Fanboy collector thread poll

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I agree wholeheartedly.

What can we do to curb the rampant problems of "bias" (AKA "having an opinion") and "fanboyism" (AKA "having an opinion")

It's true! These "fanboys" have been known to go to such lengths as post opinions which disagree with ours and employ loathsome "parody" and "satire" in their rambling rhetoric!

It's shocking! Why in my day, we all thought alike, and no one EVER voiced a dissenting opinion! It just wasn't done!

Are there no gendarmes, is there no rule of law?

Mark my words, when people can voice widely disparate opinions in whatever manner of speaking they wish, the inmates will rule the asylum!

I call for a return to order, and vote for Duvie as mod. 😉

LOL!!!!

You guys can be assured I am not a fanboy of Nvidia or ATi...Why??? Cause I dont know sh^t about game playing, and the inner workings of vid crards...pixel shaders??? HDR?? Huh??? I know nothing about this....

What I do know is what I see in terms of product launches and reviews by the sites I respect....I make my opinions on those factors..Throw in some commonsense and shake it up and I guess that makes me a fanboy..for what side I dont know, cause I will bash Nvidia from time to time as well...

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I agree wholeheartedly.

What can we do to curb the rampant problems of "bias" (AKA "having an opinion") and "fanboyism" (AKA "having an opinion")

It's true! These "fanboys" have been known to go to such lengths as post opinions which disagree with ours and employ loathsome "parody" and "satire" in their rambling rhetoric!

It's shocking! Why in my day, we all thought alike, and no one EVER voiced a dissenting opinion! It just wasn't done!

Are there no gendarmes, is there no rule of law?

Mark my words, when people can voice widely disparate opinions in whatever manner of speaking they wish, the inmates will rule the asylum!

I call for a return to order, and vote for Duvie as mod. 😉

Rollo, you are smart enough to know that expressing a dissenting opinion is a far cry from what we are referring to here as fanboy trolling.

I'm about || close to blocking video.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: ronnn
What will suffer is frequency of visits. I think you need debate to keep people interested, and get high numbers. When I have hardware (vid card related) problems, I usually find the answer quicker at Driverheaven as they do have a separate forum for ati and nvidia. But they do not get the numbers or the info (rumours), interpretations on new products. Than there is b3d which has debate and good solid moderation. Flamings starts thread closed. Not sure about the numbers, but they sure get the info. Will be hard to change, but worth it.

Yeah but the problem is there is so much misinformation & flat out lying it is ridiculous.

I would just go for more opinion and less of the attacks on someone's intelligence and etc. Anyways likely not much will change -

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Rollo, you are smart enough to know that expressing a dissenting opinion is a far cry from what we are referring to here as fanboy trolling.

I'm about || close to blocking video.

If you're talking about the senseless spam posts, threats, and "My video cards pwnz you all" posts we've seen lately, I agree, they are a waste of space and time.

If you're talking about something like my satiric poll of the spectacular failures, I disagree because we are hobbyists, and the poll (inspired by a recent spectacular blunder) inspired a lot of lively conversation, exchange of ideas, and discussion of computer hardware, old and new.

The problem with bringing censorship into the mix when nothing patently harmful like "hate speech" (i.e. maligning someone's ethnicity or sexuality) is involved is you put someone in a fairly impossible role of censor.

There are several on this board who would rather I never post again.

There are several who would rather I only post only the insider info that comes my way and the helpful benchmarks.

There are several who find my "wit" entertaining from time to time, and probably some of dubious character who would prefer a return to the days I let the "poison pen" have free reign if someone annoyed me. (which I have promised our gracious moderators will never happen in return for my continued existence in your esteemed company)

Who's to say who's right? Mob rule a la' "Lord of the Flies"? It's a hard path to go down.

We all have things we'd rather not see, but it's a public forum and we can't make everyone as smart as us. 😉

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

I'm about || close to blocking video.[/quote]

I have been feeling the same way - so am trying to moderate myself and block out the noise with good thoughts. Downside is some poster, I have quit reading - but don't think I am missing much. Hopefully I will last more than a week at this or as they say, "time to get a life".

 

[Hacp]

Fanboys twist things in the favor of their favorite company 100% of the time. People who have opnions actually have opinions that are thieirs, not that of certain companies.

Rollo no matter what will say , "ya Nvidia is on top."
Morph will say, "ATI roxxor all."
And apple fanboys will say, "M$ suckxorz."

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Fanboys twist things in the favor of their favorite company 100% of the time. People who have opnions actually have opinions that are thieirs, not that of certain companies.

Rollo no matter what will say , "ya Nvidia is on top."
Morph will say, "ATI roxxor all."
And apple fanboys will say, "M$ suckxorz."

