Fast Food walkout - Nationwide

[s0me0nesmind1]

These used to be jobs for teenagers. Now, older people have been taking them because of the shit economy from 2009 and onward.

Different class of people, different expectations. Problem is, they don't want to accept, several years out and not having moved on, that the job is still worth the pay it was when they started.

Old people taking younger people's jobs? Jesus fuck quit living in denial.

Or is Grandpa bagging my groceries? Making my sandwich? I'm sure the efficiency of an older man vs. younger is the reason why :hmm:

This is an immigration issue and always has 🙄

 

[diesbudt]

I think those statistics are more indicative of how useless a Bachelor's degree really is.

If you come out of college with a BA in Philosophy, what jobs are you really qualified to do? Pretty much none. So, you go for an unskilled labor position.

We need to end government grants, assistance, and loans for useless liberal arts degrees.

This is 1 of many things that I agree needs changed if we wish to fix the money issue in the nation.

There are 30-35% more "psychologist" and "lawyers" than there are positions. Liberal arts and music degrees have very limited positions.

meanwhile Medical fields, Engineering and other good - Amazing positions are actually starting to hurt for people.

Though I believe this has a lot more to do with most of the people are not bright enough, or willing to put the work in for these degrees and want to slide on by. If a few people do this in society, it is not a big deal. But as can be seen it is growing, and will get a point where there will be issues because of it.

TL;DR America's Structure is starting to crumble because its' citizens are lazy.

 

[diesbudt]

A food desert means more than a mile from a grocery store... I have been living in a food desert and I didn't even know it :O

How have I been eating?:hmm:

You brave, brave man. How can one survive in such a desert?

 

[Genx87]

So what day was this supposed to happen?

 

[nehalem256]

TL;DR America's Structure is starting to crumble because its' citizens are lazy.

Also apparently really stupid(or fat?) since they seem to think they need $600 worth of food a month to survive.

 

[Chiropteran]

They consider Low Food Access to be more than 1 mile to a major grocery store for an urban area and more than 10 miles for in a rural area.

I used to live in a Food Desert even though I had 12 major grocery stores within a 5 mile radius and bus service ran to 4 of them every 15-30 minutes.

Do you own a car? Do you make min wage?

Scroll up, check the numbers. Why do you even mention bus service? There is no money left over for bus fare! There is no money to buy a car! Walking 4 miles round trip might be all fine and good on a nice afternoon. Try that on a rainy day, or in a snowstorm, and carry 6 bags of groceries with you while you do it. Good luck.

Or better yet, do it in southeast DC, at night because that is when you get off work, and tell me what your solution is when someone tries to rob you. Run away while carrying a load of groceries? Yeah right.

In the summer, I guess you just give up on frozen food? None of it is going to be frozen when you actually get home, after walking an hour in the heat.

A "food desert" sounds like a joke because you don't make min wage, and have access to transportation. Give that up and see how you do.

 

[Chiropteran]

I believe the premise was I would work at Walmart that was within walking distance of my apartment. So I assume that after work I would wander over to the grocery section and pick up some groceries to take home with me.

Which, as I said, is BS. Pure fantasy-land dreaming. Even the worst parts of DC, southeast ghetto, you can't find a rental for less than $700/month, and those are not anywhere near a Walmart or any other grocery store.

Given that I walk 1+hour/day + 45 min driving for commute there is no opportunity cost lost. In fact given that I can now combine my daily walk and daily commute it is possibly a net gain.

Have a good time doing that hour long walk while carrying 5+ bags of groceries through the worst parts of town and not getting robbed. Have a good time doing that in the heat of summer and not causing your food to spoil. Have fun doing that in a rainstorm or blizzard.

In the perfect situation, walking isn't bad. But if you don't have any budget for bus or car *ever*, you need to walk even in the worst possible conditions. Good luck with that.

Did you forget how I pointed out that my current bfest(the one I ate this morning) costs around $0.50 per day?

Sorry, the milk you bought was stolen from you while walking home from the store, try again.

So assuming $200/month for food that gives me $170 for 40 meals or $4.25. I can easily eat off $200/month, no ramen noodles required.

What kind of new-fangled math are you using where 40 meals is enough for a month? You eating 1.25 meals per day? A regular person eats 3-4 meals a day, so triple your $200 figure to $600 and you have something a bit more realistic.

By "Magical Nirvana-land" you mean 5 min from where I grew up? Oh and btw I never had a problem drinking the water straight out of the faucet.

