I am genetically dispositioned for schizophrenia...my uncle got it really bad from Vietnam...did about two hours of research after seeing this thread...conclusion is there is no solid link but its too risky to be ignored...I quit starting today. Thanks ATOT 
Vic
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- Jun 12, 2001
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Amazing trollbait thread
If in fact laced marijuana did do this to your friend (highly unlikely), it would be all the more reason to legalize and regulate it. First, so doses could be monitored. Second, so individuals who are predisposed to mental illness, like your friend, can be kept away from do drugs.
The current drug prohibition doesn't help, it hinders.
If in fact laced marijuana did do this to your friend (highly unlikely), it would be all the more reason to legalize and regulate it. First, so doses could be monitored. Second, so individuals who are predisposed to mental illness, like your friend, can be kept away from do drugs.
The current drug prohibition doesn't help, it hinders.
Schizophrenia is a major mental disorder with characteristic psychotic or positive symptoms, like delusions, hallucinations and disordered thought patterns. During the active phase of the illness, and negative symptoms (such as lack of logic or will) evident following psychotic episodes. The onset is generally between late adolescence and the mid-thirties. The prognosis varies, although complete remission is uncommon.
According to the DSM, schizophrenia is diagnosed if symptoms last for am minimum of six months. So your friend can't possibly be schizophrenic...
Edit - Or not yet atleast. A smart doctor wouldnt diagnos him just yet.
Schizophrenia is a biological illness characterized by abnormalities in the brain structure and chemistry but influenced by environment and stress. Its common in families and is believed to be hereditary.
It's not common for a person to develop schizophrenia from drug use, however it had been a known substance to induce it if the person is meant to developed it as some stage in his or her life.
There is also a disorder called "Schizophrenia Disorder which is very similar to Schizophrenia. Treatment is the same and the diagnosis is the same, only after six months of two or more negative as well as positive symptoms that show.
Personally, it sounds as if your friend has developed Bipolar. PCP is a major onset for Bipolar. But it could be these are the early stages of schizophrenia.
Weed is only known for things like anxiety disorder. There aren't enough studies nor proof to say Weed onsets Schizophrenia. What kind of doctor did that family bring him to see... I'd get a refund for my money. It could be very dangerous for him to be treated for schizophrenia when he in fact doesn't not suffer from it. The medications alone could cause him to be schizophrenic.
Over all I'd suggest for this family to do some research before trusting who ever diagnosed him.
According to the DSM, schizophrenia is diagnosed if symptoms last for am minimum of six months. So your friend can't possibly be schizophrenic...
Edit - Or not yet atleast. A smart doctor wouldnt diagnos him just yet.
Schizophrenia is a biological illness characterized by abnormalities in the brain structure and chemistry but influenced by environment and stress. Its common in families and is believed to be hereditary.
It's not common for a person to develop schizophrenia from drug use, however it had been a known substance to induce it if the person is meant to developed it as some stage in his or her life.
There is also a disorder called "Schizophrenia Disorder which is very similar to Schizophrenia. Treatment is the same and the diagnosis is the same, only after six months of two or more negative as well as positive symptoms that show.
Personally, it sounds as if your friend has developed Bipolar. PCP is a major onset for Bipolar. But it could be these are the early stages of schizophrenia.
Weed is only known for things like anxiety disorder. There aren't enough studies nor proof to say Weed onsets Schizophrenia. What kind of doctor did that family bring him to see... I'd get a refund for my money. It could be very dangerous for him to be treated for schizophrenia when he in fact doesn't not suffer from it. The medications alone could cause him to be schizophrenic.
Over all I'd suggest for this family to do some research before trusting who ever diagnosed him.
I told you so.
In other news, Special K turned me into a cereal killer once. But I feel much better now.
After working at the NIMH for the past year and a half and doing neuroimaging on schizophrenics, I have come to one conclusion about the brain:
We dont fully understand how it works.
Choosing sides on pot=good or pot=bad is kinda useless as we cant really say with 100 percent certainty what it does to us. I mean, we arent even sure how our brains are able to retain such vast amounts of information and how we encode that information. Our lack of understanding of such basic things(I think) really prevents us from being able to say if anything is good or bad per se for the old noggin. It seems as if we all just let things go for a little bit and if it doesnt kill then we just accept it as good for the time being until proven otherwise.
There are some areas of the brain that we have totally figured out like V1 and much of the visual cortex, but then there's the rest of the brain on the cellular level and the molecular biology within the neurons...
We're always finding out some new things about the brain so it's still fuzzy.
My group seems to think that some people have a slight genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, but they havent linked all of the multiple genes together that could possibly interact and account for their theory of schizophrenia's polygenic origins.
Regarding drug use:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but tinkering with something you dont really understand has never made much sense to me. Sure, some people have probably smoked pot forever and a day with no outward neurological deficits, but I wouldnt use that as my sole scientific justification for playing with my neurochemistry. Maybe I'm just a wuss, but i'd rather play it safe.
For the dude with the buddy and the schizophrenic episode:
He may or may not have "schizophrenia" per se. I'm no physician and cant speak to diagnoses or how long tranquilizers stay in your bloodstream, but I do know that your brain makes some pretty decent(possibly long-lasting) changes to itself when you start messing around with drugs. For all you know, your buddy might still be suffering from the tranquilizers.
In psychiatry, I've found that psychiatrists are always modifying their diagnoses as they spend more and more time with the patient.
