FBI charges right-wing soldier with offering bomb tips and targeting liberals, journalists

[JSt0rm]

Sounds like what the Dems have been doing and saying about Trump since 11/9/2016.

Stfu chud.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sounds like what the Dems have been doing and saying about Trump since 11/9/2016.

Liar

 

[Pipeline 1010]

nobody said this. What I asked you about was the idea that you (or anyone)could use the 2a to kill people if you felt oppressed. If the answer to that question is yes then why is it yes? Why did the framers of the constitution frame it that way.

if the answer is no then you agree some regulation is needed.

We have regulation. That's why asshole in this story is going to jail. I don't think any time you get oppressed that we need to run to the extreme of killing people. I think there needs to be discretion and wisdom and for the whackjobs who can't do this: we have jail.

One of the big concerns to our framers is how they felt abused by the British. So much of the constitution was build to prevent abuse from the government. Actually all of it. 2A was supposed to be a last resort in case the other resorts failed.

Please don't misunderstand that I think killing is the 1st or only or best or likely or should be a commonly used option. You and I probably agree more on what a human being should do to protect themselves than you think. I hope I've made it clear that people can't be like "I don't wanna pay muh property taxes so I'm shooting up the city council and it's my right!"

 

[Pipeline 1010]

What you don't seem to understand is that we live in a society where we all must agree and abide by the rules.

What if the rules are evil? It's not like this hasn't happened before. Should there be some kind of alternative in place if the "legal" channels fail? Or is it just tough shit and die?

What you and other gun nutters are advocating for is the ability to ignore such rules whenever you see fit.

I am advocating ignoring rules if there is no other option. We have rules about the number of legal immigrants allowed per year. I bet you don't like those rules and you advocate that people violate them if they need to. I do like the rules. But I PROMISE YOU I'd break the shit out of that rule if it were me in that situation. When it comes down to life and death, oppression or not, you need to make the right choice for you and your family.

As if wanting to protect oneself from a tyrannical government isn't based in fear.

Fear is OK. It is an emotion that we evolved in order to protect us from threats. Can you name any tyrannical governments in the last 100 years that their citizens SHOULD HAVE been afraid of and it would have been OK to be afraid? What is your fixation with "STFU and trust your government?" Our own founders said don't do that.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

You're deflecting. Trump & the NRA are engaging in stochastic terrorism. They know full well that their rhetoric will push susceptible people over the edge but they do it anyway.

Maybe. Is this actually a thing that is measurable and happening? If so then you've got a point that needs to be addressed.

 

[JSt0rm]

We have regulation. That's why asshole in this story is going to jail. I don't think any time you get oppressed that we need to run to the extreme of killing people. I think there needs to be discretion and wisdom and for the whackjobs who can't do this: we have jail.

One of the big concerns to our framers is how they felt abused by the British. So much of the constitution was build to prevent abuse from the government. Actually all of it. 2A was supposed to be a last resort in case the other resorts failed.

Please don't misunderstand that I think killing is the 1st or only or best or likely or should be a commonly used option. You and I probably agree more on what a human being should do to protect themselves than you think. I hope I've made it clear that people can't be like "I don't wanna pay muh property taxes so I'm shooting up the city council and it's my right!"

Do you think the framers decided that it was up to each individual to have the discretion and wisdom to decide when they are oppressed? Or do you think they wanted a well regulated militia that would have that discretion?

 

[ivwshane]

We have regulation. That's why asshole in this story is going to jail. I don't think any time you get oppressed that we need to run to the extreme of killing people. I think there needs to be discretion and wisdom and for the whackjobs who can't do this: we have jail.

One of the big concerns to our framers is how they felt abused by the British. So much of the constitution was build to prevent abuse from the government. Actually all of it. 2A was supposed to be a last resort in case the other resorts failed.

Please don't misunderstand that I think killing is the 1st or only or best or likely or should be a commonly used option. You and I probably agree more on what a human being should do to protect themselves than you think. I hope I've made it clear that people can't be like "I don't wanna pay muh property taxes so I'm shooting up the city council and it's my right!"

Lol the 2nd amendment was so important to the founders that it wasn't part of the original, ratified constitution.

The 2nd was written for the states to protect themselves. If it was about tyranny then it was about the ability of state militias to guard against a federal army which the founding fathers were very weary of (as evidence by the constitution itself and all the requirements regarding a federal army). Militias, being a state controlled military consisting of volunteers, not random unidentified people who happen to have guns.

 

[ivwshane]

What if the rules are evil? It's not like this hasn't happened before. Should there be some kind of alternative in place if the "legal" channels fail? Or is it just tough shit and die?

You've inadvertently proven my argument. We've had "evil" rules in this country before and no insurrection or rebellion was necessary to remove them. Laws were changed at the behest of the people through the Democratic process the founding fathers set up. What you are advocating for is the ability for people to arbitrarily ignore those processes.


I am advocating ignoring rules if there is no other option. We have rules about the number of legal immigrants allowed per year. I bet you don't like those rules and you advocate that people violate them if they need to. I do like the rules. But I PROMISE YOU I'd break the shit out of that rule if it were me in that situation. When it comes down to life and death, oppression or not, you need to make the right choice for you and your family.

Lol when you have to straw man to defend your point you've lost the argument.

Fear is OK. It is an emotion that we evolved in order to protect us from threats. Can you name any tyrannical governments in the last 100 years that their citizens SHOULD HAVE been afraid of and it would have been OK to be afraid? What is your fixation with "STFU and trust your government?" Our own founders said don't do that.

Another straw man. I didn't say trust the government, I said the government is of the people. The point I was making about fear was your hypocrisy of being motivated by fear. Which you've demonstrated yet again. Its funny how you think fear is ok and a necessary evolution to protect ourselves from threats and yet when a vast majority of people are clamoring for their government to protect them, you think the 2nd shouldn't be touched. So how do the people protect themselves from the very thing you claim is designed to protect us from tyranny? Again your interpretation of the 2nd advocates for tyranny as it is now oppressing the people from being able to protect themselves and ensure the general welfare of the country.

My responses in bold.

 

[hal2kilo]

And of course this is all the fault of the liberal socialist commies, Hillary and Obama for antagonizing this poor patriotic soldier's tortured soul. Trump was merely pointing that out to him and his other supporters. /s

We need to stop being so mean. /s

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe. Is this actually a thing that is measurable and happening? If so then you've got a point that needs to be addressed.

It's as obvious as the nose on your face. It's like this-

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIihy5WkAAdXiA?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[JSt0rm]

Pipe got owned. Like every other pro gun retard who pops up. They all run away instead of learning.