No, I mean something you made up in your head that doesn't actually exist. I can show you zillow results that prove that the prices and situations are you using as examples just plain DO NOT EXIST in the DC area.

If your entire argument hinges on living in some specific isolated location where everything falls together perfectly, then it obviously doesn't apply to the rest of the country.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you own a car? Do you make min wage?

Scroll up, check the numbers. Why do you even mention bus service? There is no money left over for bus fare! There is no money to buy a car! Walking 4 miles round trip might be all fine and good on a nice afternoon. Try that on a rainy day, or in a snowstorm, and carry 6 bags of groceries with you while you do it. Good luck.

Why would you carry 6 bags of groceries? The premise to the scenario was you worked at Walmart. Obviously you would take some things home with you everyday from the grocery section.

No wonder these people are stuck making minimum wage... they just aren't that bright.

Or better yet, do it in southeast DC, at night because that is when you get off work, and tell me what your solution is when someone tries to rob you. Run away while carrying a load of groceries? Yeah right.

In the summer, I guess you just give up on frozen food? None of it is going to be frozen when you actually get home, after walking an hour in the heat.

A "food desert" sounds like a joke because you don't make min wage, and have access to transportation. Give that up and see how you do.

The nearest grocery store is ~1.5 miles away. I live in a "food desert". I have in fact walked to the grocery store in the summer.

Oh, and I distinctly recall walking 3 miles in a snowstorm last year and in the -5 degrees cold. It was a bit chilly, but the trick is to wear a pair of knit shorts under your pants so the front of your legs don't get cold :awe:

 

[nehalem256]

Which, as I said, is BS. Pure fantasy-land dreaming. Even the worst parts of DC, southeast ghetto, you can't find a rental for less than $700/month, and those are not anywhere near a Walmart or any other grocery store.

Sounds like the DC ghetto is a crappy place to live. And where I grew up is not "fantasy-land dreaming"/

Have a good time doing that hour long walk while carrying 5+ bags of groceries through the worst parts of town and not getting robbed. Have a good time doing that in the heat of summer and not causing your food to spoil. Have fun doing that in a rainstorm or blizzard.

I walked 1.5 hours yesterday. It was 96 degrees. And why would I carry 5+ bags of groceries? I would carry 1 or 2 everyday walking home from my job at walmart. Common sense.

What kind of new-fangled math are you using where 40 meals is enough for a month? You eating 1.25 meals per day? A regular person eats 3-4 meals a day, so triple your $200 figure to $600 and you have something a bit more realistic.

4 meals a day? No wonder Americans are so fat.

Oh. sorry. I did screw it up. It should have been 60 meals for lunch and dinner. So I only have a little more than $3 for lunch and $3 for dinner. Still doable without much trouble. As you recall bfest was around $0.50 per day, as in what I ate for bfest today.

No, I mean something you made up in your head that doesn't actually exist. I can show you zillow results that prove that the prices and situations are you using as examples just plain DO NOT EXIST in the DC area.

If your entire argument hinges on living in some specific isolated location where everything falls together perfectly, then it obviously doesn't apply to the rest of the country.

Minneapolis suburbs is not an "isolated area". In fact there are plenty of even cheaper areas. My brother had an apartment in Kansas for $500/month a year or so ago for grad school.

In fact it would appear to be you who is doing that with your obsession with living in the Washington DC ghetto. Which I believe was offered a Walmart, but decided to turn it down.

Living in an expensive ghetto would seem to be another example of stupidity. No wonder these people are stuck making minimum wage.

 

[buckshot24]

The difference being that you want to kick them off assistance while allowing their employer to continue paying low wages. Where as Chiropteran is advocating that business be required to pay better.

That is incorrect. I don't think it is particularly fair to just cut people off who have grown dependent on the assistance that they have been getting. There should be a gradual decrease. Requiring a business to do something usually ends up poorly for the people you're trying to help.

What the difference? Well, removing assistance to those that needs it can force people, who otherwise wouldn't, seek out other means to support themselves, typically illegal means. How much do think it will cost the rest of us good Americans when crime starts rising? Do you think there is any correlation between government assistance and the lowering crime rate?

We as a society would be better off paying people what they are actually worth to society. Artificially raising somebodies wages actually hurts them in the long run. Imagine if you could make 50k a year working the fryer at McDonalds, more people are going to accept the level of skill needed to fry McChicken sandwiches instead of bettering themselves.

Now if we put the burden on businesses what could happen? Higher prices for products and services made by low wage employees? Who would be affected by those higher prices? Certainly not as many people that would be affected by a higher crime rate.

