Faux debacle

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

2: She hasn't come out and clarified what she meant or even addressed it. They are just letting us interpret this as we may which is not a good idea and it is only going to give Hillary and McCain ammo against her and him. Just go on a softball show and say "hey I meant this is the most proud moment of my life in my country because we are taking great strides to overcome racism and sexism in the United States" and everyone would fawn over here and its done.

But they aren't addressing it so it will be baggage.

Asked for a response to the remark, Obama campaign spox Bill Burton said, ?Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn?t be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she?s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who?ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change."
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The campaign spokespeople handle this stuff. You don't personally dignify challenges to your patriotism with serious responses, it only encourages debate on the issue of your patriotism.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Asked for a response to the remark, Obama campaign spox Bill Burton said, ?Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn?t be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she?s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who?ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change."
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The campaign spokespeople handle this stuff. You don't personally dignify challenges to your patriotism with serious responses, it only encourages debate on the issue of your patriotism.

Umm, no it doesn't.

Look I like the Obama's and he's the very first candidate in a long time that I can say that I disagree with most of the time and still have no problem with him being my president just because he's a fucking cool guy. In other words I'd like him as a person to be president not I'd like him to be president because he would help me personally.

I like the man and don't know anything about his wife and haven't paid any attention to her so I have no feelings towards her at all.

However, what she said was rehearsed and scripted thus its exactly what she meant to say and it doesn't sound very good and that's the reason it bothers me.

A whole lot of people on the left get their jollies off talking about how bad of a country they live in and how fascist, racist, sexist, and blood thirsty we are and I have often accredited that to the fact that Bush is our president and they are spreading the hate from the pres to the country which is wrong but given their level of hate understandable.


When she made that remark I know a lot of those same libs were cheering saying "finally someone realizes how fucked up, mean, racist, etc we are" which if that was her intent REALLY would be an issue against the Obamas for me.

She could go on any show in the world including the freakin Oprah show if she wanted, script every question, and score even more points with everyone if she personally would just go out and explain what she meant.


As it stands now as far as I'm concerned if she can't do that then there is a problem because as is evident it was scripted so she meant to say it and she obviously doesn't want to or feel the need to retract it.

That is an issue with a lot of people believe me.

 

[jonks]

"What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud. And I feel privileged to be a part of even witnessing this, traveling around states all over this country and being reminded that there is more that unites us than divides us..."

This is not controversial stuff. Taken out of context though...

"I'm really...hungry for...frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry...and it's made me proud...I feel privileged to...divide[] us..."

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
Look I think what Mrs. Obama said was pretty stupid of her to say. The one thing the Obama camp has done has been to run a generally clean and mistake free campaign this entire time which was/is a good thing but I must say what she said does alarm me for 2 reasons:

1: It wasn't an off the cuff remark. It was an actual speech which means that the staffers and advisers read it and they all had no problem with her saying the words "this is the first time in my adult life that I've been proud of my country." She has been an adult for a long time and the US has done a whole lot of good in the world since she's been an adult.

2: She hasn't come out and clarified what she meant or even addressed it. They are just letting us interpret this as we may which is not a good idea and it is only going to give Hillary and McCain ammo against her and him. Just go on a softball show and say "hey I meant this is the most proud moment of my life in my country because we are taking great strides to overcome racism and sexism in the United States" and everyone would fawn over here and its done.

But they aren't addressing it so it will be baggage.

Didn't she say, '...for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country'? You can say it's semantics but IMO that word does make a difference - especially if it's going to be so closely nit-picked, analyzed, and blown out of proportion. That said, why leave it out?

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
"and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.

Not the Berlin wall falling and liberation of eastern Europe.
Not the billions upon billions in aid that we give out.
Not the liberation of Kuwait.
Not our efforts to stop genocide and poverty in the world.
Not any of our contributions to science, medicine, culture, the arts.

She is 44 years old so in 1982 she was an adult.

Are you telling me that since then the country hasn't done anything that she could be proud of?


It may sound like nitpicking but honestly they have great political advisers in the Obama camp and they have obvious read this speech before they let her speak it in front of the world. Are you really telling me that they are so inept that they wouldn't attempt to change "for the first time in my adult lifetime" to "this is one of the proudest" or "this is the proudest" or anything other than what she stated?

Seriously, its not that big of a deal if they would just let her address it.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
It may sound like nitpicking but honestly they have great political advisers in the Obama camp and they have obvious read this speech before they let her speak it in front of the world. Are you really telling me that they are so inept that they wouldn't attempt to change "for the first time in my adult lifetime" to "this is one of the proudest" or "this is the proudest" or anything other than what she stated?

Seriously, its not that big of a deal if they would just let her address it.

I think you may be jumping the gun assuming this is a prepared speech. Here's the vid:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html

Her eyes are roaming the crowd and her voice has that "live" sound, as opposed to the "I'm reading something" sound. I don't know that the advisors poured over this the way you think they did. Might have been an off the cuff comment.

The applause the line gets is pretty thin btw.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: sirjonk
"and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.

Not the Berlin wall falling and liberation of eastern Europe.
Not the billions upon billions in aid that we give out.
Not the liberation of Kuwait.
Not our efforts to stop genocide and poverty in the world.
Not any of our contributions to science, medicine, culture, the arts.

She is 44 years old so in 1982 she was an adult.

Are you telling me that since then the country hasn't done anything that she could be proud of?


It may sound like nitpicking but honestly they have great political advisers in the Obama camp and they have obvious read this speech before they let her speak it in front of the world. Are you really telling me that they are so inept that they wouldn't attempt to change "for the first time in my adult lifetime" to "this is one of the proudest" or "this is the proudest" or anything other than what she stated?

Seriously, its not that big of a deal if they would just let her address it.

I think sirjonk already answered this above... 'The campaign spokespeople handle this stuff. You don't personally dignify challenges to your patriotism with serious responses, it only encourages debate on the issue of your patriotism.'