Certainly is sometimes more about how you say it.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: tk109

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
I agree, 2 seperate forums, ati and nvidia

That's actually a great idea. This needs to be implemented.

LOL, they haven't even split programming from Software forum. That is even more nescessary than this, and it has been well over a year now.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I agree wholeheartedly.

What can we do to curb the rampant problems of "bias" (AKA "having an opinion") and "fanboyism" (AKA "having an opinion")

It's true! These "fanboys" have been known to go to such lengths as post opinions which disagree with ours and employ loathsome "parody" and "satire" in their rambling rhetoric!

It's shocking! Why in my day, we all thought alike, and no one EVER voiced a dissenting opinion! It just wasn't done!

Are there no gendarmes, is there no rule of law?

Mark my words, when people can voice widely disparate opinions in whatever manner of speaking they wish, the inmates will rule the asylum!

I call for a return to order, and vote for Duvie as mod. 😉

Very entertaining, and you totaly missed the point. The idea is not stop anyone from posting, but to have a proper forum for those posts. You are welcome to take out a full page add in the New York Times expounding virtues of iNvida Rollo, but I don't have to read it. Thats all I'd like to see here, an easy way to skip over the adds and get to the things that interest me.
I run iNvida and ATI video cards, most of the time they both work fine, but once in a while one of them will have an issue and I'll come here looking for information, and once in a while I have some info to share. Having a hardware fourm and a fanboy forum would make exchanging information a lot simpler.
I'll even start a "Rollo for Fanboy mod" campaign so you can run it and make sure all companys are properly represented.

 

[jiffylube1024]

All I can say is that sometime over the past year or so, from what I've observed, Video has become sort of like a zoo, or the island from Escape from LA.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Video has always been pretty bad. While i agree that it has been particularly bad of late, its getting better. Also, many of you have not been here long AT ALL. I remember the posts back in Geforce 2/3/4 era. Then when the Geforce FX and the 9700Pro came out was when things began this plumit.

Additionally, this is NOT the place to post this poll. While it was intended for good use and to help; this will do no good. People will not change and suddenly "see the light" or anything.

Furthermore, this topic has already been discussed thouroughly.

#1. We need people in this forum for revenue. People stop coming==forum stop working.
#2. Fanboys have no violated ANYTHING in the TOS. While they can be annoying (and toe the line when not providing any sources or information) they technically have not violated any rules, and are entitled to their own opinion. While this may not sit well with us logical folk 😛... they are entitled to their opinion just as we are with ours.
#3. With no conflicting views, do you realize how DULL this would be. What is the point of a forum where EVERYONE agrees on the same exact thing.
#4. Splitting the Video forum into ATI/Nvidia is not going to do anything. If anything it is going to cause more problems, more misposts, more trolling, more confusion (need i go on).

I think the best idea right now is either:

A. Mini-Mods:
a. For those who dont know i suggested it a while back and people liked it. A few people (perhaps 5 total, 2 supporting Nvidia, 2 Supporting ATI, and some.......other person 😛) will be granted VERY LIMITED mod powers... this is for EACH forum (Video, CPU etc). Including: Ability to lock threads. Ability to edit posts. Ability to give VERY SHORT TERM vacations (only with 3/5 approval on that group). Any abuse of that power will lead to sever punishment by our own excellent moderators. This way, it takes some strain off of the mods.
b. get more mods

Personally i think things are beginning to quiet down now, so we will have to wait and see how everything plays out.

I think i covered everything. But again, while i know this thread was for the best intentions, posting it (and posting it here) is not wise.

-Kevin

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Very entertaining, and you totaly missed the point. The idea is not stop anyone from posting, but to have a proper forum for those posts. You are welcome to take out a full page add in the New York Times expounding virtues of iNvida Rollo, but I don't have to read it. Thats all I'd like to see here, an easy way to skip over the adds and get to the things that interest me.
I run iNvida and ATI video cards, most of the time they both work fine, but once in a while one of them will have an issue and I'll come here looking for information, and once in a while I have some info to share. Having a hardware fourm and a fanboy forum would make exchanging information a lot simpler.
I'll even start a "Rollo for Fanboy mod" campaign so you can run it and make sure all companys are properly represented.

Ironically, I think your post is a prime example of the the trash talking nonsense that people are tired of?

I mean seriously, what did you even say there that meant anything besides to bash someone.

 

[imported_Rampage]

I think things are fair now, I dont like the idea of bringing in more mods, or mini mods.. it doesnt need to be a police state..

this is just a forum. If you dont want to participate or read it.. dont reply, or dont click on a thread in the first place.

I think the current mods do a great job, and concentrate on the real problem areas, like how that Intellia/Turtle guy got banned. That was a worthy endeavor.