Everybody would be effected by higher prices, especially the poor you're so desperate to "help".

Also I'm not for zero help for the poor. I'm for help that enables people to break out of their dependency instead of being imprisoned by it.

 

[Chiropteran]

4 meals a day? No wonder Americans are so fat.

Well, your completely unrealistic $.50 example meal of 1 serving of grape-nuts is 210 calories. I guess you live off of 700 calories a day?

A normal healthy diet is around 2000 calories. Although, that "normal" is for a fairly sedentary lifestyle. If you are walking 4 miles to work and back every day then you are burning more calories and need to eat more.

But you think 3 meals of grape-nuts a day is plenty enough, haha.

Minneapolis suburbs is not an "isolated area". In fact there are plenty of even cheaper areas. My brother had an apartment in Kansas for $500/month a year or so ago for grad school.

You didn't just say, "in Minneapolis", you gave a VERY SPECIFIC example which is very specific and isolated from the rest of the US.

It's a $400 apartment.

It's in short walking distance from a Walmart.

That Walmart is readily hiring.

There is no crime problems, and weather is always nice (because no money is being set aside for transportation).

It's a pretty damn unrealistic example. What do you think would happen if everyone tried to take your wonderful advice? Do you think there are actually enough apartments with Walmart right next door which are also conveniently hiring for all the min wage workers in the united states? Are you going to pay for the cost of moving them to their new apartments?

In fact it would appear to be you who is doing that with your obsession with living in the Washington DC ghetto. Which I believe was offered a Walmart, but decided to turn it down.

Living in an expensive ghetto would seem to be another example of stupidity. No wonder these people are stuck making minimum wage.

Yeah those poor stupid people, why don't they just move? Oh yeah, minimum wage doesn't leave any extra money to use for moving expenses! Now do you understand why these stupid examples where nearly every dollar is accounted for in rent and food are stupidly unrealistic? There are many other expenses in regular life, you can't just assume everything else is $0.

 

[Chiropteran]

Oh, and I distinctly recall walking 3 miles in a snowstorm last year and in the -5 degrees cold. It was a bit chilly, but the trick is to wear a pair of knit shorts under your pants so the front of your legs don't get cold :awe:

Oh, so you did it once? That obviously means you would be fine with doing it twice a day every day for the rest of your life, right?

 

[nehalem256]

Well, your completely unrealistic $.50 example meal of 1 serving of grape-nuts is 210 calories. I guess you live off of 700 calories a day?

A normal healthy diet is around 2000 calories. Although, that "normal" is for a fairly sedentary lifestyle. If you are walking 4 miles to work and back every day then you are burning more calories and need to eat more.

As I pointed out that leaves $5.66/day for your other meals. If you want calories grape nuts is not that great.

You can however try things like potatoes. Or the 50 cents walmart pizza dough mix that has 640 calories.

But you think 3 meals of grape-nuts a day is plenty enough, haha.

I thought normal people ate 4 meals a day according to you? 😛

Also, you do realize that at 50 cents you can eat 13 meals of grape nuts a day. And you do realize that the 50 cent grape nut meal included 1/2 cup of 1% milk. Which actually brings you to 260 calories for 50 cents. So 13 * 260 = 3380 calories a day.

You didn't just say, "in Minneapolis", you gave a VERY SPECIFIC example which is very specific and isolated from the rest of the US.

It's a $400 apartment.

It's in short walking distance from a Walmart.

That Walmart is readily hiring.

There is no crime problems, and weather is always nice (because no money is being set aside for transportation).

Actually it was $600. And as I pointed out my brother had an even cheaper apartment that he actually lived in in another state. Not everyone lives in the Luxuro-Ghetto.

 

[nehalem256]

Oh, so you did it once? That obviously means you would be fine with doing it twice a day every day for the rest of your life, right?

So now we live in a fantasy land where there is a major snow storm everyday? All day?

And as I pointed out if you are a half decent person you should be able to easily work up to the Walmart Department Manager and make $11+ an hour.

But that assumes you don't suck at life.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You all are still acting like these people just really tried hard at life, and all the sudden the world changed one day back in 2011 and made fast food a shitty job. Then these people were screwed since they had no warning, and we as a society should bail them out.



Screw that. If you're not capable of figuring out that slacking off in high school and in your early years will cost you later in life then you deserve to be working two jobs at mcdonalds trying to scrape by. That's what happens, that's life.


