Father No Longer Out for Revenge in Iraq

[Don Vito Corleone]

From Yahoo!-AP:

AL-ASAD, Iraq - In the desert chill, on the lonely nighttime roads of Iraq, Joe Johnson looks out over his machine gun and thinks of Justin. It was on Easter morning 2004 that a chaplain and a colonel appeared on Joe and Jan Johnson's Georgia doorstep with the news. Justin, the boy Joe had fished and hunted with, the soldier son who'd gone off to Iraq a month earlier, was suddenly dead at 22, killed by a roadside bomb planted in a Baghdad slum.

Today it's Joe who mans the M-240 atop a Humvee, warily watching the sides of the road, an unlikely Army corporal at 48, a father who came here for revenge, a Christian missionary on a crusade against Islam, and a man who, after six months at war, is ready to go home.

"I shouldn't even have come," he now says. And if he leaves bloody Iraq with no blood on his hands, he says, that's fine, too.

. . .


Why did he do it? The wiry lean Georgian, an easy-talking man with a boyish, sunburned face, tried to answer the question that won't go away.

"It's a lot of things combined," he said. "One, a sense of duty. I was pissed off at the terrorists for 9/11 and other atrocities. Second, I'd only trained. I wanted combat." And then, he said, "there's some revenge involved. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't."

But there was more on the mind of this man who has done Church of God missionary work as far afield as Peru and the Arctic.

"I don't really have love for Muslim people," Johnson said. "I'm sure there are good Muslims. I try not to be racist." Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

This is a sad story IMO, and I'm not going to pick on this guy (though I think it's a little troubling that a man of the cloth has such dislike for another faith about which he appears to know nothing).

That being said, I think it's a good example (and there are endless numbers of such stories) of the fact that it is unwise to make major life decisions without thinking things through. I myself am a veteran, and in general have the highest regard for people who serve, but I have known more than a few who joined up for the wrong reasons, and it's a particularly bad idea when people join specifically knowing they'll be put in harm's way for foolish reasons.

I hope he makes it home safe in any case. A 48-year-old infantryman sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Yahoo!-AP:
Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

That kind of misconception seems to be very prevalent in average Americans

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: lozina

That kind of misconception seems to be very prevalent in average Americans

It's certainly advantageous for neoconservatives to push this concept, just as it behooves them to argue that Muslims hate America for our way of life, rather than for our military presence in their Holy Land.

I think to a large extent Islam suffers from the fact that it hasn't gone through anything like a Reformation - it is still substantially led by a lunatic fringe, and they perpetuate Islam's most negative and destructive precepts. In that respect, there clearly are at least some Muslims who do hate Jews and infidels, though I don't see that as representative of the faith as a whole.

In any case, you'd think a missionary would have a deeper understanding of these kinds of concepts (am I just being naive?).

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: DonVito

Yahoo!-AP:
Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

That kind of misconception seems to be very prevalent in average Americans

what do you expect when our nation is slowly becoming the most illiterate nation in the industrialized world. Americans are being educated by reality TV.

anyways, I respect the man for his convictions, but obviously what he was doing was for nothing. killing a bunch of people is not going to bring his son back, but it certainly would havel given him many sleepless and terrible nights of sleep for the rest of his life, without meds of course

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope he makes it home safe in any case. A 48-year-old infantryman sounds like a recipe for disaster.

you dont know how right you are... trust me, the National Guard and Reserves are FULL of 40+ low-ranking enlisted grunts!

During my last tour, my squad had a 45-year-old E5 teamleader! We had a few age 45+ grunts in the battalion as well; and we even had a father-son pair in my Company...

The sad part: most of the older grunts were next to useless.

at 32, I recently left the infantry behind for what I see as a more rewarding and challenging line of work. But some never do leave or move on; or rank up for that matter!

scary eh? ya...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: DonVito

Yahoo!-AP:
Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."
. . .

That kind of misconception seems to be very prevalent in average Americans

truth be told, his belief is not very far from what the Quran actually does say, and you know it. It's all about the interpretations of each individual Imam that make it moreso or less in their teaching...

And before you assume otherwise, I've read the entire Quran, several times; and study its passages and various interpretations on pretty much a daily basis.