Start adding in all these mini mods and more mods, you are going to have unfair mods.. period. More people = more opinion = more censorship of others ideas.
Its inevitable. And I dont think either "side" wants that, nor do the people who are in the middle when they say something that irks a "mini mod" or one of a dozen full fledged mods who are watching.

I think you are asking for maybe more than you really want, as far as censorship.
Only the most bland, most sterile posts will exist in time.

I ask questions here when I need answers, and I get them. Its also a nice place to genuinely discuss hardware still, IMO.
If you dont feel like fighting with someone you disagree with.. just quit posting in the thread.. its not really that hard.

I've done it alot and theres no "dishonor" in backing out of an online flame fest.

Needless to say, doing these things.. I'm content with the current system. It works fine, just (like anythign else in life) requires discipline and self control.

Of course not everyone can live up to that all the time, and thats fine.. at least when you do cross the line in the current state of things, you typically dont get mobbed by a bunch of zip popping "mini mods".. woot to that idea :thumbsdown:

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

A. Mini-Mods:
a. For those who dont know i suggested it a while back and people liked it. A few people (perhaps 5 total, 2 supporting Nvidia, 2 Supporting ATI, and some.......other person 😛) will be granted VERY LIMITED mod powers

I already know who you're thinking of and frankly I don't think it's a good idea 😉 . I don't think taking sides (even if it's both) is the right answer here.

I would say it would be better (if implementing this plan at all) to try to get impartial people for the job. Better yet, people who don't usually frequent video (or have been turned off it as of late) to moderate. Implementing '2 ATI mods, 2 Nvidia mods' will just result in a lot of closed threads and a lot of mischief...

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: ronnn
What will suffer is frequency of visits. I think you need debate to keep people interested, and get high numbers. When I have hardware (vid card related) problems, I usually find the answer quicker at Driverheaven as they do have a separate forum for ati and nvidia. But they do not get the numbers or the info (rumours), interpretations on new products. Than there is b3d which has debate and good solid moderation. Flamings starts thread closed. Not sure about the numbers, but they sure get the info. Will be hard to change, but worth it.

Yeah but the problem is there is so much misinformation & flat out lying it is ridiculous.

I would just go for more opinion and less of the attacks on someone's intelligence and etc. Anyways likely not much will change -

Exactly,and Rollo it's good to see you once again twisting peoples' statements to fit your agenda. I was also disappointed with Kevin & southpawuni's comments in this matter as well. You may have seen worse & you may have been her for a long time guys, but that doesn't mean what he's saying isn't right. You can't even get information in this board anymore because it is all rumors, lies, and biased opinions.

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Video has always been pretty bad. While i agree that it has been particularly bad of late, its getting better. Also, many of you have not been here long AT ALL. I remember the posts back in Geforce 2/3/4 era. Then when the Geforce FX and the 9700Pro came out was when things began this plumit.

Additionally, this is NOT the place to post this poll. While it was intended for good use and to help; this will do no good. People will not change and suddenly "see the light" or anything.

Well, forum issues isn't the place either. And FWIW, this poll was meant with humour and the hopes that perhaps some of the offenders with a bit more sense may be gently reminded that they should really calm down a bit. The idea was never meant to be taken too seriously, but maybe you are correct and I am just pouring fuel on the fire.

I have been here that long. Long enough to remember the original Radeon vs geForce flamewars (nothing compared to today's idiotfests IMO), and while I haven't been the most active member, I've always come back to the video forum here because among the trash there was a reasonable amount of real info. Lately the S/N ratio has really plumetted. Of course this happens to some degree with any major hardware release. But it's been going on far too long. I even find the stuff amusing sometimes. People are right, a certain amount does generate traffic, but when does it stop feeling like a hardware forum?

Perhaps i'm just a sad nostalgic nerd who remembers the good old days - it's true that no general hardware site is anything like it once was - but what's the harm in reminding people that it does detract from the experience of a good portion of users.

If I was to take this more seriously than it deserves, I like the idea of mini-vacations. If members are flaming each other, replying reflexively to posts, a 3 hour vacation might even do the trick. Taking away a squirt gun stops a water fight dead in its tracks right?

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I agree with Greenman, this forum is ruined by the fanboy losers. I used to participate in here far more than I used to.

We need a P&N for Video.

pretty much how I feel too.
I've almost stopped posting in Video since those first disputed X1800 benchmarks came out.

Most of my posts go into GPU Coolers and TV Tuners in Video these days.

Even the Kyro 2 thread turned into fanboy warfare. Perhaps we need an IQ and loyalty test before people are allowed to post here.

 

[malG]

You guys have seen nothing...wait till Oct 5 when the X1800XT Press Edition is released. There'll be a huge gang bang when people realize there's no availability of the said part 😉

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
#1. We need people in this forum for revenue. People stop coming==forum stop working.
-Kevin

This is an interesting point.

