FarCry 1.2 patch - up to 33% improvement for NV40 (w/benchmarks)

[Ackmed]

Brandon from FS said he did in fact copy/paste the DX9.0b wrong, from an earlier templet, and he will fix it soon.

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Another thing that might add to the difference is how the different sites set the AF and Trilinear optimizations. It seems like very few mention in their setup data how they've set those variables. I think all the review sites need to be a bit more detailed in their description of the test parameters.

The AA sounds like a good reason for the differences though, especially since NV tends to get a bigger drop when enabling the AA due to their more comprehensive application in their new cards. (Based on the older FS review where they showed the runway on LOMAC and the 6800 AA'd the entire things while the X800 did not).

-D'oh!

 

[Selso2109]

My rig with my X800XT is still beating those 6800 framrates...... big deal.....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How do you know SM3.0 is not enabled correctly? If it wasnt enabled at all, why are their scores in SM3.0 higher than in SM2.0? What if the DX9.0b is a typo? If its not, then the whole review is invalid.

FS's XT/PE scores are about 2fps higher than Anands on the Volcano level, which is about right for having a faster CPU. But then the 6800U's scores are about 16fps lower?

I would like some clarification if it was a typo on FS's part, or if they just screwed up. Techreports review backs up FS's numbers though.

I'm not saying AT or FS or TR is right or wrong Ackmed, but nobody uses the words "probably" and "think" more than you. I'm not saying your right or wrong. What I'm saying is that YOU don't even know if your right or wrong but still ramble on as if your in the know. What's up? Get outside and breathe some air man. Turn off that PC for the weekend. Just take a long moment to say to yourself, "What the F!@# was I talking about and why do I care so much?".

Anyway, Enjoy the holiday weekend everybody!! Yes, you to Ackmed.

:beer:

 

[ChkSix]

I had to do it. I was so tensed the other day, I completely fudged my posts in the SLI topic. :disgust:

Talk about some needed relaxation. These numbers look quite impressive for the 6800 series so far. Pretty interesting.

 

[DrMindbender]

This might be grasping at straws, but I noticed that firingsquad did not list the speeds for their cards nor if they were 3rd party cards or commercially available versions. It has been noted that ATI and maybe NVIDIA send differently clocked cards to all these review sites.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Selso2109
My rig with my X800XT is still beating those 6800 framrates...... big deal.....

1. youre using a faster cpu
2. probably a different chipset
3. youre not using the 1.2 patch

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DrMindbender
This might be grasping at straws, but I noticed that firingsquad did not list the speeds for their cards nor if they were 3rd party cards or commercially available versions. It has been noted that ATI and maybe NVIDIA send differently clocked cards to all these review sites.

ATi definately did, multiple reviewers commented on it during the initial benches.

 

[BFG10K]

Anand's results are wrong as AA was not enabled:

UPDATE: It has recently come to our attention that our 4xAA/8xAF benchmark numbers for NVIDIA 6800 series cards were incorrect when this article was first published. The control panel was used to set the antialiasing level, which doesn't work with FarCry unless set specifically in the FarCry profile (which was not done here). We appologize for the error, and have updated our graphs and analysis accordingly.

The benchmark graphs have been updated so I suggest you all take another look at them.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How do you know SM3.0 is not enabled correctly? If it wasnt enabled at all, why are their scores in SM3.0 higher than in SM2.0? What if the DX9.0b is a typo? If its not, then the whole review is invalid.

FS's XT/PE scores are about 2fps higher than Anands on the Volcano level, which is about right for having a faster CPU. But then the 6800U's scores are about 16fps lower?

I would like some clarification if it was a typo on FS's part, or if they just screwed up. Techreports review backs up FS's numbers though.

I'm not saying AT or FS or TR is right or wrong Ackmed, but nobody uses the words "probably" and "think" more than you. I'm not saying your right or wrong. What I'm saying is that YOU don't even know if your right or wrong but still ramble on as if your in the know. What's up? Get outside and breathe some air man. Turn off that PC for the weekend. Just take a long moment to say to yourself, "What the F!@# was I talking about and why do I care so much?".

Anyway, Enjoy the holiday weekend everybody!! Yes, you to Ackmed.

:beer:

Dont hate me because I was right.

Who said I care so much, how can you assume something like I dont get outside, or have a life? I didnt even use "probably" or "think" in what you quoted. How was I rambling? I wanted to know if the results were valid, or not. You're telling me to go outside, yet you're inside typing at 7pm on a Friday night? Uh, ok.

Originally posted by: Insomniak
No way this is right. If it was, the image quality differences would be notable. Jaggies would be everywhere in the Nvidia screens.

Sounds like ATi fanboyism to me.

Sounds like.. oh nevermind.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
That would make sense, but the screenshots clearly have AA running (in some form, they dont say the resolution or settings of the screenshots, but it doesnt look bad. Its certainly not 1600x1200 4x8x SSs though.)

I didn't see any AA on the screenshots I viewed at full size (the first three tested levels).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How do you know SM3.0 is not enabled correctly? If it wasnt enabled at all, why are their scores in SM3.0 higher than in SM2.0? What if the DX9.0b is a typo? If its not, then the whole review is invalid.

FS's XT/PE scores are about 2fps higher than Anands on the Volcano level, which is about right for having a faster CPU. But then the 6800U's scores are about 16fps lower?

I would like some clarification if it was a typo on FS's part, or if they just screwed up. Techreports review backs up FS's numbers though.