Hopefully, your buddy will clear up in the coming months and his delusions and/or hallucinations will go into remission.
If not, then the outlook could be pretty grim with psychiatrists playing with his neurochemical balance for the rest of his life.
If you guys wanna read more about my group's attempt to link neuroimaging genomics and schizophrenia, then PM me and I will send you articles in PDF format. I get them here at the NIMH for free.
In the meantime, you can start by reading this page:
<Insert shameless plug here>
We dont fully understand how it works.
Choosing sides on pot=good or pot=bad is kinda useless as we cant really say with 100 percent certainty what it does to us. I mean, we arent even sure how our brains are able to retain such vast amounts of information and how we encode that information. Our lack of understanding of such basic things(I think) really prevents us from being able to say if anything is good or bad per se for the old noggin. It seems as if we all just let things go for a little bit and if it doesnt kill then we just accept it as good for the time being until proven otherwise.
There are some areas of the brain that we have totally figured out like V1 and much of the visual cortex, but then there's the rest of the brain on the cellular level and the molecular biology within the neurons...
We're always finding out some new things about the brain so it's still fuzzy.
My group seems to think that some people have a slight genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, but they havent linked all of the multiple genes together that could possibly interact and account for their theory of schizophrenia's polygenic origins.
Regarding drug use:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but tinkering with something you dont really understand has never made much sense to me. Sure, some people have probably smoked pot forever and a day with no outward neurological deficits, but I wouldnt use that as my sole scientific justification for playing with my neurochemistry. Maybe I'm just a wuss, but i'd rather play it safe.
For the dude with the buddy and the schizophrenic episode:
He may or may not have "schizophrenia" per se. I'm no physician and cant speak to diagnoses or how long tranquilizers stay in your bloodstream, but I do know that your brain makes some pretty decent(possibly long-lasting) changes to itself when you start messing around with drugs. For all you know, your buddy might still be suffering from the tranquilizers.
In psychiatry, I've found that psychiatrists are always modifying their diagnoses as they spend more and more time with the patient.
Hopefully, your buddy will clear up in the coming months and his delusions and/or hallucinations will go into remission.
If not, then the outlook could be pretty grim with psychiatrists playing with his neurochemical balance for the rest of his life.
If you guys wanna read more about my group's attempt to link neuroimaging genomics and schizophrenia, then PM me and I will send you articles in PDF format. I get them here at the NIMH for free.
In the meantime, you can start by reading this page:
<Insert shameless plug here>
You can never be sure what you get.
Marijuana might not be so bad, but it's rare that you don't get more than just grass in today's joints.
Marijuana might not be so bad, but it's rare that you don't get more than just grass in today's joints.
Please change your title, it is very misleading.
Oh, and I love the forums late at night. It seems the threads always end up with useful information, much less flaming.
Oh, and I love the forums late at night.
It seems the threads always end up with useful information, much less flaming. Oh yeh, I interrupted the flame war.
Sorry guys, excuse my post and please continue flaming each other.
Sorry guys, excuse my post and please continue flaming each other.
Originally posted by: Sust
Oh yeh, I interrupted the flame war.
Sorry guys, excuse my post and please continue flaming each other.
You had absolutely no right introducing facts into a flame war. Flame wars should include only assumptions, conjecture, and accusations.
I hope you learned your lesson.
N8Magic
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It may have already been said before in this thread, but:
This is precisely why marijuana needs to be legalized and controlled by the government in much the same way as alcohol and tobacco.
Marijuana will not hurt you on it's own, but when you buy it off the street from someone you don't know... who knows what you're going to get.
This is precisely why marijuana needs to be legalized and controlled by the government in much the same way as alcohol and tobacco.
Marijuana will not hurt you on it's own, but when you buy it off the street from someone you don't know... who knows what you're going to get.
Yack conjecture this yack speculation that.....
It's not as complicated as some of you yackboons think. A yack boon is a yacking baboon, I made that up. i had to explain that for you high folks. Not that you'll get it even after the explanation.
I don't get it? Pics?
Ok so here it is in a nutshell. Mary Jane won't make you schizo, it's repeated use won't make you schizo either. What it will do is make you dumb as a rock.
Now I know what you weed advocates are saying. BOO! I know so and so and he smoked pot on a regular basis and he's the smartest mofo I know. I know this because I haven't fried my brain yet. It came damaged in shipping, but it still works. Spare me your pathetic attempts to rationalize your puffy the brain slayer habits:
Show me a smart person that smoked weed on a regular basis and I'll show you someone who could've been even smarter.
The End.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Nefgramming.
It's not as complicated as some of you yackboons think. A yack boon is a yacking baboon, I made that up. i had to explain that for you high folks. Not that you'll get it even after the explanation.
I don't get it? Pics?
Ok so here it is in a nutshell. Mary Jane won't make you schizo, it's repeated use won't make you schizo either. What it will do is make you dumb as a rock.
Now I know what you weed advocates are saying. BOO! I know so and so and he smoked pot on a regular basis and he's the smartest mofo I know. I know this because I haven't fried my brain yet. It came damaged in shipping, but it still works. Spare me your pathetic attempts to rationalize your puffy the brain slayer habits:
Show me a smart person that smoked weed on a regular basis and I'll show you someone who could've been even smarter.
The End.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Nefgramming.
this is funny, the thread starts off with some guy smoking weed laced with something and then the guy goes whacko. Then about halfway through the thread changes and starts to talk about how people need to learn how to spell
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