Fastest HDD / SSD in P4

[Mir96TA]

Is it worth it put a SSD or install super fast HDD in a P4 which is 3 Gig single core Computer with 2 GB Ram ?
OS could be XP Pro or Win 7

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Depends what drive you are coming from. Generally SSD drives are great because of their low access times.

Go for one!

 

[Mir96TA]

Well Never used it.
I was also think I may go beyond the usfull speed of SSD; Due to CPU or Chipset being so old (P865) ?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I don't understand your English

 

[Mir96TA]

I don't understand your English

Well I was saying I have never used it; so when you say what drive I am coming from; it would be regular HDD.
Now what else I way saying; SSD might be little to fast. In other word system may be under power to take a full benefit off a SSD? Can P4 with Intel P865 Chipset are fast enough to take benefit of Maximum benefit of SSD throughout put?

 

[Golgatha]

Intel 865 chipsets only support SATA1, so your throughput will be 150MB/sec maximum. Most SSDs will exceed this for sustained reads and writes. Random read and writes will be unaffected, as I don't know of any SSD which can random R/W faster than 150MB/sec.

If you're going to keep the SSD in this computer for quite some time, I would just go with something like Intel's 40GB value line and RAID0 them together if you want really fast speeds.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Either way, you will see an improvement over a conventional HDD.

What drive(s) are you looking at?

 

[Mir96TA]

If you're going to keep the SSD in this computer for quite some time, I would just go with something like Intel's 40GB value line and RAID0 them together if you want really fast speeds.

Well this is not going to Extreme FAST Machine. I just want fast enough.
80 GB would be good enough space for this machine. However price for those are $$$ too thick for this machine. I think if I go SSD on this machine it has to be prob a 40 GB :hmm:

Either way, you will see an improvement over a conventional HDD.

What drive(s) are you looking at?

Actually I was thinking abuout wd velociraptor or 500 or 600 GB WD blacks ?

 

[COPOHawk]

A few days ago...I got to play with a computer that I knew had an Intel 80GB X25 SSD installed about 9 months ago...with Windows 7 Pro.

After using it for about ten minutes...I checked the hardware stats through "System" tab and was surprised to discover it was only a P4 2.4 GHZ processor...with 3 GB ram.

It was about as fast as my Q6600 overclocked at 3.3 GHZ workstation at home...for internet browsing, Outlook, running a few apps, etc. It was WAY faster than any other 2.4 ghz P4 I have ever encountered.

SSDs are the BEST bang for the buck upgrade in a long time...and can give new life to older computers. Give it a shot...

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

If you go with ANY HDD get the Samsung F3 (500g per platter drives)

Samsung F3

If I were to get another SSD i'd go with the OCZ Vertex LE (Limited Edition) drives. They come in 50g ~ 199$ and they recently had the 100g for 299$ at New Egg

 

[Golgatha]

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-X25-V-Va.../dp/B0031X8HG2

Did a search for the cheapest price on Intel's X25-V 40GB drive. My only problems are you can spend $75 more and get an 80GB Intel drive which is literally twice as fast with twice the capacity, and the sequential reads on the value line quite frankly suck. Those Seagate Momentus XT drives recently reviewed on Anandtech look nicely priced in the 250GB flavor. Too bad they're not widely available yet and are likely to be overpriced for awhile when they are.

 

[Mir96TA]

If I go with SSD, Then I have to see the size vs $ . I think I may end getting a Intel or some other Value SDD hopefully with Trim or some sort of simliar utility

 

[Mir96TA]

See with that Intel Drive; what I love is
Random 4 KB reads up to 25 K IOPS, random 4 KB writes up to 2.5 K IOPS
Speed wise I think it is more then what Chipset can handle (P865)
Sustained Read/Write: 170/35 MB/s

 

[Golgatha]

See with that Intel Drive; what I love is
Random 4 KB reads up to 25 K IOPS, random 4 KB writes up to 2.5 K IOPS
Speed wise I think it is more then what Chipset can handle (P865)
Sustained Read/Write: 170/35 MB/s

Only the sustained write will be slower than it should be and only by 20MB/sec (170 on drive vs 150 for SATA 1). Everything else should be full speed. The HDD/SSD is always the bottleneck when it comes to moving data around. Even in an old P4 system you'd be lucky to see 5% CPU usage when transferring data around.

