• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Father tests schools security by saying he's a gunman.

techs

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...-threats-testing-school-safety-160251551.html

Dad charged with making terroristic threats after testing school’s safety system

North Texas father’s attempt to test the safety response of his child’s school had an unintended consequence—for the father. After walking into the school saying he was a gunman, the unarmed Ron Miller has been charged with making "terroristic threats" at Celina Elementary School.

According to Celina school district superintendent Donny O'Dell, Miller approached a greeter at the school and told her: “I am a gunman. My target is inside of the building. I'm going in the building. You stop me." Added O’Dell to local news station WFAA: “They recognized, at that point, that he did not have a weapon and they were able to go ahead and tell him to leave."

The school’s principal chose not to call 911, instead dialing a nonemergency number, because the 44-year-old Miller, a paramedic, was immediately recognized as a parent and school volunteer.

After Miller left, there was no lockdown and no threat to kids’ safety, according to O’Dell, who also admitted that they did find some problems with their safety response. For one, the greeter had no radio to contact the police.

Said O’Dell, “We found some glitches … some things we need to work on. Of course, none of this ever takes place when you expect it to, so human response to certain situations is not always perfect because we're not perfect."




W-T-F??? There is stupid and there is stupid. What comes after that?
 
hey it worked didnt it? they found some areas for improvement.

lol too bad dumbass will now spend all of his kids college money on legal fees.
 
The way he went about it is certainly stupid, but his action did expose some issues that the school can resolve (the greeter not having a radio for example). That guy is not the brightest bulb in the bunch, that's for sure.
 
I try to sneak bombs onto planes all the time to expose flaws in TSA's security procedures. When I get caught I just tell them that's what I'm doing, and they are very understanding and appreciative of my efforts.
 
He should have contacted the superintendent or principal to get permission and they still could have kept the rest of the faculty in the dark so everyone could gauge responses.
 
jagec said:
I try to sneak bombs onto planes all the time to expose flaws in TSA's security procedures. When I get caught I just tell them that's what I'm doing, and they are very understanding and appreciative of my efforts.
Click to expand...

I sit around smoking crack because I am testing my police departments ability to find and arrest me.
 
benzylic said:
He should have contacted the superintendent or principal to get permission and they still could have kept the rest of the faculty in the dark so everyone could gauge responses.
Click to expand...

Right. But they would never give him permission to do that.

Drills like this need to be run by people of authority in the schools. Faculty/Staff at the school need to know how to respond to situations like this (regardless of whether it's a drill or a real threat).

The guy made his point, and, in my opinion, his charges should be dropped or reduced significantly.
 
seepy83 said:
The guy made his point, and, in my opinion, his charges should be dropped or reduced significantly.
Click to expand...

I think the guy needs go to jail for ten years. What if an armed teacher had overheard the conversation? The potential for a deadly accident was there. Or even if the school employee had tried to physically attack the terrorist? Kids could have gotten injured. Or there could have been a panic and kids could have gotten injured.

No, what the guy did was a serious crime. Stupidity is an explanation not an excuse.
 
That whole community sounds like a bunch of idiots from the video. The parents are now upset because the guy made it into the school office, pointed his finger at two people and said "you're dead."

How could you possibly stop a person from entering a school armed without having prison level security in place to search and clear every person entering the campus. The school would have to be on full lock down 24/7 to make it 100% safe.

Idiot parents wanting guarantees that their little angle will always be 100% safe in life. I can't believe we allow these people to vote.
 
Last edited:
techs said:
I think the guy needs go to jail for ten years. What if an armed teacher had overheard the conversation? The potential for a deadly accident was there. Or even if the school employee had tried to physically attack the terrorist? Kids could have gotten injured. Or there could have been a panic and kids could have gotten injured.

No, what the guy did was a serious crime. Stupidity is an explanation not an excuse.
Click to expand...

The article says that he's a father of a student and volunteer at the school, right? If he works at the school, then he was probably very aware that none of the teachers were armed, and that no one in the school was adequately trained or prepared to respond to a threat. Based on the article, it looks to me like he was trying to prove that, and nothing more.

I understand that society can't allow for people to go around making random threats, but his intentions seem perfectly fine to me.
 
seepy83 said:
The article says that he's a father of a student and volunteer at the school, right? If he works at the school, then he was probably very aware that none of the teachers were armed, and that no one in the school was adequately trained or prepared to respond to a threat. Based on the article, it looks to me like he was trying to prove that, and nothing more.

