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Families Pay the Price

BBond

Diamond Member
Families Pay the Price

By BOB HERBERT

Published: December 24, 2004

"It's like watching your son playing in traffic, and there's nothing you can do." - Janet Bellows, mother of a soldier who has been assigned to a second tour in Iraq.

Back in the 1960's, when it seemed as if every other draftee in the Army was being sent to Vietnam, I was sent off to Korea, where I was assigned to the intelligence office of an engineer battalion.

Twenty years old and half a world away from home, I looked forward to mail call the way junkies craved their next fix. My teenage sister, Sandy, got all of her high school girlfriends to write to me, which led some of the guys in my unit to think I was some kind of Don Juan. I considered it impolite to correct any misconceptions they might have had.

You could depend on the mail for an emotional lift - most of the time. But there were times when I would open an envelope and read, in the inky handwriting of my mother or father or sister, that a friend of mine, someone I had grown up with or gone to school with, or a new friend I had met in the Army, had been killed in Vietnam. Just like that. Gone. Life over at 18, 19, 20.

I can still remember the weird feelings that would come over me in those surreal moments, including the irrational idea that I was somehow responsible for the death. In the twisted logic of grief, I would feel that if I had never opened the envelope, the person would still be alive. I remember being overwhelmed with the desire to reseal the letter in the envelope and bring my dead friend back to life.

This week's hideous attack in Mosul reminded me of those long ago days. Once again American troops sent on a fool's errand are coming home in coffins, or without their right arms or left legs, or paralyzed, or so messed up mentally they'll never be the same. Troops are being shoved two or three times into the furnace of Iraq by astonishingly incompetent leaders who have been unable or unwilling to provide them with the proper training, adequate equipment or even a clearly defined mission.

It is a mind-boggling tragedy. And the suffering goes far beyond the men and women targeted by the insurgents. Each death in Iraq blows a hole in a family and sets off concentric circles of grief that touch everyone else who knew and cared for the fallen soldier. If the human stakes were understood well enough by the political leaders of this country, it might make them a little more reluctant to launch foolish, unnecessary and ultimately unwinnable wars.

Lisa Hoffman and Annette Rainville of the Scripps Howard News Service have reported, in an extremely moving article, that nearly 900 American children have lost a parent to the war in Iraq. More than 40 fathers died without seeing their babies.

The article begins with a description of a deeply sad 4-year-old named Jack Shanaberger, whose father was killed in an ambush in March. Jack told his mother he didn't want to be a father when he grew up. "I don't want to be a daddy," he said, "because daddies die."

Six female soldiers who died in the war left a total of 10 children. This is a new form of wartime heartbreak for the U.S.

We have completely lost our way with this fiasco in Iraq. The president seems almost perversely out of touch. "The idea of democracy taking hold in what was a place of tyranny and hatred and destruction is such a hopeful moment in the history of the world," he said this week.

The truth, of course, is that we can't even secure the road to the Baghdad airport, or protect our own troops lining up for lunch inside a military compound. The coming elections are a slapstick version of democracy. International observers won't even go to Iraq to monitor the elections because it's too dangerous. They'll be watching, as if through binoculars, from Jordan.

Nobody has a plan. We don't have enough troops to secure the country, and the Iraqi forces have shown neither the strength nor the will to do it themselves. Election officials are being murdered in the streets. The insurgency is growing in both strength and sophistication. At least three more marines and one soldier were killed yesterday, ensuring the grimmest of holidays for their families and loved ones.

One of the things that President Bush might consider while on his current vacation is whether there are any limits to the price our troops should be prepared to pay for his misadventure in Iraq, or whether the suffering and dying will simply go on indefinitely.


 
my dad was stationed in almagordo, new mexico during vietnam. he has alot of remorse for having not gone "to help his buddies out." but i'm glad he didn't as i may not exist if he had. he also told my little brother that he's glad he (my brother) didn't go to iraq, and that it's ok. it's strange to me why these idealistic kids volunteer for this kind of stuff, but i can also understand feeling that you didn't do your part to keep your friends safe.
 
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

Why don't you say that during one of Rips numerous opinion-biased articles? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

:cookie:
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

The unemotional Christian? Is that who you are?

You can agree with murderous wars but not with abortion? Maybe the men and women who are dying wanted to have kids .. does that matter to you?

Seems like Bush's war is a strange type of abortion .. it aborts PARENTS
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

The unemotional Christian? Is that who you are?

You can agree with murderous wars but not with abortion? Maybe the men and women who are dying wanted to have kids .. does that matter to you?

Seems like Bush's war is a strange type of abortion .. it aborts PARENTS



Slippery Slope argument. Rejected.
 
Originally posted by: cobalt
Why don't you say that during one of Rips numerous opinion-biased articles? :roll:
I can only hope that calling out a member of the forums who is of the conservative persuasion warrants a ban as readily as when someone calls out a liberal. At least when Rip posts something, it has some factual basis. BBond just Googles his latest anti-Bush issue and posts the first result he can find, as long as it has no factual basis.
 
