I convinced Kerry will win outright next Tuesday. And I'm now also convinced, regardless of the winning spread, Republican operatives are all set and poised to file law suits EVERYWHERE in nearly every State. Their goal (after Kerry wins), will be to actually over turn the election results, and hopefully have it all end up in the Supreme Court, again. And you all know what THAT will mean.... So, don?t be surprised!
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"Fasten your seat belt, we're in for a bumpy ride."
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KidViciou$
Diamond Member
i think that bush will win just because of all the muck he will have created. i think the deck is stacked against kerry, unfortunately 🙁
let's hope the youth and urban population don't let us down!
let's hope the youth and urban population don't let us down!
And lets not forget the minorities. As more minorities poor into this great land the Democratic party will greatly benefit from this!
Anyway, I doubt that Kerry is going to win by a landslide. The election is still in the air. I'm voting Kerry but do you really think he's going to be able to turn things around in just 4 short years. If he win he sure does have a lot of work ahead of him. But this election is stil up in the air as far as I'm concerned.
Thump553
Lifer
It will be dirty, but lawsuits will only be a very minor part of it. And hopefully the lawsuits will stop a good deal of the dirty play.
I predict that Republican operatives will be frequently challenging potential voters in key (ie, student or minority districts). The practice is already quite apparent in certain districts in Ohio. These challenges will probably be based on residence within the voting district, and possibly cititzenship or age. These challenges will have the effect, if nothing else, slowly down the voting process to a crawl in those areas. If the lines are 3 hours long or more (easy to do in a crowded district and multiple voter challenges) many people will turn away and not vote. The GOP will have accomplished what it wants-disenfranchising those voters it doesn't want heard.
Some suggestions:
1) Bring proof of your age (driver's license-even an out of state one) to the poll, along with proof of address (a lease, a couple of utility bills, etc) with you to the polls if possible.
2) Bring reading material and be prepared for a long wait. A few hours standing in line is a small price to change to save this country.
3) If you are challenged, make your objections known about the GOP tactics in a loud and clear, but respectful voice. Make sure others in the line know it is because of the GOP that the line is moving slow.
4) In the worst case, you have the ABSOLUTE right to cast a provisional ballot. At a minimum, do NOT leave the polling place without having at least done this.
We must all do what we can to help protect our democracy. A boring day standing in line is a very small price to pay compared to what our predecessors paid.
I predict that Republican operatives will be frequently challenging potential voters in key (ie, student or minority districts). The practice is already quite apparent in certain districts in Ohio. These challenges will probably be based on residence within the voting district, and possibly cititzenship or age. These challenges will have the effect, if nothing else, slowly down the voting process to a crawl in those areas. If the lines are 3 hours long or more (easy to do in a crowded district and multiple voter challenges) many people will turn away and not vote. The GOP will have accomplished what it wants-disenfranchising those voters it doesn't want heard.
Some suggestions:
1) Bring proof of your age (driver's license-even an out of state one) to the poll, along with proof of address (a lease, a couple of utility bills, etc) with you to the polls if possible.
2) Bring reading material and be prepared for a long wait. A few hours standing in line is a small price to change to save this country.
3) If you are challenged, make your objections known about the GOP tactics in a loud and clear, but respectful voice. Make sure others in the line know it is because of the GOP that the line is moving slow.
4) In the worst case, you have the ABSOLUTE right to cast a provisional ballot. At a minimum, do NOT leave the polling place without having at least done this.
We must all do what we can to help protect our democracy. A boring day standing in line is a very small price to pay compared to what our predecessors paid.
Hehe... pun intended?
I just read an article on the front page of my newspaper about how a new subdivision in my county filled with new 500K + homes (which in my county puts you WELL into the upper middle class) and gas guzzling SUVs driven by blonde stay-at-home-moms is a new republican stronghold. And yes, there was a photo accompanying the article. 😛 Kind of hard to digest my breakfast now... it's really pretty disgusting to me, all that conspicuous consumerism.
The Haves and the Have Mores...
(edit: BTW, I don't think there is anything wrong with being successful. My family has been successful. But we also make daily efforts and choices to be good stewards of our environment/resources.)
NightCrawler
Diamond Member
I think Bush will win and the Democrats will run around telling everyone that the election was stolen agian.
theshazman
Golden Member
When the elections are too close to call or within the margin of error, regardless of who wins, it will be the loser party crying foul.
We've gotta start somewhere. At least, that's my thinking. We need to start unraveling the mess Bush has placed us in. You don't do that by re-electing him.
By the way, this trend of contesting elections was started by Bush in 2000 when their legal team set about doing what the voters had not done . They opened this goddamned Pandora's box and now we have to live with it.
umbrella39
Lifer
Excellent post. It will be very interesting to hear how much stalling takes place and in what areas of the country they take place in. You are correct, the stall and the challenges are designed to make the long lines longer and to discourage people from voting at all. #4 is a MUST and I just hope enough people know about that option.
Think that sums up the difference between the dem and the gop operatives. Dems will challenge the results (after the fact) and the gops will challenge the lists. I'll leave you to decide which side is more effective in disenfranchising voters.
Are you saying you don't think democrats having already posted attorneys so they can do the same if Kerry loses? If you are, you're wrong.
I can't possibly predict which will win (and anyone who thinks they can is delusional), but whichever side loses will fight a very ugly fight.
JoLLyRoGer
Diamond Member
Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
To play devil's advocate, it's understandable to me that a person's voting eligibility have the possibility of being challenged, if sheerly for the interest of keeping as close and accurate an overall count. Unfortunately, I imagine the procedures as much "harm" than good (in the same ways post 9/11 airport security methods have done), manifesting in the form of longer lines, heightened tension, etc.
I'm a firm believer that the truth will prevail, so long as you give it a chance. For instance, at the polling place, should you be challenged, stick to your guns, but also do your best to understand the heightened pressures on everyone involved. Be clear, concise and, as much as possible, respectful. Lay out the facts at the right time to the right people. If the person "helping" you -can't- help you, politely inquire about getting in touch with someone who can.
I'm a firm believer that the truth will prevail, so long as you give it a chance. For instance, at the polling place, should you be challenged, stick to your guns, but also do your best to understand the heightened pressures on everyone involved. Be clear, concise and, as much as possible, respectful. Lay out the facts at the right time to the right people. If the person "helping" you -can't- help you, politely inquire about getting in touch with someone who can.
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