I understand that society can't allow for people to go around making random threats, but his intentions seem perfectly fine to me.
Click to expand...



Uh, he couldn't know every teacher was unarmed. Maybe that was the first day some teacher decided to bring in a gun. The story says he is a paramedic. Not exactly trained for what he was doing, was he?

And if he had concerns about security why didn't he bring it up with the principal or through any other legitimate means.

No, this guy shouldn't be allowed to be on the premises of a school again, ever.
That is after he spends ten years in jail.

The idea "he meant well" is pretty much covered by the previous poster who suggested testing airport security by saying you have a bomb.
 
techs said:
I think the guy needs go to jail for ten years. What if an armed teacher had overheard the conversation? The potential for a deadly accident was there. Or even if the school employee had tried to physically attack the terrorist? Kids could have gotten injured. Or there could have been a panic and kids could have gotten injured.

No, what the guy did was a serious crime. Stupidity is an explanation not an excuse.
Click to expand...

"Armed teacher?" LOL! I wish. He demonstrated the need for armed teachers. Instead, the weapons-free zone applies to teachers AND police on school grounds. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Now everyone knows that schools are the places to shoot up for maximum emotional response and body count before a retaliatory weapon arrives. It will remain that way until we allow faculty to carry arms or put armed guards at every school. Which is more likely to happen?
 
techs said:
Uh, he couldn't know every teacher was unarmed. Maybe that was the first day some teacher decided to bring in a gun. The story says he is a paramedic. Not exactly trained for what he was doing, was he?
...
Click to expand...

Yes he could. That's the point of a random non-retaliatory school shooting. Almost any school is a gun-free zone and that applies to teachers and faculty. It doesn't apply to law-breaking murderers who trespass.

HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THIS?!
 
CZroe said:
"Armed teacher?" LOL! I wish. He demonstrated the need for armed teachers. Instead, the weapons-free zone applies to teachers AND police on school grounds. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Now everyone knows that schools are the places to shoot up for maximum emotional response and body count before a retaliatory weapon arrives. It will remain that way until we allow faculty to carry arms or put armed guards at every school. Which is more likely to happen?
Click to expand...

Yeah, like there aren't teachers who are packing despite the rules?
Maybe some teacher brought in a gun to test the security?
 
CZroe said:
In other words, you expect someone in every school to be just as stupid as this man?
Click to expand...

I expect that there are people everywhere who read and watch right wing news that basically says if you don't carry a gun the terrorists win.
 
techs said:
Uh, he couldn't know every teacher was unarmed. Maybe that was the first day some teacher decided to bring in a gun. The story says he is a paramedic. Not exactly trained for what he was doing, was he?

And if he had concerns about security why didn't he bring it up with the principal or through any other legitimate means.

No, this guy shouldn't be allowed to be on the premises of a school again, ever.
That is after he spends ten years in jail.

The idea "he meant well" is pretty much covered by the previous poster who suggested testing airport security by saying you have a bomb.
Click to expand...

How do you know he didn't already bring it up with the principal and it fell on deaf ears?

This really can't be compared to airport security. Airports are already secured by professionals. The effectiveness of that security might be questionable, but there is a significant amount of security in place. Schools, on the other hand, are very seldom secured by professionals, and I suspect his intentions were to bring to light the shortfalls of the security that had been put in place.

We can agree to disagree on this one, because I'm not interested in wasting a whole lot of time debating it.
 
seepy83 said:
We can agree to disagree on this one, because I'm not interested in wasting a whole lot of time debating it.
Click to expand...

On this one I don't think there is any real room for debate.
What the guy did was 100 percent wrong. Not even a one percent wiggle room.
 
techs said:
I think the guy needs go to jail for ten years. What if an armed teacher had overheard the conversation? The potential for a deadly accident was there. Or even if the school employee had tried to physically attack the terrorist? Kids could have gotten injured. Or there could have been a panic and kids could have gotten injured.

No, what the guy did was a serious crime. Stupidity is an explanation not an excuse.
Click to expand...

Not sure if serious😕

What exactly is the charge for him? What he did was incredibly stupid but definitely not worth 10 years
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top