: "People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. I earned everything I've got."

Turns out he was.

In 2016, Candidate Trump, a known crook with multiple legal judgements against him, declared:
No puppet — you’re the puppet" after Candidate Clinton charged that Putin prefers Trump “because he’d rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

Well, it's not like we weren't warned.

 
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Ignoring your petty insults.

I see you guys do this all the time. You change the argument to being about rights to do something. Of course he has the right to be biased, he has the right to say what he wants about Trump, he has the right to dislike Trump. That is not nor was ever the argument or a point of contention.

But, what is the argument is that this guy has a bone to pick with Trump and obviously isn't capable of objectivity while investigating Trump given his hatred for Trump (which yes, he has the right to hate Trump if he wants). It makes the investigation look tainted and any thinking person should question the motives behind the investigation.

Bone? He can have a fucking skeleton, M'kay? If he wants to talk about his shitty skeleton with his girlfriend, he can do that! If he was a coroner, and he spent his days looking at dead bodies, he could still tell his girlfriend about the shitty skeleton.

You won't get a clue until something you said while you're in bed with a woman comes out and...

Wait.. Nevermind
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html
WASHINGTON — There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Yeah, nothing suspicious about Trump's behavior at all. Just potentially handing a huge gift to Putin, no big deal... /s
 
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If Trump isn't an active Russian asset he's doing an incredible impersonation of one.

The next president should bar basically all Russians (including their families) above a certain level from international travel and start mass confiscation of oligarch wealth/assets. Anybody who gets in our way would receive sanctions. These fuckers have hidden their stolen fortunes in the west so lets take them.
 
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If Trump isn't an active Russian asset he's doing an incredible impersonation of one.

The next president should bar basically all Russians (including their families) above a certain level from international travel and start mass confiscation of oligarch wealth/assets. Anybody who gets in our way would receive sanctions. These fuckers have hidden their stolen fortunes in the west so lets take them.

We could also consider the low level possibility that Trump simply has a hard-on for Vlad. Or maybe percieve him as the father he never had. If Vlad have a psychological attack vector you better be sure he has executed on it. I wouldnt discount unwitting or semi-unwitting ... or straight up masturbation to pictures of Vlad on that horse...
 

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WHY did Trump take such pains to ensure that nobody, including his own senior staff knew anything about what he and Putin spoke about?

Trump habitually operates like a mob boss and a criminal. It's possible that these chats were so banal, so utterly devoid of any intelligence, that exposing them would be too humiliating.

All of Trump's public utterances and tweets are banal and devoid of intelligence, but he pretends that that is his fake persona, that he's play-acting for the "The easily gullible people who are his favorite people." But this excuse wouldn't apply in a one-on-one with Putin. To reveal these chats would reveal the "Emperor" as not only wearing no clothes, but unable even to put on his diapers without help.
 

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Also...We know that Trump prefers to use his own, personal, cell phone, and as far as we know his usage of it- and who he calls or texts on it- isn't tracked. We also know (from his tweets) that Trump is often awake at 3am... which is 11am in Russia.

Couldn't he just be calling or texting Putin directly?

Any competent agent could very easily communicate with the Kremlin, in ways that even the NSA couldn't detect.

Trump is not a competent agent, and his communications with the Kremlin, I would assume..are really easy to detect.

We know Trump admires dictators and has always had a hero crush on Putin. And I think Vlad is still playing hard to get. When Trump does something pro-Russian that he knows is pro-Russian it’s partly out of the hope that Vlad will notice him and say something nice about him. He’s still playing the frumpy schoolgirl to Vlad’s "Big Man On Campus". Putin can probably get more out of Trump by playing this game than he could by acknowledging him as a worthy confederate.
 
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fskimospy

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Also...We know that Trump prefers to use his own, personal, cell phone, and as far as we know his usage of it- and who he calls or texts on it- isn't tracked. We also know (from his tweets) that Trump is often awake at 3am... which is 11am in Russia.

Couldn't he just be calling or texting Putin directly?

Any competent agent could very easily communicate with the Kremlin, in ways that even the NSA couldn't detect.

Trump is not a competent agent, and his communications with the Kremlin, I would assume..are really easy to detect.

We know Trump admires dictators and has always had a hero crush on Putin. And I think Vlad is still playing hard to get. When Trump does something pro-Russian that he knows is pro-Russian it’s partly out of the hope that Vlad will notice him and say something nice about him. He’s still playing the frumpy schoolgirl to Vlad’s "Big Man On Campus". Putin can probably get more out of Trump by playing this game than he could by acknowledging him as a worthy confederate.

I sincerely, sincerely doubt that Trump could communicate with the Kremlin using his private cell phone in a way the NSA could not detect.
 

cytg111

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I sincerely, sincerely doubt that Trump could communicate with the Kremlin using his private cell phone in a way the NSA could not detect.
Someone schooled him on alternative history facts in regards to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan... Actually alot of his remarks on history have been of russian propaganda origins... Maddow has an entire clip on it.
 

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I sincerely, sincerely doubt that Trump could communicate with the Kremlin using his private cell phone in a way the NSA could not detect.

I changed your quote to match how I feel. When it comes to stupid, foolish, or illegal I'm afraid I don't do more than doubt as I feel I can't afford it.
 

PJFrylar

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If Trump isn't an active Russian asset he's doing an incredible impersonation of one.

The next president should bar basically all Russians (including their families) above a certain level from international travel and start mass confiscation of oligarch wealth/assets. Anybody who gets in our way would receive sanctions. These fuckers have hidden their stolen fortunes in the west so lets take them.

Yeah, my sister and I talk about this often. We each had skepticism going in, we both thought he was a terrible person, but a traitor? We both think it is likely now. If he isn't, he is a colossal moron because he sure acts guilty. He sure doesn't act like someone who has nothing to hide.
 

fskimospy

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I changed your quote to match how I feel. When it comes to stupid, foolish, or illegal I'm afraid I don't do more than doubt as I feel I can't afford it.

If the guy who can't even use email and relies on his son for his knowledge of 'the cyber' is able to defeat the NSA we have a big problem.

It could be possible that the NSA CHOOSES not to monitor his phone, I don't know how that all would work, but it's hard to believe they can't.
 

PJFrylar

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If the guy who can't even use email and relies on his son for his knowledge of 'the cyber' is able to defeat the NSA we have a big problem.

It could be possible that the NSA CHOOSES not to monitor his phone, I don't know how that all would work, but it's hard to believe they can't.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ce9fc587c4a7

There is a possibility that this type of communication exists, Trump's own competencies be damned.