 

[kylebisme]

Could you please post whatever quote from the book you feel most clearly demonstrates your claim?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

And before you assume otherwise, I've read the entire Quran, several times; and study its passages and various interpretations on pretty much a daily basis.

Closet radical Muslim ?

😉

 

[judasmachine]

revenge is for children. even if you do get your revenge it tastes of ashes.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: DonVito
From Yahoo!-AP:

Today it's Joe who mans the M-240 atop a Humvee, warily watching the sides of the road, an unlikely Army corporal at 48, a father who came here for revenge, a Christian missionary on a crusade against Islam, and a man who, after six months at war, is ready to go home.

"I shouldn't even have come," he now says. And if he leaves bloody Iraq with no blood on his hands, he says, that's fine, too.

. . .


Why did he do it? The wiry lean Georgian, an easy-talking man with a boyish, sunburned face, tried to answer the question that won't go away.

"It's a lot of things combined," he said. "One, a sense of duty. I was pissed off at the terrorists for 9/11 and other atrocities. Second, I'd only trained. I wanted combat." And then, he said, "there's some revenge involved. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't."

But there was more on the mind of this man who has done Church of God missionary work as far afield as Peru and the Arctic.

"I don't really have love for Muslim people," Johnson said. "I'm sure there are good Muslims. I try not to be racist." Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

Wow, this guy is full of idiotic sentiments. Yeah, get revenge for 9/11 by killing Iraqis. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Not only does he not understand Islam, he doesn't even understand his own religion. Let's see here, revenge? Jesus says turn the other cheek. Killing in the name of . . . Jesus? Nope, wrong again. Jesus would not approve.

How can one man be so wrong about so many things?

:roll:

 

[Starbuck1975]

That kind of misconception seems to be very prevalent in average Americans

Demonizing the enemy is a common facet of war, and an unfortunate one...then again, the Islamic world has done little to counter this negative perception of their culture...and Islamic extremists have not exactly been honest brokers in even attempting to understand the cultural differences of those they have declared their enemies.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: DonVito
From Yahoo!-AP:

AL-ASAD, Iraq - In the desert chill, on the lonely nighttime roads of Iraq, Joe Johnson looks out over his machine gun and thinks of Justin. It was on Easter morning 2004 that a chaplain and a colonel appeared on Joe and Jan Johnson's Georgia doorstep with the news. Justin, the boy Joe had fished and hunted with, the soldier son who'd gone off to Iraq a month earlier, was suddenly dead at 22, killed by a roadside bomb planted in a Baghdad slum.

Today it's Joe who mans the M-240 atop a Humvee, warily watching the sides of the road, an unlikely Army corporal at 48, a father who came here for revenge, a Christian missionary on a crusade against Islam, and a man who, after six months at war, is ready to go home.

"I shouldn't even have come," he now says. And if he leaves bloody Iraq with no blood on his hands, he says, that's fine, too.

. . .


Why did he do it? The wiry lean Georgian, an easy-talking man with a boyish, sunburned face, tried to answer the question that won't go away.

"It's a lot of things combined," he said. "One, a sense of duty. I was pissed off at the terrorists for 9/11 and other atrocities. Second, I'd only trained. I wanted combat." And then, he said, "there's some revenge involved. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't."

But there was more on the mind of this man who has done Church of God missionary work as far afield as Peru and the Arctic.

"I don't really have love for Muslim people," Johnson said. "I'm sure there are good Muslims. I try not to be racist." Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

This is a sad story IMO, and I'm not going to pick on this guy (though I think it's a little troubling that a man of the cloth has such dislike for another faith about which he appears to know nothing).

That being said, I think it's a good example (and there are endless numbers of such stories) of the fact that it is unwise to make major life decisions without thinking things through. I myself am a veteran, and in general have the highest regard for people who serve, but I have known more than a few who joined up for the wrong reasons, and it's a particularly bad idea when people join specifically knowing they'll be put in harm's way for foolish reasons.

I hope he makes it home safe in any case. A 48-year-old infantryman sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Yeah, after all it says to enslave and work infidels and Jews and blacks and anyone who iisn't a Muslim, not kill them immediately.

