Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter, thoughts?

[Charles Kozierok]

Revenge killing is just not morally justifiable. I may empathize with the father's anger and subsequent action upon seeing his daughter molested/raped, but I object to the sentiment expressed here that killing somebody in a blind rage is an example of justice served. This sentiment expresses many of the things that civil society and civil human beings have struggled against - chaotic might makes right law enforcement, glorification of and giving into base animalistic emotions like anger, and murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. Murdering somebody as revenge, even for something horrible, ISN'T a just action. It may not be an action that should be as heavily punished as "regular" murder, but it certainly isn't just.

You're being flamed simply for being rational and fair in a thread where most people just want to express their outrage and anger. It's easy to lash out and talk big about revenge on the Internet, of course.

I don't know what I would do in this situation (if it really was as depicted). Maybe I'd have strangled the guy with my bare hands. Sometimes people do kill out of anger, and sometimes the person killed even deserved to die, but that doesn't make it any less murder.

What I find most disturbing is the sheer number of people who would apparently let the father walk with no evidence to back up his claim of what happened. It stretches the limits of believability to actually think the father had to kill this guy to stop him from doing whatever he (allegedly) was doing.

 

[tcG]

Shouldn't matter...even before I had kids if I saw some sick motherfucker molesting a child they'd meet the same fate, there's no redeeming qualities in a child molester, recidivism rates are obscene, there's only one cure for them and that's a grave

 

[corwin]

For child molesters 100% accurate, they are of no use to society and should be executed when they aren't killed in commission of their crime. And any other situation that deems immediate action, there's a reason why law abiding citizens are allowed to carry guns, "justice" isn't a very good crime prevention method and the police can't be everywhere all the time, we alone are responsible for our own protection and the protection of those around us

 

[spidey07]

You're being flamed simply for being rational and fair in a thread where most people just want to express their outrage and anger. It's easy to lash out and talk big about revenge on the Internet, of course.

I don't know what I would do in this situation (if it really was as depicted). Maybe I'd have strangled the guy with my bare hands. Sometimes people do kill out of anger, and sometimes the person killed even deserved to die, but that doesn't make it any less murder.

What I find most disturbing is the sheer number of people who would apparently let the father walk with no evidence to back up his claim of what happened. It stretches the limits of believability to actually think the father had to kill this guy to stop him from doing whatever he (allegedly) was doing.

The police have said evidence backs up the father's account. There were multiple witnesses to the screams and the clothes off the girl.

That's enough right there. And he is legally allowed to use whatever force necessary to stop the rape. It would have been better legally if he just shot him.

Medical examiner says blunt force trama to the head, also lining up with the father's account of events. I would say punching him hard enough and often enough so he's unconscious would be totally necessary to remove the threat. It just so happened he died.

The fact that the crime was committed on his property is just icing on the cake to make sure this never sees a trial. No murder was committed here, only justifiable homicide. The laws are pretty clear on what the father is allowed to do legally, plus he'll be protected against any civil suits.

 

[blankslate]

Where are all the AT trayvon supporters demanding Z's head demanding the fathers head here?

because the two are nothing alike?

This. I have serious questions about Mr. Zimmerman's role in the shooting and I find the father's actions based on the story in the link provided by the OP above reproach.

It's not wise to assume people with a certain opinion will always take a particular position in an event that results in a killing all the fucking time.

 

[leper84]

Revenge killing is just not morally justifiable.

Bullshit. I say you should have a legal responsibility to hunt down a fucking pedo if you can't kill them the first time and shoot them like a fucking dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4W_WKZ_oyA

 

[spidey07]

This. I have serious questions about Mr. Zimmerman's role in the shooting and I find the father's actions based on the story in the link provided by the OP above reproach.

It's not wise to assume people with a certain opinion will always take a particular position in an event that results in a killing all the fucking time.

Doesn't matter. Either you DO or your DO NOT support self defense.

I'm surprised you would even support self defense of a 3rd party when you clearly don't support self defense of one's life.

So how much should the father let him rape his daughter before father is allowed to do something about it?

 

[tcG]

Bullshit. I say you should have a legal responsibility to hunt down a fucking pedo if you can't kill them the first time and shoot them like a fucking dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4W_WKZ_oyA

Does this apply for murderers as well? If not, why not?

 

[Ns1]

Does this apply for murderers as well? If not, why not?

Dexter is (unfortunately) not real life.

 

[skyking]

every time I read the thread title, I get "Father Kills man sexually" and think, WTF?

 

[DrunkenSano]

You're being flamed simply for being rational and fair in a thread where most people just want to express their outrage and anger. It's easy to lash out and talk big about revenge on the Internet, of course.

It's much easier to remain rational and fair on the internet than being in the same situation as the father, not the other way around. A normal father would react the same way if his daughter is being raped. You would be an fucked up father to do nothing if you walk in on someone doing that to your daughter, just because he stopped.

That's why so many people are calling TCG on his bullshit.

 

[Printer Bandit]

this sets a bad precedence. here's a what if, not applicable to this case:

little girl needs CPR.
adult male gives mouth to mouth.
dad walks in thinking his little girl is being molested.
dad kills adult male giving mouth to mouth.

 

[waggy]

this sets a bad precedence. here's a what if, not applicable to this case:

little girl needs CPR.
adult male gives mouth to mouth.
dad walks in thinking his little girl is being molested.
dad kills adult male giving mouth to mouth.

i think most are smart enough o know the difference between CPR and someone taking the panties off (and his pants) with a hand between her legs.


Your hypothetical situation does not compare.

 

[Toastedlightly]

this sets a bad precedence. here's a what if, not applicable to this case:

little girl needs CPR.
adult male gives mouth to mouth.
dad walks in thinking his little girl is being molested.
dad kills adult male giving mouth to mouth.

Do you take clothes off for CPR?

:confused;

 

[BudAshes]

Quickly putting down a person this sick is a mercy to them and the world. Anyone who says otherwise is living in a fantasy land that has no correlation to the reality we live in.

 

[BudAshes]

this sets a bad precedence. here's a what if, not applicable to this case:

little girl needs CPR.
adult male gives mouth to mouth.
dad walks in thinking his little girl is being molested.
dad kills adult male giving mouth to mouth.

Dude, we all know you are the resident pedobear. I will happily rip your guts out if I ever see you naked with your penis in a kids mouth giving it "CPR"

 

[corwin]

this sets a bad precedence. here's a what if, not applicable to this case:

little girl needs CPR.
adult male gives mouth to mouth.
dad walks in thinking his little girl is being molested.
dad kills adult male giving mouth to mouth.

This sets a great precedent...molest a child get put down like an animal, this should be repeated often and replayed on the news nightly

 

[Printer Bandit]

Your hypothetical situation does not compare.

no shit, did you read this part?:

here's a what if, not applicable to this case

 

[waggy]

Do you take clothes off for CPR?

:confused;

when i took "first aid" in high school i suggested that maybe takeing off the shirt and bra of teh girl i was partner with would help. she didn't agree :$

 

[corwin]

no shit, did you read this part?:

here's a what if, not applicable to this case

Here's a what if, not applicable to this case

What if aliens came down and were molesting the child
Then you kill him
and it sets off an intergalactic war
the earth is blown up and we all die

Fucking retarded, there's billions of "what if's" you could throw around and they all mean slightly less than jack and a whole lot less than shit

 

[waggy]

no shit, did you read this part?:

here's a what if, not applicable to this case

yeah and its still fucking stupid.

CPR is not fondling. i would bet 99% here would be able to tell the difference. maybe someone stupid wouldn't..

 

[Printer Bandit]

all i see is just a bunch of blood thirsty internet savages that would kill someone based on what's stated in a news blurb.

 

[corwin]

all i see is just a bunch of blood thirsty internet savages that would kill someone based on what's stated in a news blurb.

Racist

And yep, if I were to witness what they are reporting exactly I would have killed the fucker too, that you would try to find some excuse for a piece of shit like that or think of hypotheticals that he was innocent shows your mentality and it's sad and pathetic

 

[highland145]

Shouldn't matter...even before I had kids if I saw some sick motherfucker molesting a child they'd meet the same fate, there's no redeeming qualities in a child molester, recidivism rates are obscene, there's only one cure for them and that's a grave

Agree but having a child of your own changes your "attitude", for lack of a better word, about this. There isn't another human being on this planet that I love more than my kid and he exponentially expanded my concept of it.

And no, I don't think tcG's a pedo.

You're being flamed simply for being rational and fair in a thread where most people just want to express their outrage and anger. It's easy to lash out and talk big about revenge on the Internet, of course.

I don't know what I would do in this situation (if it really was as depicted). Maybe I'd have strangled the guy with my bare hands. Sometimes people do kill out of anger, and sometimes the person killed even deserved to die, but that doesn't make it any less murder.

What I find most disturbing is the sheer number of people who would apparently let the father walk with no evidence to back up his claim of what happened. It stretches the limits of believability to actually think the father had to kill this guy to stop him from doing whatever he (allegedly) was doing.

This is what I was thinking. That's why I asked his kid(s).

I think most would want evidence and it appears the Dad's story holds water.




No, he wouldn't have to kill him to stop the attack but if it feels good.........

 

[BudAshes]

all i see is just a bunch of blood thirsty internet savages that would kill someone based on what's stated in a news blurb.

Now you are just being obtuse for the sake of it.