Why wouldn't there be? Alcohol related crimes and consumption increased during prohibition. I see no reason why it wouldn't under Prohibition Part Deux. Especially since aiding someone consuming alcohol would result in designated drivers being an accomplice to a crime, or at the very least result in aiding a person comitting a criminal act. Taxi drivers wouldn't be ferrying people home. So you very well may have an increase in those that are intoxicated and on the motorways.
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Why wouldn't there be? Alcohol related crimes and consumption increased during prohibition. I see no reason why it wouldn't under Prohibition Part Deux. Especially since aiding someone consuming alcohol would result in designated drivers being an accomplice to a crime, or at the very least result in aiding a person comitting a criminal act. Taxi drivers wouldn't be ferrying people home. So you very well may have an increase in those that are intoxicated and on the motorways.
Yes, that's what I'm stating. People will get just as drunk, just as often, but it will be driven underground. People didn't drink any less during prohibition, and crime went up, because organized crime became the supplier.
People chase highs. Good luck stopping it. The best you can do is educate people on responsibility. You can't stop people from doing something just by making it illegal.
Crusty
Lifer
Please tell me where I mentioned guns before you brought them into the discussion.
On top of that, comparing guns to drugs is a terrible comparison. Drugs alter the state of the users mind, please tell me how holding/using a gun can give me a high compared to a drug or how driving a big ass SUV is like using a drug?
Your logic has so many faults in it.
MyThirdEye
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: rasczak
hope that fucker gets raped in prison.
for the father. a true father protecting his child. a true hero.
ethebubbeth
Golden Member
Look at what happened with prohibition. It created an underground, unregulated industry around alcohol. How many people died of gang-related violence over illegal alcohol? How many people died from moonshine that was poisonous? It was eventually determined that criminalizing alcohol was more harmful than legalization. It has already been tried, and failed.
JD50
Lifer
rh71 has a point. If you make alcohol illegal, all of those problems will magically disappear. For example, the war on drugs has been an unprecidented success. Ever since we made most drugs illegal, crime rates have plummeted, drug related deaths are almost non-existent, poverty has almost vanished, our once drug infested inner cities are flourishing, and drugs are nowhere to be found.
:beer: for you rh71, you sir, are a genius!
:beer: for you rh71, you sir, are a genius!
mrSHEiK124
Lifer
Seriously. I'm not a drinker, and will probably never be [religious reasons], but I can see why people enjoy unwinding with a beer and watching the game or having some nice wine with dinner, etc. If you make it illegal alcohol related deaths are not going to vanish, they're just going to turn into moonshine related deaths...
I feel sorry for what happened and the guy certainly did a brave and noble thing to get his daughter out of harms way.
Just for thought though, since jjsole pointed out something interesting (and probably true). For all we know this guy could have driven home last night plastered out of his mind. Is he still a hero?
I've driven while under the influence before, and I can say I've seen every one of my close friends do it at least once.
Fortunately nothing happened to me (it's been 5 years since it happened - I'm 25 now) and nothing has ever happened to any of my friends.
If anything, I'd say driving after drinking is the norm, not the exception. (I'm not talking about being wasted, I'm talking about people having <= 5 drinks and then driving)
Just for thought though, since jjsole pointed out something interesting (and probably true). For all we know this guy could have driven home last night plastered out of his mind. Is he still a hero?
I've driven while under the influence before, and I can say I've seen every one of my close friends do it at least once.
Fortunately nothing happened to me (it's been 5 years since it happened - I'm 25 now) and nothing has ever happened to any of my friends.
If anything, I'd say driving after drinking is the norm, not the exception. (I'm not talking about being wasted, I'm talking about people having <= 5 drinks and then driving)
Jeff7
Lifer
Maybe he would have lived until he was 95, and been able to see his great grandchildren.
I would have hoped that a "plan" could have been comprehensive enough to exclude irresponsible drunks who kill people.
What stupid creatures we are.
"This substance will make you dangerous while driving a car, which is already one of the most dangerous things we engage in on a regular basis. This makes it far more likely that you will kill someone else, or yourself."
With that information known, hey, we still do it! Willful stupidity. It's a damn shame.
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
They said on the radio report that he was under the influence of drugs, not alcohol.
rh71
No Lifer
Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. Magically disappear. Thanks for adding value to all this discussion.
I don't have a problem with anything but drinking (again because the negatives are endless, and there is no real good except to unwind which can be accomplished in other ways) and if by now that's not obvious then it's your problem. I am hardly being elitist. And that's such a typical ATOT response - it does nothing to defend/explain why people still do what they do. "Well what about you?" is 5th grade.
I am stating my opinion on 1 subject matter that should be controlled better. The defense has been that it's been tried and failed. I can accept that it was tried - though I hold out hope another form of control in this, another era, would still play out.
