Probably did it to show if the patch gives any kind of speed boost to the older cards. As for the comparison between the 9800 and 5900 it doesnt really matter. They were showing the rendering path increases. Not doing a review of the 5900 vs 9800.
Probably did it to show if the patch gives any kind of speed boost to the older cards. As for the comparison between the 9800 and 5900 it doesnt really matter. They were showing the rendering path increases. Not doing a review of the 5900 vs 9800.
I was wondering about that, but I dont see any "2.0b" 9800 tests. My point is they seem to go out of their way several times about how slow the 9800XT is compared to new cards, but no mention that the 5950 is twice as slow as the one that is "a Galaxy behind"?
I think everyone has pretty much written off the FX series for DX9 performance. At $300, your choices are the 9800XT, 5950U, and 6800, so xbit ignored the 5950U and just compared the 9800XT and 6800.
Anywho, the X800s get a decent boost, but there are a few benches where the 6800s just demolish the X800s in terms of minimum fps--very impressive, considering the FX series.
Anywho, the X800s get a decent boost, but there are a few benches where the 6800s just demolish the X800s in terms of minimum fps--very impressive, considering the FX series.
Just to clarify, MS has said that DX10s release will coincide with longhorns release, which is slated for fall 2006.
To have ANY card that would support DX10 come out this year, or even next year, would be completely pointless.
To have ANY card that would support DX10 come out this year, or even next year, would be completely pointless.
OpenGL actually takes skill to program though DX lays everything out for the programmer. Hopefully D3 engine will be very utilized that way there remains a competition between DX and OGL and both APIs rush towards next generation ideas.
I'm curious as to where that sentiment comes from -- in my experience programming for both APIs, OpenGL is the easier one to write code for, DirectX just supports more hardware features at the API level.
IMO, OpenGL is easier to do *simple* things with. When you start getting into the extensions, it gets more complicated, whereas DirectX has more complex things built into the core API. Hopefully OpenGL 2.0 (whenever it gets approved) will address some of this.
That's at least understandable, but I don't think I'd use the term 'skill' to describe what it takes to manage said extensions.
Either way, the skill in developing 3d graphics lies in algorithm design, the API has little to do with this beyond which hardware features it enables.
Nobody knows when DX10 will be out. Just pure speculations
I would luv to see NV50/R500 being DX10 cards. Even if ,we the gamers, don't have games that will support DX10 due to lack of the platform, programmers surely will have beta versions of it.
That will help them to experiment on the fortcoming platform and provide better DX10 games for the future. Though I highly doubt that we will see a serious DX10 game for a long long time.
As always when DX10 cards will be out, it's only then that we will start to see serious DX9 games with sophisticated heavily shadowed games.
And as someone stated there's always Opengl that can help to provide DX10 features.
I would luv to see NV50/R500 being DX10 cards. Even if ,we the gamers, don't have games that will support DX10 due to lack of the platform, programmers surely will have beta versions of it.
That will help them to experiment on the fortcoming platform and provide better DX10 games for the future. Though I highly doubt that we will see a serious DX10 game for a long long time.
As always when DX10 cards will be out, it's only then that we will start to see serious DX9 games with sophisticated heavily shadowed games.
And as someone stated there's always Opengl that can help to provide DX10 features.
VirtualLarry
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Correct me if I'm wrong, General, but doesn't that make a certain amount of sense? Both the X800 Pro and the plain 6800 are 12-pipe cards.
They dont insist on doing test without AA/AF. Read it again, they said they will add them later.
FS also has a 2.0b review up.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_ps2.0b/
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Ok there are a couple of points that no one has really touched on yet...