BBond just Googles his latest anti-Bush issue and posts the first result he can find, as long as it has no factual basis.

Yea, I guess our troops aren't being killed there, hence why they stopped showing the coffins. Can't be a fact that they are being killed for all of those WMD's. Must be the liberal media. A fvcked up and un-needed war that the Bush fanboy's just can't let their man take critism for, as we all know, he has done NO wrong. BS.

You don't think that there are actually thousands of soldiers families affected by this? It's more fact than the WMD's in Iraq. One big clusterfVck....and yes, the soldiers families have to pay for it too!!!

Fvck Iraq, let them have thier elections and bring our troops home on planes in seats instead of coffins.

Thanks BBond.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: cobalt
Why don't you say that during one of Rips numerous opinion-biased articles? :roll:
I can only hope that calling out a member of the forums who is of the conservative persuasion warrants a ban as readily as when someone calls out a liberal. At least when Rip posts something, it has some factual basis. BBond just Googles his latest anti-Bush issue and posts the first result he can find, as long as it has no factual basis.


Why aren't you in Iraq fighting? Another phoney desktop marine.
 
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

The unemotional Christian? Is that who you are?

You can agree with murderous wars but not with abortion? Maybe the men and women who are dying wanted to have kids .. does that matter to you?

Seems like Bush's war is a strange type of abortion .. it aborts PARENTS



Slippery Slope argument. Rejected.

go read up on your fallacies, that isn't slippery slope
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Every thread you start is some op-ed piece that revolves entirely around an appeal to emotion. Let us know when you find some real news rather than some fallacious opinion piece.

OK Spock:roll: every view have and everything you do in your life is because of emotion. Try me.
 
a person that beleives bob herbert is a fool. and the person that promotes his trash is a bigger fool.

Merry Christmas
 
Originally posted by: slyedog
a person that beleives bob herbert is a fool. and the person that promotes his trash is a bigger fool.

Merry Christmas


I guess those families aren't real. The death aren't real. The parentless children aren't real. Only a fool believes otherwise. Only a bigger fool trashes someone for pointing it out.

Oh hell, this is the Matirx - none of this is real. You think that's air you're breathing?
 
Originally posted by: Engineer

Yea, I guess our troops aren't being killed there, hence why they stopped showing the coffins. Can't be a fact that they are being killed for all of those WMD's. Must be the liberal media. A fvcked up and un-needed war that the Bush fanboy's just can't let their man take critism for, as we all know, he has done NO wrong. BS.

You don't think that there are actually thousands of soldiers families affected by this? It's more fact than the WMD's in Iraq. One big clusterfVck....and yes, the soldiers families have to pay for it too!!!

Fvck Iraq, let them have thier elections and bring our troops home on planes in seats instead of coffins.

Thanks BBond.


"W" -- "Bring 'em on!"

NO

Bring them home.

One point we agree on.

You're welcome, Engineer.


Originally posted by: CycloWizard

I can only hope that calling out a member of the forums who is of the conservative persuasion warrants a ban as readily as when someone calls out a liberal. At least when Rip posts something, it has some factual basis. BBond just Googles his latest anti-Bush issue and posts the first result he can find, as long as it has no factual basis.

Disclaimer: BBond does not Google opinion pieces. BBond reads the NY Times daily (along with several other newspapers -- ain't retirement great?) and, in accordance with the intent of the Politics and News forum, posts what he considers important reading here to share with others who enter the Politics and News forum looking for Politics and News (If you object to members posting politics and news why on Earth are you here?).


FACTS FROM THE OP:

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Troops are being shoved two or three times into the furnace of Iraq by astonishingly incompetent leaders who have been unable or unwilling to provide them with the proper training, adequate equipment or even a clearly defined mission.

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It is a mind-boggling tragedy. And the suffering goes far beyond the men and women targeted by the insurgents. Each death in Iraq blows a hole in a family and sets off concentric circles of grief that touch everyone else who knew and cared for the fallen soldier. If the human stakes were understood well enough by the political leaders of this country, it might make them a little more reluctant to launch foolish, unnecessary and ultimately unwinnable wars.

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Six female soldiers who died in the war left a total of 10 children.

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We have completely lost our way with this fiasco in Iraq. The president seems almost perversely out of touch. "The idea of democracy taking hold in what was a place of tyranny and hatred and destruction is such a hopeful moment in the history of the world," he said this week.

The truth, of course, is that we can't even secure the road to the Baghdad airport, or protect our own troops lining up for lunch inside a military compound. The coming elections are a slapstick version of democracy. International observers won't even go to Iraq to monitor the elections because it's too dangerous. They'll be watching, as if through binoculars, from Jordan.

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Nobody has a plan. We don't have enough troops to secure the country, and the Iraqi forces have shown neither the strength nor the will to do it themselves. Election officials are being murdered in the streets. The insurgency is growing in both strength and sophistication. At least three more marines and one soldier were killed yesterday, ensuring the grimmest of holidays for their families and loved ones.


 
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