 

[Aimster]

The Quran doesn't mention killing anyone that is not Muslim. Murder is a SIN in the Quran. I can bust out the Bible and pull quotes out of my ass that will look very identical to the Quran's quotes on this very topic.

People who say that are just being stupid.

Christians and Jews live in the M.E which is surrounded by millions of Arab Muslims.

Indonesia has a large Christian population and it is the largest Muslim country.

Tourist go to Turkey, UAE, Egypt all the time. They are Christians - Jews.

Christians and Jews in Iran are protected under the law and giving representation in the govt.

7 million Muslims live in the U.S. How many of them are going around killing people because they are Christian? 9/11 was an attack on U.S. Not an attack on religion. It killed Muslims as well.

Iraq has a Christian population. Yet the majority of attacks are being targeted at Muslim-Muslim instead of at the Chrstians. The hate between Sunni-Shia is stronger than the hate between Muslim-Christian.

If you truely believe in of that crap about Muslims wanting death to Chrstians/Jews go download the show "30 days as a Muslim". It showed on FX. Watch it - Educate yourself - Learn. Guy basically went into a mosque with a cross in his hand and prayed.

Common Sense. Lacking?

 

[Aisengard]

The Quran is BASED on the Bible. At least the one that was around in 500 AD, when Islam was invented.

What's funny is that the entire religion is based on the assumption that they are the 'final interpretation' of God's word until the Day Of Reckoning. But here they go off and continue to redefine their own religion. What, is it, 'Jihad', holy war, I heard wasn't even in the Q'uran.

But yeah. I know Islam is a peaceful religion, there's about a billion peace-loving Islamics in Indonesia right now. But the fact remains that the religion is being hijacked and redefined with no so much as a peep from the rest of the allegedly sane Islam community. You really cannot blame people for thinking ill of it.

 

[Proletariat]

This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.

Q 2:2-6


The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.

Q 3:19


If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.

Q 2:23-5


God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Q 2:92-6


Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Q 2:190-3


When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Q 9:5


Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Q 9:73


Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.

Q 4:34

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The Quran doesn't mention killing anyone that is not Muslim. Murder is a SIN in the Quran. I can bust out the Bible and pull quotes out of my ass that will look very identical to the Quran's quotes on this very topic.

People who say that are just being stupid.

Christians and Jews live in the M.E which is surrounded by millions of Arab Muslims.

Indonesia has a large Christian population and it is the largest Muslim country.

Tourist go to Turkey, UAE, Egypt all the time. They are Christians - Jews.

Christians and Jews in Iran are protected under the law and giving representation in the govt.

7 million Muslims live in the U.S. How many of them are going around killing people because they are Christian? 9/11 was an attack on U.S. Not an attack on religion. It killed Muslims as well.

Iraq has a Christian population. Yet the majority of attacks are being targeted at Muslim-Muslim instead of at the Chrstians. The hate between Sunni-Shia is stronger than the hate between Muslim-Christian.

If you truely believe in of that crap about Muslims wanting death to Chrstians/Jews go download the show "30 days as a Muslim". It showed on FX. Watch it - Educate yourself - Learn. Guy basically went into a mosque with a cross in his hand and prayed.

Common Sense. Lacking?

like i said above, all of that is dependent upon each Imam's individual interpretation of the violent passages in the Quran. for most Muslims, their Imam's place no special emphasis on those passages which specifically call for the enslavement or murder of anyone not willing to convert to Islam.

Sprinkled amongst the peaceful Imams are a select few who focus all of their energies and place all of their emphasis on those parts which encourage hatred and violence against non-believers.

It's almost like having several thousand David Kuresh's running around tainting the Islamic waters. However, there is no denying the fact that certain passages in the Quran are the exact ammunition used by such animals when they preach their violence and hatred.

"For the disbelievers, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads whereby that which is in their bellies and their skins too will be melted; and for them are hooked rods of iron"

"Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them."

"Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."

you're right... no violence whatsoever... nope... none...

As i said, it's all about the interpretation and teachings of a few hundred, or perhaps even a few thousand, very hateful Imams.

The difference betwen them and Chirstian hatemongers is that we've got a grip on the Christian version. Every now and then, one hateful Christian idiot may spring up, but we quickly put them down. It is my belief that the same must be done to EVERY preacher of hatred in Islam.