1. Far Cry however graphically intense it is was never built around a SM3.0 code. All that happened was they extended the CryEngines code and added some features. It seems that ATI's 2.0B supports those features while not really supporting all the other new features that Nvidia supports (displacement mapping for instance)
2. The R500 and the NV50 will probably not incorporate DX10. However they will both have SM3.0 paths.
3. I would think that the reason they didn't do AA and AF benches right off the bat are because of optimizations. All AA and AF do is start arguments with fanboys pointing fingers and saying one side cheats. THere is no way to get an accurate representation of who does it for real and who does it more effectively.
3. I dont think microsoft will release DX10 for XP. DX10 is supposedly only for Longhorn. Nothing else. Therfore i dont think either ATI or Nvidia will jump the gun by that much... however, what could happen is the fall refresh before longhorn they could release a DX10 version card, that is unlikely as they would have to completely redesign the architecture though.
4. There are no tried and true PS3.0 games out yet. Until we have one we wont know whether 2.0b is just as good or not. But what we do know is the SM3.0 is not using all of its features yet.
Also remember that Far Cry 1.2 patch was recalled do to a whole crap load of bugs.
-Kevin
1. Far Cry however graphically intense it is was never built around a SM3.0 code. All that happened was they extended the CryEngines code and added some features. It seems that ATI's 2.0B supports those features while not really supporting all the other new features that Nvidia supports (displacement mapping for instance)
2. The R500 and the NV50 will probably not incorporate DX10. However they will both have SM3.0 paths.
3. I would think that the reason they didn't do AA and AF benches right off the bat are because of optimizations. All AA and AF do is start arguments with fanboys pointing fingers and saying one side cheats. THere is no way to get an accurate representation of who does it for real and who does it more effectively.
3. I dont think microsoft will release DX10 for XP. DX10 is supposedly only for Longhorn. Nothing else. Therfore i dont think either ATI or Nvidia will jump the gun by that much... however, what could happen is the fall refresh before longhorn they could release a DX10 version card, that is unlikely as they would have to completely redesign the architecture though.
4. There are no tried and true PS3.0 games out yet. Until we have one we wont know whether 2.0b is just as good or not. But what we do know is the SM3.0 is not using all of its features yet.
Also remember that Far Cry 1.2 patch was recalled do to a whole crap load of bugs.
-Kevin
I'm sorry for not making my point so apparent, but, read the first line of my post and think about it again. If they are slanted towards nVidia, they wont show the 6800nu being owned by the 9800xt. Owned because its last gen. Suppose they showed the SM2.0 scores of the 6800, and showed it being beaten by a last gen card.....well...thats something that a fanboy wouldnt do. If they were objective, and not biased, they wouldve showed the 6800's SM2.0 score. Then maybe, the 6800 would be "the galaxy" behind the older card.
OTOH, you may be right. But the fact that they kept comparing the 9800xt to the 6800 really makes me think that they are nVidia fanboys.
I'm not an expert on this by any means, but from what I understand DX9 requires 24-bit precision throughout the codepath in order to be fully DX9 compliant in hardware. I'm pretty sure that the NV30 can only run 16-bit precision in many situations. On top of that, from what I understand, the NV30 takes a massive hit when running shaders, which greatly impacts its DX9 performance.
Thats a very ignorant thing to say.
If they were to bench the 6800nu using SM2.0, and the 9800xt beat it even worse, they wouldnt be fanboys. They are fanboys because they didnt show a benchmark that couldve shown the 9800xt (a last gen card) beating a 6800nu (a next/current gen card), and because they kept saying things that would have you believe that the 9800xt and 6800nu are in the same category. That is just stupid. These are things that a fanboy would do: they would only put their side of the story in - only showing benchmarks where "their" brand of card beats the other one. These people are journalists, and it is their job to publish the whole story.
NV30 can run 32-bit precision in all situations. Therefore it is dx9 compliant. It is just slow running 32-bit so you try to run 16-bit where possible.
I didn't say it took 'skill' (perhaps you're attributing someone else's quote to me?), just that it was more complicated.
Certainly both APIs are comparable; there's only so many ways to do 3D rendering.
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