And to the people crying about min wage not affording you a penthouse apartment in new york.. Yeah... No kidding. Again, you CHOOSE to slack off in your younger years and you might have to be roommates with other losers. Again, nothing new.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

As I pointed out that leaves $5.66/day for your other meals. If you want calories grape nuts is not that great.

You can however try things like potatoes. Or the 50 cents walmart pizza dough mix that has 640 calories.



I thought normal people ate 4 meals a day according to you? 😛

Also, you do realize that at 50 cents you can eat 13 meals of grape nuts a day. And you do realize that the 50 cent grape nut meal included 1/2 cup of 1% milk. Which actually brings you to 260 calories for 50 cents. So 13 * 260 = 3380 calories a day.



Actually it was $600. And as I pointed out my brother had an even cheaper apartment that he actually lived in in another state. Not everyone lives in the Luxuro-Ghetto.

Get a second job. Life is tough. If you choose to be lazy, then you will have to pay for it in later years.


Past that, great we give these takers food cards, rent stipends. Awesome, then they pop out 4 kids we also have to pay for. Said kids are then raised thinking taking the gov't handouts is acceptable, and each of the 4 kids have another 4 kids, and the cycle continues.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So now we live in a fantasy land where there is a major snow storm everyday? All day?

And as I pointed out if you are a half decent person you should be able to easily work up to the Walmart Department Manager and make $11+ an hour.

But that assumes you don't suck at life.

Yup, and that's what this thread is about. People who suck at life. People who continually make bad decisions, and you can prop them up and help them out and they will STILL make bad decisions.

These are the people where if they win a $500k lottery they blow it in 3 months and are back on welfare.

They take and take and take in any way possible. Many of them have mental disorders where they are able to convince themselves that they "deserve" these handouts. It's precipitated by people just like the progressives in this thread who think that the answer is giving them more money.

More money is not the answer, if anything more money HURTS these people. It reinforces that the behaviour is ok, it pushes on that codependent attitude.

 

[Chiropteran]

Actually it was $600.

Oh, that is too bad, you picked an invalid apartment. Your rental application has been denied because the rent is more than 1/3 of your gross monthly income.

Sorry about that. No, we can't refund your application fee.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Oh, that is too bad, you picked an invalid apartment. Your rental application has been denied because the rent is more than 1/3 of your gross monthly income.

Sorry about that. No, we can't refund your application fee.

If you can't figure out the math of determining your income/rent before applying then yes of course you lose your application fee. I mean seriously, the handouts you all want blows my mind.


You're an adult, stop trying to get people to hold your hand and start learning how to be accountable for yourself.

 

[Chiropteran]

If you can't figure out the math of determining your income/rent before applying then yes of course you lose your application fee. I mean seriously, the handouts you all want blows my mind.


You're an adult, stop trying to get people to hold your hand and start learning how to be accountable for yourself.

It's nehalem256 that can't figure out the math, I was simply correcting him.

 

[Chiropteran]

I thought normal people ate 4 meals a day according to you?

I didn't say that. Do you know what 3-4 means? It doesn't mean 4, LOL.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

It's nehalem256 that can't figure out the math, I was simply correcting him.

:thumbsup:

 

[nehalem256]

Oh, that is too bad, you picked an invalid apartment. Your rental application has been denied because the rent is more than 1/3 of your gross monthly income.

Sorry about that. No, we can't refund your application fee.

And it would be completely normal for a 20 year old to have a roommate.

**GASP**

What a crazy idea.

I didn't say that. Do you know what 3-4 means? It doesn't mean 4, LOL.

It also clearly doesn't mean 3, which is what most people would consider to be the normal number of meals. For some reason you thought it important to mention 4 meals a day.

 

[Chiropteran]

And it would be completely normal for a 20 year old to have a roommate.

Like I said, you can't live on min wage in most of the country without outside assistance.

Hint: A roommate who is helping you pay rent is outside assistance.

It also clearly doesn't mean 3, which is what most people would consider to be the normal number of meals. For some reason you thought it important to mention 4 meals a day.

Because many people do eat 4 meals, but not everybody. At least meals, based on your definition where a $.50 200 calorie bowl of grape-nuts is a meal. Drinking a soda on your break, or having some hot chocolate on a cold day would be a meal, according to your logic.

>most people would consider to be the normal number of meals

Most people don't eat grape-nuts, whats your point?

 

[BoberFett]

Hint: A roommate who is helping you pay rent is outside assistance.

D:

We're reaching epic levels of... reaching.