Faulty cooler, or just unlucky?

[remoteman213]

Hi everyone,


OK so I think I may have a problem with my system somewhere. My specs are:

• FX-8320 @ 4.3GHz
• Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 1.0
• 8GB Gskill Ripjaws
• Cooler Master Hyper 212+
• Thermaltake 750W EVO BLUE

I've got the 8320 oc'd to 4.3Ghz and at 1.33v but my temps still get up to 80c after 30 min of prime95. I've tried reseating my cooler and fresh thermal paste but still the same, just takes it a bit longer to reach those temps.

Could it be a faulty cooler? I had similar problems with my 955, where with stock volts and a light OC to 3.6ghz, i was still getting up to 60c.

Also the voltage set in the BIOS is +0.050v and it says 1.365v, but the BIOS hardware monitor, cpu-z and hwmonitor all read 1.28v and 1.328v at load. Am I correct in assuming that this is the true voltage?

Idle temps are low-mid 30s (without cool n quiet) and ambient is low 20s. So that means I have a delta temp from idle to load of almost 50 degrees! This can't be normal, is there anyway to test if my cooler is working properly. All the fans spin and everything seems fine, but when I touch the heatsink, it feels only slightly warm, even though the cpu is over 80. Is this normal?

If it is a faulty cooler, I think that the Noctua d14 is a worthy upgrade. Thoughts?

Sorry for the huge post and thanks!

 

[adnank77]

One thing comes to my mind : Thermal Paste !

Are you getting this right in terms of quantity and spreading ?

 

[remoteman213]

Pics of the cpu and heatsink after application of TIM. I used the ricegrain method

 

[Rvenger]

I am thinking your Hyper 212+ can't handle the amount of watts generated by the FX-8320 @ 4.3ghz. I would try adding another fan or going for a bigger cooler. That is an excellent thermal paste spread on the pictures above btw. The Noctua D14 would work perfect but I will also recommend the Phanteks PH-TC14PE

 

[adnank77]

Agree with Rvenger .. Your paste/spreading doesn't seem to be the cause .. Try another cooler (or go to all-in-one water)

 

[KingFatty]

Is it possible your computer case is somehow limiting the airflow to the CPU cooler? Maybe try to check for sufficient case airflow, or bring in auxiliary fan cooling to make sure the CPU heatsink is receiving lots of fresh air?

 

[BigChickenJim]

Out of curiosity, have you tried using a different monitoring software to verify the temperatures? If I remember correctly, both CPU-Z and HWMonitor are made by the same group and thus likely use the same calculation methods. It's possible that those calculations are causing an issue due to AMD's somewhat funky temperature reporting methods. That kind of idle/load difference isn't normal and I don't those kinds of temperatures should be happening at such low voltages.

Try running HWInfo64 and see if it reports the same temperatures.

 

[Face2Face]

80c on a FX 8320 The Hyper 212+ should handle that clock speed perfectly fine and the same with your older Phenom II.

I don't think your cooler is making good contact - I would re-read the instructions and make sure you are installing it correctly (No offense) It could be something very simple.


Also - Check your temps with CoreTemp or Real Temp

 

[Rvenger]

80c on a FX 8320 The Hyper 212+ should handle that clock speed perfectly fine and the same with your older Phenom II.

I don't think your cooler is making good contact - I would re-read the instructions and make sure you are installing it correctly (No offense) It could be something very simple.


Also - Check your temps with CoreTemp or Real Temp

??? Look at his coverage above, the spread is about 85% across the IHS and I can see the impression of all 4 heatpipes. He is clearly having an airflow issue with his case or he has a very leaky chip that the HSF cannot keep up with the heat dissipation.

The Hyper 212+ has a smaller contact base than the Hyper 212 EVO..

 

[Face2Face]

??? Look at his coverage above, the spread is about 85% across the IHS and I can see the impression of all 4 heatpipes. He is clearly having an airflow issue with his case or he has a very leaky chip that the HSF cannot keep up with the heat dissipation.

The Hyper 212+ has a smaller contact base than the Hyper 212 EVO..

Good point -

Maybe there is more to it then meets the eye?

The thing that gets me if the fact his 955 would get that hot 60c @ 3.6Ghz with stock voltage with the same cooler. I had the same cooler with my old phenom II @ 4.0Ghz with 1.4v and it never hit 60c.

Maybe OP can take a pic of his entire setup and let us see if he is getting sufficient air flow to the CPU.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Ensure that the cooler is well positioned to make proper contact. That cooler is enough to keep an FX at fairly low temps. Post a pic of the entire system.

 

[remoteman213]

Ok so I completeley disassembled my PC and cleaned every component out (except HDDs and ODDs), reassembled it and used new thermal paste after cleaning of the old stuff and now my temps load at 69c after 20 min of OCCT :/. HWMonitor also reported the same temps.

It's 10c cooler, but still too high for my liking. Also I made a mistake before, the load voltage is actually 1.33v.