I'm not saying AT or FS or TR is right or wrong Ackmed, but nobody uses the words "probably" and "think" more than you. I'm not saying your right or wrong. What I'm saying is that YOU don't even know if your right or wrong but still ramble on as if your in the know. What's up? Get outside and breathe some air man. Turn off that PC for the weekend. Just take a long moment to say to yourself, "What the F!@# was I talking about and why do I care so much?".

Anyway, Enjoy the holiday weekend everybody!! Yes, you to Ackmed.

:beer:

Dont hate me because I was right.

Who said I care so much, how can you assume something like I dont get outside, or have a life? I didnt even use "probably" or "think" in what you quoted. How was I rambling? I wanted to know if the results were valid, or not. You're telling me to go outside, yet you're inside typing at 7pm on a Friday night? Uh, ok.

Originally posted by: Insomniak
No way this is right. If it was, the image quality differences would be notable. Jaggies would be everywhere in the Nvidia screens.

Sounds like ATi fanboyism to me.

Sounds like.. oh nevermind.

Ok Ackmed. Your da bomb. Your a legend in your own mind.

 

[Gamingphreek]

We can solve this thread real quick. The review was just updated and they confirmed that they used the control panel and not the other way. So all is swell now

-Kevin

Everyone makes mistakes guys!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
We can solve this thread real quick. The review was just updated and they confirmed that they used the control panel and not the other way. So all is swell now

-Kevin

Everyone makes mistakes guys!!

Yeah, I agree completely! Derek is taking heat in every forum I visit, and you'd think the people engaging in the bashing would remember all the great work he has done in the past instead of acting like he just created the China Syndrome or somethin' :disgust:

 

[Ackmed]

Maybe because he only half fixed it? Sure hes done some good work in the past, but also some bad work.

Both of our custom benchmarks show ATI cards leading without anisotropic filtering and antialiasing enabled, with NVIDIA taking over when the options are enabled

Obviously thats not true, but it is still in the final words. Why not fix the whole review?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Maybe because he only half fixed it? Sure hes done some good work in the past, but also some bad work.

Both of our custom benchmarks show ATI cards leading without anisotropic filtering and antialiasing enabled, with NVIDIA taking over when the options are enabled

Obviously thats not true, but it is still in the final words. Why not fix the whole review?

anand said they updated the graphs, and in areas where there is complex shaders being used SM3 still gives a big increase.

"We appologize for the error, and have updated our graphs and analysis accordingly.

 

[Ackmed]

So? What he said in his Final Words is not right. As anyone can see, when AA/AF are enabled, nVidia is not ahead as they still claim.

 

[imported_Amuro]

This 1.2 patch is just the beginning. According to CryTek, the 1.3 patch will include even more SM3.0 shaders and performance gains, probably some eye candies too.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So? What he said in his Final Words is not right. As anyone can see, when AA/AF are enabled, nVidia is not ahead as they still claim.

Maybe you should contact him and ask him to change his wording to your liking.

 

[Ackmed]

Its not changing to my liking, its changing to be factual.

 

[Acanthus]

Make your own review site Ackmed so you can do everything perfect and not get criticized by anyone.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Make your own review site Ackmed so you can do everything perfect and not get criticized by anyone.

LOL!! AckmedTech

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So? What he said in his Final Words is not right. As anyone can see, when AA/AF are enabled, nVidia is not ahead as they still claim.

in complex shader scenes(such as in regulator), they are. the 6800gt even still beats the x800xt.

plus keep in mind in the 1.2 patch few sm3 shaders are used...this is a patch giving some sm3 functionality in computing complex shaders to a game written for sm2...

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So? What he said in his Final Words is not right. As anyone can see, when AA/AF are enabled, nVidia is not ahead as they still claim.

in complex shader scenes(such as in regulator), they are. the 6800gt even still beats the x800xt.

plus keep in mind in the 1.2 patch few sm3 shaders are used...this is a patch giving some sm3 functionality in computing complex shaders to a game written for sm2...

The GT does not beat the X800XT in Regulator. I dont know what you're looking at.

Airstrip
XT/PE: 59.4
6800U: 45.9

Pro44.9
GT:40.7

Mangoriver
XT/PE: 51.3
6800U: 49.9

Pro: 42.3
GT: 39.2

That is at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF.

Clearly the statement of "Both of our custom benchmarks show ATI cards leading without anisotropic filtering and antialiasing enabled, with NVIDIA taking over when the options are enabled." is not true. So why leave it? Almost a 15fps lead for the XT/PE, and this statement says nVidia is "taking over"?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So? What he said in his Final Words is not right. As anyone can see, when AA/AF are enabled, nVidia is not ahead as they still claim.

in complex shader scenes(such as in regulator), they are. the 6800gt even still beats the x800xt.

plus keep in mind in the 1.2 patch few sm3 shaders are used...this is a patch giving some sm3 functionality in computing complex shaders to a game written for sm2...

The GT does not beat the X800XT in Regulator. I dont know what you're looking at.

Airstrip
XT/PE: 59.4
6800U: 45.9

Pro44.9
GT:40.7

Mangoriver
XT/PE: 51.3
6800U: 49.9

Pro: 42.3
GT: 39.2

That is at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF.

Clearly the statement of "Both of our custom benchmarks show ATI cards leading without anisotropic filtering and antialiasing enabled, with NVIDIA taking over when the options are enabled." is not true. So why leave it? Almost a 15fps lead for the XT/PE, and this statement says nVidia is "taking over"?

my mistake, it was research in sm3 where the gt got 70 fps and the xtp 69.6 without AA in 1600x1200

with AA and AF at 1600x1200 the xtp got 49.3 to the gt's 39.7

it seems like in complex shading the 6800 card 3 rungs down from the top hangs in there with the top of the line ATI card pretty decently!

i am glad i have one