If ATs revenue is partly generated on hit counts for advertisers (is it?) some of the "fan boy" threads are pretty good business?

Look at my "Spectacular Failure" thread:3430 reads so far. Apparently people are interested in controversial topics?

Now look at a forum where they have very little of the controversy like Firing Squad. Hear the crickets chirp.

I like FS, and post there, but very few threads there get more than 20-30 replies, and a lot don't get that.

In general, it seems for the most part spirited debate fuels reads and posts, where forums like AT, H, R3d succeed.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Exactly,and Rollo it's good to see you once again twisting peoples' statements to fit your agenda. I was also disappointed with Kevin & southpawuni's comments in this matter as well. You may have seen worse & you may have been her for a long time guys, but that doesn't mean what he's saying isn't right. You can't even get information in this board anymore because it is all rumors, lies, and biased opinions.

Really? No info?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1690077&enterthread=y
I could have posted that weeks before anyone else did, but the person who gave me the info asked that I give ATI the benefit of the doubt and see if they actually went through with it? Where's my "aganda" there? I could have scooped the net with "Flame On" but let ATI hang themselves and the press report it.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1676468&enterthread=y
Here, I did scoop the net and you guys know about the upcoming shimmer reducing/eliminating drivers before anyone else in the world.

If you sort through my massive posts here you'll find Doom3 benches before the game was released, SM3 benches on Far Cry before the drivers were released, 6800NU SLI benches when only one other site on the web had them, 6800NU benches before people had them, comparisons of many video cards and SLI rigs, on and on. (not to mention the multitude of links to other interesting articles about cards)

I work pretty hard to bring you guys what tidbits I can, and I don't think the fact I've been pretty disappointed in ATIs hardware the last year and a half diminishes that.

I even bought and used a X800XT PE for a few months, posted that I liked it a lot, when I knew I'd be going SLI within a month or two and have no need of it.

So you can rant about my "agenda" all you like Prodigy- but while you're doing so please:
1. Give me links to the "useful information" you've posted that compares to mine
2. Give me links to the poster here who's "useful information" eclipses mine?

You've called me out a few times, I'm prepared to take a day off work if need be and sift through my 1000s of posts and list in order the "useful info" I bring to this board.

I'm a little tired of people like you hissing "biased" at me, when from what I've seen, your own contribution here doesn't come close to comparing. If I decide "Screw this, ingrates" are you going to fill the void I leave?

I am NOT saying I'm better than anyone, I AM saying I've worked hard enough and supplied enough "useful information" here to be at least allowed to exist in peace as a contributing member of the community without guys like you constantly attacking me.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I agree with Greenman, this forum is ruined by the fanboy losers. I used to participate in here far more than I used to.

We need a P&N for Video.

pretty much how I feel too.
I've almost stopped posting in Video since those first disputed X1800 benchmarks came out.

Most of my posts go into GPU Coolers and TV Tuners in Video these days.

Even the Kyro 2 thread turned into fanboy warfare. Perhaps we need an IQ and loyalty test before people are allowed to post here.

I second that motion & also choose to ignore's Rollo's 5 paragraph essay on why what I said was wrong, and why everyone should agree with him. Don't waste your breath man, you're holding on too tight.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
I second that motion & also choose to ignore's Rollo's 5 paragraph essay on why what I said was wrong, and why everyone should agree with him. Don't waste your breath man, you're holding on too tight.

Short version:
It's wrong to be prejudiced against a poster without considering the whole body of his or her work.

It doesn't surprise me you ignore it, what could your response possibly be that would put your behavior in a favorable light?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: malG
You guys have seen nothing...wait till Oct 5 when the X1800XT Press Edition is released. There'll be a huge gang bang when people realize there's no availability of the said part 😉

lol nice post man, hopefully i wont have enough internet access to get burned in the ensuing fire, or worse ass rammed in the furious e-penis fight to the death

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I agree with Greenman, this forum is ruined by the fanboy losers. I used to participate in here far more than I used to.

We need a P&N for Video.

pretty much how I feel too.
I've almost stopped posting in Video since those first disputed X1800 benchmarks came out.

Most of my posts go into GPU Coolers and TV Tuners in Video these days.

Even the Kyro 2 thread turned into fanboy warfare. Perhaps we need an IQ and loyalty test before people are allowed to post here.

I second that motion & also choose to ignore's Rollo's 5 paragraph essay on why what I said was wrong, and why everyone should agree with him. Don't waste your breath man, you're holding on too tight.

is that because the truth hurts?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: malG
You guys have seen nothing...wait till Oct 5 when the X1800XT Press Edition is released. There'll be a huge gang bang when people realize there's no availability of the said part 😉

lol nice post man, hopefully i wont have enough internet access to get burned in the ensuing fire, or worse ass rammed in the furious e-penis fight to the death

lol...:laugh: