FBI Brings Party Van to Anon Houses

[Texashiker]

You know, I'm not even going to argue with you. Apparently you can't differentiate between publishing legally obtained information and knowingly soliciting and publishing illegally obtained information.

Freedom of the press, look it up sometime.

The power belongs to the people, not the government. The government does not have the right to tell the people what can, and what can not be published.

This nation was founded on the press being able to keep an eye on the government. Deal with it.

 

[DrPizza]

They're still gonna get an ass pounding. It's PRISON. Ass-poundings are a way of life there.

I'm friends with a few prison guards. They all say the same thing: what you just said is bullshit. It's a myth perpetuated by folklore. There are plenty of guys in prison who are willing, but after they get out, it's "I've never done that, I'd never do that." Prisoners don't have to go after guys who are unwilling.

 

[SunnyD]

No. Prison sucks & no matter what ignorant people believe, it's not a fucking resort.

Have you been there? Even to a local county jail? How about a state pen? They are completely different from federal pens. Yes, there are cells, bars, etc. But federal pens are the Ritz compared to state/local facilities (though that's not saying much). The types of populations in federal pens is also significantly different from state/local. You're more apt to find white collar and non-violent offenders in federal. Life is a hell of a lot more lax in federal as well, with a lot more opportunity to "better" yourself. Given living life on the street homeless versus federal pen, I'd opt the latter any day of the week.

 

[rasczak]

I'm friends with a few prison guards. They all say the same thing: what you just said is bullshit. It's a myth perpetuated by folklore. There are plenty of guys in prison who are willing, but after they get out, it's "I've never done that, I'd never do that." Prisoners don't have to go after guys who are unwilling.

I don't know about that Dr. P. My cousin (who has has been in and out of prison throughout most of his adult life, and is currently finishing out a 15 year sentence for armed robbery) spoke differently. Then again, I was a 10 y/o kid when he told me about it, so maybe he was trying to scare me onto the good path.

 

[preslove]

Have you been there? Even to a local county jail? How about a state pen? They are completely different from federal pens. Yes, there are cells, bars, etc. But federal pens are the Ritz compared to state/local facilities (though that's not saying much). The types of populations in federal pens is also significantly different from state/local. You're more apt to find white collar and non-violent offenders in federal. Life is a hell of a lot more lax in federal as well, with a lot more opportunity to "better" yourself. Given living life on the street homeless versus federal pen, I'd opt the latter any day of the week.

Anything is better than being street homeless. Is it better than working a low wage job? Hell no. This kid was arrested at a house, not from a cardboard box. His life is about to get a lot shittier.

And federal prisons vary. Some are run like authoritarian summer camps, while others are indistinguishable a state institution. Face it, you said something stupid and are getting called out on it.

 

[SearchMaster]

Part of the problem might be - the kids dont realize how serious their actions are, and they dont think their going to get caught in the real world.

Is it "really" worth DDOS'ing a site, and getting to spend several years in a federal prison in return?

In a couple of weeks everyone is going to forget the site was taken down, but a criminal record stays with you forever.

their != they are

Didn't we just discuss this a day or two ago? 🙂

 

[SunnyD]

Anything is better than being street homeless. Is it better than working a low wage job? Hell no. This kid was arrested at a house, not from a cardboard box. His life is about to get a lot shittier.

And federal prisons vary. Some are run like authoritarian summer camps, while others are indistinguishable a state institution. Face it, you said something stupid and are getting called out on it.

Call out all you want. I've seen first hand what goes on in both systems (with the exception of a federal supermax, which is most definitely NOT where any of these dipshits will end up).

These kids are going to go to a minimum security fed pen if anywhere at all (they'll most likely get a slap on the wrist and an edict that they're not allowed to touch a computer ever again). Personally, 4 squares, room and board, quality fitness facilities, and a free education sounds far more appealing than flipping burgers. There are the ramifications of what happens after the fact, you know, with having a federal felony on your record... but that's beside the point.

 

[Texashiker]

their != they are

Didn't we just discuss this a day or two ago? 🙂

We discussed it yesterday.

Get off my butt grammar nazi. My rear end is still sore from the riding yall gave me yesterday.

 

[preslove]

I'm friends with a few prison guards. They all say the same thing: what you just said is bullshit. It's a myth perpetuated by folklore. There are plenty of guys in prison who are willing, but after they get out, it's "I've never done that, I'd never do that." Prisoners don't have to go after guys who are unwilling.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/12/15/us-federal-statistics-show-widespread-prison-rape

Your friends may work in a nicer, less overcrowded prison (overcrowding leads to all sorts pathologies, like increased gang activity and rape). Or they could just be in denial.

 

[ShawnD1]

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/12/15/us-federal-statistics-show-widespread-prison-rape

Your friends may work in a nicer, less overcrowded prison (overcrowding leads to all sorts pathologies, like increased gang activity and rape). Or they could just be in denial.

Highest stat I've seen so far is 20% rape rate. Most of them say somewhere between 10 and 20%

 

[IceBergSLiM]

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/12/15/us-federal-statistics-show-widespread-prison-rape

Your friends may work in a nicer, less overcrowded prison (overcrowding leads to all sorts pathologies, like increased gang activity and rape). Or they could just be in denial.

I would have to disagree as well. I know someone first hand that went to federal prison for ripping of medicaid or medicare or someshit like that with false claims. He said Rape although a possibility was frowned upon along with any kind of homosexual behavior in his prison. The myth of FPMITA prison is mostly a myth.

 

[ProfJohn]

So, Mastercard and Visa interfering with Julian Assange's life and money is bad, which triggered the hackers' attacks on those sites? They are being sued for lawbreaking.

So Visa and Mastercard should assist Assange in violating federal laws?

 

[ichy]

I would have to disagree as well. I know someone first hand that went to federal prison for ripping of medicaid or medicare or someshit like that with false claims. He said Rape although a possibility was frowned upon along with any kind of homosexual behavior in his prison. The myth of FPMITA prison is mostly a myth.

It sounds like the you know committed a white collar crime, which means he almost certainly ended up in a minimum security prison with other fraudsters, tax cheats and non-violent criminals. "Federal prison" can range from facilities like that to hell-holes like Lewisburg, Marion or the Atlanta federal pen. Huge, huge difference.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It sounds like the you know committed a white collar crime, which means he almost certainly ended up in a minimum security prison with other fraudsters, tax cheats and non-violent criminals. "Federal prison" can range from facilities like that to hell-holes like Lewisburg, Marion or the Atlanta federal pen. Huge, huge difference.

The higher security the prison the more difficult it becomes, max security prisons inmates are locked down 23 hours a day. All there movement is controlled and monitored.

 

[preslove]

dp

 

[preslove]

I would have to disagree as well. I know someone first hand that went to federal prison for ripping of medicaid or medicare or someshit like that with false claims. He said Rape although a possibility was frowned upon along with any kind of homosexual behavior in his prison. The myth of FPMITA prison is mostly a myth.

"FPMITA" is just a line from Office Space. Rape is much more prevalent in state prisons and county jails. Federal prisons aren't overcrowded, so there really is not much sexual assault, at all. But, to call them resorts is just dumb hyperbole.

Overcrowding is the real culprit. It causes the prisoners to compete for dominance of one another & rape is all about demonstrating dominance.

 

[Texashiker]

Whether the kids get butt raped or not, they probably do not understand what their getting themselves into.

 

[SunnyD]

But, to call them resorts is just dumb hyperbole.

Compared to medium security on up state pens? yeah... they're resorts.

Whether the kids get butt raped or not, they probably do not understand what their getting themselves into.

This is true. As I said, the long term ramifications are something they just haven't wrapped their heads around, nor are capable of. But after all, they're just in it for the lulz.

 

[preslove]

Compared to medium security on up state pens? yeah... they're resorts.

Compared to life outside? No, they aren't.

 

[Texashiker]

This is true. As I said, the long term ramifications are something they just haven't wrapped their heads around, nor are capable of. But after all, they're just in it for the lulz.

After not understanding what they have done, my next question would be "they dont have anything else better to do?"

How does hacking or DDOS'ing a website that could land someone in jail, compare to going to see a movie, go fishing,,,,, any other real life activities?

Have our youth become so disconnected from real life, that their lives revolve around a cyber world, instead of the real world?

 

[Jeff7]

Behind 7 proxies? Apparently not.

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Yea, along with the constant threat of ass pounding. Smart they are. 😛

Get enough of them in there, and it's just a big 4chan prison.


...which may actually be worse than a prison filled with violent convicts.

SAGE

 

[OCGuy]

That is On top of all of that Julian Assange was not in even in the USA when he posted the content to wikileaks. So does the US government even have anything to stand on.

You don't have to be in the US commiting crimes to be prosecuted in the US. Ask Noriega.

 

[SunnyD]

Compared to life outside? No, they aren't.

Give it a few more years the way our government is heading...

Have our youth become so disconnected from real life, that their lives revolve around a cyber world, instead of the real world?

Posting this, here of all places, you have to ask this question? (Here's a hint, the answer is a resounding "YES".)

For example, my kids... yep... MY kids. I practically have to FORCE them to go outside and play. Once outside, no more than 5 minutes later, one pops their head in the door and asks, "Can we come in now?" This happens repeatedly.

Then there's always "There's nothing to do out here." What? You mean the garage filled with bicycles, scooters, balls, and other various toys constitutes "nothing to do"? Why do we have all the shit then? Or perhaps the 70 or so acres of scrub, farm and woodlands behind the house? Or maybe the dog that would love to be let out and chase a ball down? Or maybe even a walk around the block?

"Can I take my DS outside?"

Why, again, do you feel the need at the age of 12 to have a cellphone... no, a SMARTPHONE? Really? I don't think so kid.

Enough said.

 

[Texashiker]

You don't have to be in the US commiting crimes to be prosecuted in the US. Ask Noriega.

That is what happens when you refuse to be the puppet of the CIA.

Also, there is a difference between illegal drugs, and freedom of speech.

For example, my kids... yep... MY kids. I practically have to FORCE them to go outside and play. Once outside, no more than 5 minutes later, one pops their head in the door and asks, "Can we come in now?" This happens repeatedly.
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Sounds like my kids when they were younger. Now that they are in they're in their teens we go camping, hiking, and fishing on a semi-regular basis.

 

[Craig234]

And I suspect that those suits will lose. Wikileaks was openly breaking US law.

Oh, really?

Which, law, specifically, did they break? Be ready to supply evidence for your allegation.

What has Wikileaks or Assange ever been charged with by the US for this lawbreaking?

Visa and Mastercard then cut off the ability of people to use their services to transfer Wikileaks money. I'd bet that Visa and Mastercard have clauses in their agreements for their services that gives them the right to withdraw their services if the money is being used to support something illegal.

Not so much for things that are not illegal.