Falwell is a moron

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Is that a subtle acknowledement that Falwell never said that we were attacked over "our freedoms"?

No, that's a subtle acknowledgement that you're trying to prove something by relying solely on literal phrasing, akin to implying that an argument is bunk because someone never used the phrase "imminent threat". <insert other logical fallacy here>

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Is that a subtle acknowledement that Falwell never said that we were attacked over "our freedoms"?

No, that's a subtle acknowledgement that you're trying to prove something by relying solely on literal phrasing, akin to implying that an argument is bunk because someone never used the phrase "imminent threat". <insert other logical fallacy here>

When you are making an argument based on what someone said, you should at least make sure that they said it. If they didn't say, but it's your interpretation of what they said, don't put it in quotes.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Is that a subtle acknowledement that Falwell never said that we were attacked over "our freedoms"?

No, that's a subtle acknowledgement that you're trying to prove something by relying solely on literal phrasing, akin to implying that an argument is bunk because someone never used the phrase "imminent threat". <insert other logical fallacy here>

When you are making an argument based on what someone said, you should at least make sure that they said it. If they didn't say, but it's your interpretation of what they said, don't put it in quotes.

I didn't see that he'd put it in quotes. Sorry.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Seems to me that he is blaming Freedom of Religion (Pagans), freedom to have an abortion, freedom to support Feminist causes, freedom to live an alternative lifestyle and the freedom to defend them as the reason for the attack on 9/11. While you and I might not agree with those groups they are free to follow or pusue their beliefs in America.

That's an interpretation. Putting "our freedoms" in quotation means that Falwell said that, and that doesn't appear to be the case.

How else can it be interpreted?

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Is that a subtle acknowledement that Falwell never said that we were attacked over "our freedoms"?

No, that's a subtle acknowledgement that you're trying to prove something by relying solely on literal phrasing, akin to implying that an argument is bunk because someone never used the phrase "imminent threat". <insert other logical fallacy here>

When you are making an argument based on what someone said, you should at least make sure that they said it. If they didn't say, but it's your interpretation of what they said, don't put it in quotes.

I didn't see that he'd put it in quotes. Sorry.

No problem. Just trying to make sure that this thread fair and balanced.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Seems to me that he is blaming Freedom of Religion (Pagans), freedom to have an abortion, freedom to support Feminist causes, freedom to live an alternative lifestyle and the freedom to defend them as the reason for the attack on 9/11. While you and I might not agree with those groups they are free to follow or pusue their beliefs in America.

That's an interpretation. Putting "our freedoms" in quotation means that Falwell said that, and that doesn't appear to be the case.

How else can it be interpreted?

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.

 

[Riprorin]

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.[/quote]

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?

 

[DealMonkey]

Interesting to note who around here defends Falwell. Pretty much the same group that (in other threads) shrieks about god hating gays, abortion is murder, and the bible belongs in our schools/gov't/fill-in-the-blank 'cause we mean everywhere. Glad to see you have a solid agenda going boys, aren't you late for your protest down at planned parenthood?

 

[beer]

God Ripronin never ceases to amaze me. Maybe you should eat some carbs again, maybe then you'll understand the principle of 'other viewpoints.' Your 'What's the big deal about cars?' was enough for me to realize you are among the most intolerant and ignorant on this forum when it comes to the idea that people can have different ideas than you, if you don't find a problem with falwell said, i pray to god you have been neutered and never have kids.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?[/quote]
Well at least according to the Mythology you believe in.

 

[beer]

Ironically most of the civilizations that were destroyed two millenia or so ago were done by civiliations like the Huns and the Mongols which certainly do not reflect any sort of Western theology, nor were they working in God's name.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?[/quote]

Quoting Jewish text doesn't do a whole lot for a Christian.

 

[Riprorin]

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?

Well at least according to the Mythology you believe in.[/quote]

Check out some of this archaeological evidence:

Sodom and Gomorrah
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah has long been viewed as a legend. Critics assume that it was created to communicate moral principles. However, throughout the Bible this story is treated as a historical event. The Old Testament prophets refer to the destruction of Sodom on several occasions (Deut. 29:23, Isa. 13:19, Jer. 49:18), and these cities play a key role in the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (Matt. 10:15, 2 Pet. 2:6 and Jude 1:7). What has archaeology found to establish the existence of these cities?

Archaeologists have searched the Dead Sea region for many years in search of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 14:3 gives their location as the Valley of Siddim known as the Salt Sea, another name for the Dead Sea. On the east side six wadies, or river valleys, flow into the Dead Sea. Along five of these wadies, ancient cities were discovered. The northern most is named Bab edh-Drha. In 1924, renowned archaeologist Dr. William Albright excavated at this site, searching for Sodom and Gomorrah. He discovered it to be a heavily fortified city. Although he connected this city with one of the biblical "Cities of the Plains," he could not find conclusive evidence to justify this assumption.

More digging was done in 1965, 1967, and 1973. The archaeologists discovered a 23-inch thick wall around the city, along with numerous houses and a large temple. Outside the city were huge grave sites where thousands of skeletons were unearthed. This revealed that the city had been well populated during the early Bronze Age, about the time Abraham would have lived.