Regardless, the statement I made to start off this whole thing is still something I believe in. All most people do is shrug and live with a "necessary" evil. I guess it's all fine until you are personally affected.
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
You should change your thread title. The driver was under the influence of illegal drugs, not alcohol.
rh71
No Lifer
Which is usually the problem. I've heard it too, first hand. People just laugh it off saying they shouldn't have but did anyway.
Impaired judgment to make a decision whether your judgment is impaired. Do we rely on groups like MADD or SADD to get through to these people? Even while their judgment is impaired? Wake-up calls after you're in the hospital and the other person and their children are in the morgue is not good enough. "Oops, my bad. I will have to live with it the rest of my life." Now go ask that person who just lost 3 family members if they care he has to live with it the rest of his life.
alkemyst
No Lifer
i got arrested for a DUI once. I think it was a setup so YMMV (the chick I had broke up with that morning and was going to move out that weekend from had her friend the cop waiting for me when I came home).
I was broke at the time so was milking my beers at a local jazz club they had (no rock and roll in the town)...had 4 beers from 6pm to 10pm, left the club at 2am.
Passed the roadsides fine except I misinterpreted saying my alphabet as saying it backwards, on the arrest sheet the cop wrote my response down three times with notes that I was incoherent. He had it z-a each time correctly. Also the cop had me do my fieldside test on the middle line of a street which they didn't stop traffic on. The cops waited on both sides of the road with me in the middle. It was very windy and on the video there were about 5 cars that flew by me recorded.
Anyway, I thought I passed but I was then cuffed and taken downtown. I blew a 0.168. I was 185lbs at the time. It was an impossible reading...still it held up. I later found that because my lower lip was badly cut that was probably why I failed the breath test and should have asked for a blood test. That morning we were fighting, she had moved stuff around the apartment, when I took a normal turn there was a shelf now in the way. It hit me right at my lower teeth hard. I was spitting blood for about 2 hours that morning.
All that said I have learned alot about the process and what really happens. You mostly get minor drinkers off the streets and many getting financially fucked up because of it. I was in a good place at the time so I just paid out the $5-6k or so to be done with it and not have any community service either. I couldn't drive for 3 months, but I could arrange for transportation...this alone would bankrupt many people.
At .08 most people are not really affected badly. At .04-5 some people are fucking looney.
The test itself would never fly in science...one is testing one's blood level by measuring blood in their breath. While being non-invasive, it would never be enough to prove anything based on a true blood level. Yet it sounds good to the majority of the public.
In reality DUI related non-driver fatalities are pretty rare yet an obscene amount is spent trying to stop them. Most of the people arrested would never cause an accident.
In reality again the MADD/SADD lobby is one of the most powerful and push other politics through the house and senate backing it with DUI issues. It's EXTREMELY profitable and that is where the parent group is focused.
Who would say no to a mother that just lost their kid to a drunk even if the drinking may not have caused it?
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I was broke at the time so was milking my beers at a local jazz club they had (no rock and roll in the town)...had 4 beers from 6pm to 10pm, left the club at 2am.
Passed the roadsides fine except I misinterpreted saying my alphabet as saying it backwards, on the arrest sheet the cop wrote my response down three times with notes that I was incoherent. He had it z-a each time correctly. Also the cop had me do my fieldside test on the middle line of a street which they didn't stop traffic on. The cops waited on both sides of the road with me in the middle. It was very windy and on the video there were about 5 cars that flew by me recorded.
Anyway, I thought I passed but I was then cuffed and taken downtown. I blew a 0.168. I was 185lbs at the time. It was an impossible reading...still it held up. I later found that because my lower lip was badly cut that was probably why I failed the breath test and should have asked for a blood test. That morning we were fighting, she had moved stuff around the apartment, when I took a normal turn there was a shelf now in the way. It hit me right at my lower teeth hard. I was spitting blood for about 2 hours that morning.
All that said I have learned alot about the process and what really happens. You mostly get minor drinkers off the streets and many getting financially fucked up because of it. I was in a good place at the time so I just paid out the $5-6k or so to be done with it and not have any community service either. I couldn't drive for 3 months, but I could arrange for transportation...this alone would bankrupt many people.
At .08 most people are not really affected badly. At .04-5 some people are fucking looney.
The test itself would never fly in science...one is testing one's blood level by measuring blood in their breath. While being non-invasive, it would never be enough to prove anything based on a true blood level. Yet it sounds good to the majority of the public.
In reality DUI related non-driver fatalities are pretty rare yet an obscene amount is spent trying to stop them. Most of the people arrested would never cause an accident.
In reality again the MADD/SADD lobby is one of the most powerful and push other politics through the house and senate backing it with DUI issues. It's EXTREMELY profitable and that is where the parent group is focused.
Who would say no to a mother that just lost their kid to a drunk even if the drinking may not have caused it?
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