So since they wont police up these losers themselves, we're forced to do so for them.

 

[Aimster]

A) Those quotes are whack and wrong or taken out of context. The majority of them are talking about a Jihad (holy war). Read the Quran.
B) Some of those quotes aren't even from the Quran
C) You obviously have never read the Bible because the Bible has violence in it as well.

Like I pointed out in Muslim countries Christians and Jews are not being murdered and rounded up so your little theory about Muslims in general hating is put to rest. I don't care what you think is going on over there.

You do not live there and you are not a Muslim.

Muslims are proving you wrong and you are going against the very people you are arguing about and making excuses as to why they act morally when you are suggesting that they should be acting barbaric.

If the majority of Muslims believed in death to Christianity and death to Jews then no Christians or Jews would live in Muslim countries. They are the minorities and will easily be squashed. Why haven't they been squashed?

I already pointed out a large list of some of the largest Muslim countries that have A) tourist coming there b) minorities being protected under law.

What more do you want? I don't care if some Imams are going around say this and that. Do you have any proof that they are? If you find the proof then obviously their message has failed because look above and read the part where I said minorities in Muslim countries are not being squashed.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.

Q 2:2-6


The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.

Q 3:19


If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.

Q 2:23-5


God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Q 2:92-6


Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Q 2:190-3


When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Q 9:5


Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Q 9:73


Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.

Q 4:34

A) Those quotes are for a Jihad. Do you know what a Jihad is? No you don't. Go get an education or stop rambling on with your bigotry posting.

B) What does Men > Women have anything to do with this thread?

C) The Quran says the only true faith to God is Islam and you are quoting that? It's a religious book. Do you know what the purpose of a religion is?

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
revenge is for children. even if you do get your revenge it tastes of ashes.

:thumbsup:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
A) Those quotes are whack and wrong or taken out of context. The majority of them are talking about a Jihad (holy war). Read the Quran.
B) Some of those quotes aren't even from the Quran
C) You obviously have never read the Bible because the Bible has violence in it as well.

Like I pointed out in Muslim countries Christians and Jews are not being murdered and rounded up so your little theory about Muslims in general hating is put to rest. I don't care what you think is going on over there.

You do not live there and you are not a Muslim.

Muslims are proving you wrong and you are going against the very people you are arguing about and making excuses as to why they act morally when you are suggesting that they should be acting barbaric.

If the majority of Muslims believed in death to Christianity and death to Jews then no Christians or Jews would live in Muslim countries. They are the minorities and will easily be squashed. Why haven't they been squashed?

I already pointed out a large list of some of the largest Muslim countries that have A) tourist coming there b) minorities being protected under law.

What more do you want? I don't care if some Imams are going around say this and that. Do you have any proof that they are? If you find the proof then obviously their message has failed because look above and read the part where I said minorities in Muslim countries are not being squashed.

Is that post directed toward me?

/confused

 

[daveymark]

first you complain that those who support the war might as well join, calling them cowards if they don't.

then when they do join, you complain they're too old or they joined for the wrong reasons

fuzzy logic rears its head yet again

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: daveymark
first you complain that those who support the war might as well join, calling them cowards if they don't.

then when they do join, you complain they're too old or they joined for the wrong reasons

fuzzy logic rears its head yet again

I don't recall "complaining" about Corporal Johnson joining. I just feel sorry for him. I do believe his rationale for joining was not well-thought-out, and now he's paying the price. The Army isn't going to send him home just because he's having second thoughts.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: DonVito
From Yahoo!-AP:

Today it's Joe who mans the M-240 atop a Humvee, warily watching the sides of the road, an unlikely Army corporal at 48, a father who came here for revenge, a Christian missionary on a crusade against Islam, and a man who, after six months at war, is ready to go home.

"I shouldn't even have come," he now says. And if he leaves bloody Iraq with no blood on his hands, he says, that's fine, too.

. . .


Why did he do it? The wiry lean Georgian, an easy-talking man with a boyish, sunburned face, tried to answer the question that won't go away.

"It's a lot of things combined," he said. "One, a sense of duty. I was pissed off at the terrorists for 9/11 and other atrocities. Second, I'd only trained. I wanted combat." And then, he said, "there's some revenge involved. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't."