Does anything seem wrong? The heat sink on the motherboard to the left of the CPU (mosfet heatsink) feels really hot once I shutdown after running a stress test.

Also, even with both side doors off, cpu still reaches 65.

 

[Durvelle27]

I am thinking your Hyper 212+ can't handle the amount of watts generated by the FX-8320 @ 4.3ghz. I would try adding another fan or going for a bigger cooler. That is an excellent thermal paste spread on the pictures above btw. The Noctua D14 would work perfect but I will also recommend the Phanteks PH-TC14PE

This is not true. I have an FX 8320 and had an Hyper 212+ and was able to do 4.4GHz and kept it under 60c. Thermal paste looks very thin. What paste are using the one included with the cooler or an aftermarket one. Whats the room ambient temp and have you tried Push/Pull config

 

[jacktesterson]

I have mine at 4.7 GHz and reach nowhere near those temps.

One of my FX-4300 Builds I sold ran at 5.0 GHz on a Artic Freezer Rev 2.

 

[Face2Face]

I am going to say it's a defective cooler OR it's still not mounted correctly.

 

[Rvenger]

This is not true. I have an FX 8320 and had an Hyper 212+ and was able to do 4.4GHz and kept it under 60c. Thermal paste looks very thin. What paste are using the one included with the cooler or an aftermarket one. Whats the room ambient temp and have you tried Push/Pull config

My FX-8150 had no problems with temps exceeding 70c with a Hyper 212+. If you are overclocking your CPU and you already have a leaky chip. Yes, it icould be thermally limited, especially on a single fan setup with 1 blademaster. Caking thermal paste on the CPU will act as an insulator so having it spread as thin is possible is the correct method of applying thermal paste.


Face2Face could be correct, it could just be a bad cooler as well where the heatpipes are too recessed on the contact plate.

 

[Gikaseixas]

from the pics i can see that you have a good case with an intake(ft) and exhaust(bk) fans. Check and ensure the heatsink is properly installed. Even the most experienced DIY guys can mess up along the way. Also, try push-pull by adding another fan to the cooler.

 

[KingFatty]

During operation, does the heatsink feel warm, like it's pulling heat off the CPU and getting itself warmed up?

Maybe you happen to have a freak heatsink where there is no fluid in any of the copper tubes so they can't pull heat as efficiently? If there is something preventing heat from being pulled out of the chip efficiently, that should make the heatsink feel relatively cooler. I guess there is a chance the heatsink can be 'faulty' in a way that is not visible if during construction they forgot to fill the heatpipes with fluid. But you seem to have it installed correctly with the correct amount of thermal paste so I dunno it's a head-scratcher.

 

[remoteman213]

Ok, so I ended up getting a Noctua D14 and had to order a stock AMD backplate from Noctua (they sent it out for free and everything ). It arrived today so I installed it.

I'm pretty happy with the results. With the same settings as before, I got 47c at load :ninja:

I put the voltage up to 1.41 (approx 0.1v higher) and the frequency up to 4.6 ghz.

Stable for an hour and didn't even hit 60c! :awe:

How high should I take this temperature wise?

 

[myocardia]

I personally wouldn't put my voltage any higher, and would likely drop it down to around 1.35-1.37v, for long-term use. That's a very nice temp reduction, though. Congrats. We don't see all that many 8320's around here doing 4.6 Ghz. Also, were you aware that the cooler your processor is running, the less voltage it requires to do so? You could most likely stay at 4.6 Ghz, and lower your vcore a bit, I'm guessing.

 

[AtenRa]

@ remoteman213

Just asking, have you disabled Turbo in BIOS ??

 

[remoteman213]

yeah turbo is disabled, and so are all the power saving options except for cool n quiet.

 

[sm625]

Yikes... so the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is bad, but has no visible signs to indicate it is bad?

 

[guskline]

Is the CM Hyper 212+ bad? For the price, no. Is it able to cool like a Noctua D14? NO!!

I am hardly an expert on Bulldozer and Piledriver chips but I have owned a FX 8150 and now a FX 8320 and FX8350. I've owned a Hyper212+ and Hyper212 Evo

I also owned a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 1.0 mb. I prefer Asus Sabertooth FX 990 mbs for OCing. Probably just me but they seem to be better OCs.

The FX8150 produced a lot of heat when OC'd. The FX 8320 and 8350 are better BUT when you crank them up, and running a 8320 from 3.5 stock to 4.3 Ghz, is cranking it up. To run stable I upped the vcore to 1.42. I use a Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme so cooling is not a problem. Running a Hyper212+ with a single fan probably just isn't enough. Heat build up takes over.

Your Noctua D14 is a premium cooler that will serve you well. I keep my 8320 at 4.3Ghz(21.5x200) and my 8350 at 4.6ghz(21 x 219). Ater tons of stability testing those parameters work best.

Bottom line? Even the PileDrivers crank out heat when OC'd. At a very leat I would use a push/pull fan setup with the Hyoer212+.