 

[Mir96TA]

Man I think I got my heart set on SSD
Just matter of my wallet now :twisted:

 

[Golgatha]

Man I think I got my heart set on SSD
Just matter of my wallet now :twisted:

Don't think, just buy. Totally worth it. However, once you've tasted the goodness, you'll seriously get irritated using any computer with a mechanical HDD. Seriously, I'm even considering a SSD for my HTPC because I'm now spoiled by my laptop and main desktop, even though I honestly don't give a rat's ass about performance on that machine.

 

[ElFenix]

If you go with ANY HDD get the Samsung F3 (500g per platter drives)

Samsung F3

hai samsung pls add a thurd plaetter kthnxlol

(i really do want a 1.5TB drive that's faster than my current WD 'gaming' drive so i can get rid of the green drive as well)


and an SSD will speed up damn near anything. though at some point it must become more cost effective to get a new processor, board, and ram, depending on what components are already in the computer.



edit: looks like the 'egg is carrying 1.5TB FASS drives and they look to be very fast, sweet

 

[Mir96TA]

Don't think, just buy. Totally worth it. However, once you've tasted the goodness, you'll seriously get irritated using any computer with a mechanical HDD. Seriously, I'm even considering a SSD for my HTPC because I'm now spoiled by my laptop and main desktop, even though I honestly don't give a rat's ass about performance on that machine.

Mental Note
Do not Listen to Him ^^^^^ :twisted:
You will end up upgrading all of your computer, and your wallet will HATE you :\

 

[Emulex]

i have two hp's a p4-2.8 and a p4-3.0 (ht) - both are oem (hp/lenovo) and get full sata2 speeds with x25-v and x18-m

and both machines are faster than a brand new oem p5400 with 7200.12 boxen at most tasks due to advanced tweaks you can do (huge browser cache, no latency; no prefetch, etc). of course the p5400 is faster at some things but for business i'd take SSD with p4-netburst over hard drive and whatever. you just can't make up for latency.

Lastly its easy to clone a drive - compared to rebuilding. one takes an hour tops

 

[Mir96TA]

you just can't make up for latency.

tops

So goddamn true

 

[Mir96TA]

So I bite the bullet and got me a OCZ S2 30 GB SSD.
I just realize these are 2.5 not a standard 3.5.
So now I endup needing adapter kit.
I am wondering do they came with mounting kit ?
cause they are about $10 I think ? so I guess I should have include in that price :hmm:
Any rate where are some good places people buying thse adapter kit off ?

 

[Mir96TA]

So I have replace the old IDE Hitiachi HDD

with OCZ Soild 2 30 GiG

I am keep thinking WD Black 750 Gig Also wont be a Bad choice either

OCZ can faster with SataII
I have tested on 9ICHR with Intel Drivers, this is what I have found

This is Crystal Disk Mark

 

[pitz]

Having a SSD that is worth more than the rest of the computer combined, is kind of an interesting proposition, but if you want to do it, I don't see why not.

The only thing is, unless you're running Windows 7, or a very recent (ie: 2.6.34) kernel, you're not going to have TRIM. This means, over time, your SSD will suffer performance degradation much faster than it would, for instance, on a Win7 machine.

As for RAID'ed SSDs, I really don't see the point unless you have a weird requirement to obtain an enormous amount of space, in which case, you can buy SSDs into the 1Tb range today (ie: from outfits like Pliant, etc.).

 

[Mir96TA]

Actually I was hopping if they have a utility similar what Intel have Grabage collector,
For my main computer 30 GB is way too small!
I need some where 128 GB or some thing. I can always throw HDD for Storage etc

 

[taltamir]

you know, if you buy a nice SSD today, nothing is stopping you from using it in whatever system you upgrade your P4 into...

So, your mobo, CPU, an RAM have to pretty much "go together"... but the SSD? just move it to your next machine.

Be warned that the intel G2 was released about a year ago, and the G3 will be released in a few months. The G3 will cost LESS than half to manufacture (so, likely 2/3 the cost to buy), and the G2 still costs today the same as it did the day it was released.
So if you wait a couple of months you might enjoy more of the "life cycle" so to speak... it would be a shame to buy a brand new drive only to see the next gen drive arrive mere months later at a fraction of the price.