But there was more on the mind of this man who has done Church of God missionary work as far afield as Peru and the Arctic.

"I don't really have love for Muslim people," Johnson said. "I'm sure there are good Muslims. I try not to be racist." Although he hasn't read the Quran, or spoken with Muslims, he has "heard" the Islamic holy book "teaches to kill Jews and infidels. And it's hard to love people who hate you."

. . .

Wow, this guy is full of idiotic sentiments. Yeah, get revenge for 9/11 by killing Iraqis. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Not only does he not understand Islam, he doesn't even understand his own religion. Let's see here, revenge? Jesus says turn the other cheek. Killing in the name of . . . Jesus? Nope, wrong again. Jesus would not approve.

How can one man be so wrong about so many things?

:roll:

You hit the nail on the head. This guy is a clueless fool who is close to winning a Darwin Award.

 

[magomago]

RAAAWR time to have fun!
Btw, looking over this again I noticed that quite a bit of fudging in the words and sentences

Originally posted by: Proletariat
This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.
Q 2:2-6

This theme appears through the Quran REPEATEDLY:
The closer you try to come to God the easier God will make it for you to come close to him.
The further you push yourself from God, the harder God will make it for you to come back.
God acts as an intensifier: whatever your feeling is he will magnify that. And considering most people I know...its true. Die hard aetheists usually stay that way, and extremely religious people usually are religious

The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.
Q 3:19

What is the problem with this? You want it to say "Hindiusm is also a true faith in God's sight?"

If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.

It is CLEAR in the Quran (unlike how some people, including someone who preached to me, that Hell is an abcense of God rather than a bad place) that Hell is NOT a happy place. If you continously deny God, you'll spend some time in a place called "hell" and God doesn't make it easy on you. Again what is the problem here? It does not say for MAN to carry out that judgement, and that God will carry it out come day of judgement.

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

[/quote]
It says "God will not favor the non beleivers!". One of the big aspects of the Quran is that people can be extremely stubborn, and often they will deny things over and over or commit errors as exemplified by a lot of tales of Moses.



here is some selective quoting by you

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

FIRST LET ME READ THE FULL THING:


2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah Those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressor.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the sacred mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faight.
2:192 But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, most merciful
2:193And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression

[/quote]
Things make much more sense now! If THEY fight you first, then fight them. This is common sense. Islam is clear to NOT start hostilities--> Only if THEY fight you do you fight in the cause of God. Only if THEY attack you at a Mosque do you use the Mosque as a "fighting area" (Which I wouldn't do either way...that and that specific line is reference to an event). If they CEASE, then do not fight!

What I'm disspointed out of this one is that it isn't just taken out of context...but it didn't even finish the entire sentence

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Q 9:5

Read the full thing again:
I'm going to get the translation online because this takes too long

009.001
A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
009.002
Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
009.003
And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
009.004
(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
009.006
If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

HMMMM now let me add some interpretation from a good book:

"The pagans and enemies of Islam frequently made treaties of mutual alliances with the Muslims. The Muslims scrupulously observed their part, but the Pagans violated their part again and again when it suited them. After some years experience it became imperative to denounce such treaties altogether. This was done in due form, with four months' notice, and a chance was given to those who faithfully observed their pledges, to continue their alliance"
"Note the emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four months of grace are past, and the other party show no signs of desisting from their treacherous designs by right conduct, that the state of war supervenes- between faith and unfaith."
This should be sufficient enough....

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.
Q 9:73

This one is even more funny 😀 Complete mistranslation. Reminds me of Team B in the late 70s early 80s purposely mistranslating Russian phrases 😀

Lets look at THREE translations:

009.073
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

Ouch...So where is this "War"?

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.
Q 4:34

This is one is even more funny because it isn't mistranslation...its adding words!

Aside from the fact that I am doing a diservice by pasting ONLY the first line, and adding no commentary where it needs to be...I want to show how different it is. I won't add more because the point is that it isn't even anywhere near an accurate translation

YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

 

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as for the original post...man that is the worst decision he can make.

Exactly revenge on WHOM!? Was he going to find who killed his son? Kill a few people in the area where his son died? Does it seem there was no course of action?