Most intriguing was evidence that a massive fire had destroyed the city. It lay buried under a coating of ash several feet thick. A cemetery one kilometer outside the city contained charred remains of roofs, posts, and bricks turned red from heat.

Dr. Bryant Wood, in describing these charnel houses, stated that a fire began on the roofs of these buildings. Eventually the burning roof collapsed into the interior and spread inside the building. This was the case in every house they excavated. Such a massive fiery destruction would match the biblical account that the city was destroyed by fire that rained down from heaven. Wood states, "The evidence would suggest that this site of Bab edh-Drha is the biblical city of Sodom."{5}

Five cities of the plain are mentioned in Genesis 14: Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zoar, and Zeboiim. Remnants of these other four cities are also found along the Dead Sea. Following a southward path from Bab edh-Drha there is the city called Numeria. Continuing south is the city called es-Safi. Further south are the ancient cities of Feifa and Khanazir. Studies at these cities revealed that they had been abandoned at the same time about 2450?2350 B.C. Many archaeologists believe if Bab ed-Drha is Sodom, Numeria is Gomorrah, and es-Safi is Zoar.

What fascinated the archaeologists is that these cities were covered in the same ash as Bab ed-Drha. Numeria, believed to be Gomorrah, had seven feet of ash in some places. In every one of the destroyed cities ash deposits made the soil a spongy charcoal, making it impossible to rebuild. According to the Bible, four of the five cities were destroyed, leaving Lot to flee to Zoar. Zoar was not destroyed by fire, but was abandoned during this period.

Although archaeologists are still disputing these findings, this is one discovery we will be hearing more about in years to come.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?

Quoting Jewish text doesn't do a whole lot for a Christian.[/quote]

Would you care to enlighten us?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's Falwell's clarification of what he said:

"I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says 'living by God's principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame,'" he said.

Falwell said he believes the ACLU and other organizations "which have attempted to secularize America, have removed our nation from its relationship with Christ on which it was founded."

"I therefore believe that that created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812," he said.

I think that the man is entitled to his opinion.

Yeah he is entitled to be a complete Fund A Mental Case Loon and the ACLU will defend his right to the end! Frankly I was glad he said what he did because he showed to the rest of America to be the asswipe many of us already knew that he was.

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?

Quoting Jewish text doesn't do a whole lot for a Christian.

Would you care to enlighten us?[/quote]

Proverbs is the old testament.

 

[Perknose]

Putting "our freedoms" in quotation means that Falwell said that, and that doesn't appear to be the case.

Not necessarily, Riprorin. Your definition below is incomplete:

By the way, here's what quotation marks mean:

Main Entry: quotation mark
Function: noun
: one of a pair of punctuation marks " " or ` ' used chiefly to indicate the beginning and the end of a quotation in which the exact phraseology of another or of a text is directly cited.

Quotation marks are also used, all the damn time, to indicate words used ironically, with some reservations, or in some unusual way, any of which could well have been argued to apply in this case.

Just scroll down and see.

But, hey, since Orsorum rolled right over, debating and rhetoric points to you.

 

[Harvey]

Falwell is a moron

Doesn't that fall under the catagory of a blatant statement of the obvious?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Since the beginning of human history, many civilisations have been destroyed because they were rebellious against God and His prophets and because they were guilty of indecent acts. Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. Does it really surprise you that Falwell would say something like based on his beliefs?

Well at least according to the Mythology you believe in.

Check out some of this archaeological evidence:

Sodom and Gomorrah
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah has long been viewed as a legend. Critics assume that it was created to communicate moral principles. However, throughout the Bible this story is treated as a historical event. The Old Testament prophets refer to the destruction of Sodom on several occasions (Deut. 29:23, Isa. 13:19, Jer. 49:18), and these cities play a key role in the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (Matt. 10:15, 2 Pet. 2:6 and Jude 1:7). What has archaeology found to establish the existence of these cities?

Archaeologists have searched the Dead Sea region for many years in search of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 14:3 gives their location as the Valley of Siddim known as the Salt Sea, another name for the Dead Sea. On the east side six wadies, or river valleys, flow into the Dead Sea. Along five of these wadies, ancient cities were discovered. The northern most is named Bab edh-Drha. In 1924, renowned archaeologist Dr. William Albright excavated at this site, searching for Sodom and Gomorrah. He discovered it to be a heavily fortified city. Although he connected this city with one of the biblical "Cities of the Plains," he could not find conclusive evidence to justify this assumption.

More digging was done in 1965, 1967, and 1973. The archaeologists discovered a 23-inch thick wall around the city, along with numerous houses and a large temple. Outside the city were huge grave sites where thousands of skeletons were unearthed. This revealed that the city had been well populated during the early Bronze Age, about the time Abraham would have lived.

Most intriguing was evidence that a massive fire had destroyed the city. It lay buried under a coating of ash several feet thick. A cemetery one kilometer outside the city contained charred remains of roofs, posts, and bricks turned red from heat.

Dr. Bryant Wood, in describing these charnel houses, stated that a fire began on the roofs of these buildings. Eventually the burning roof collapsed into the interior and spread inside the building. This was the case in every house they excavated. Such a massive fiery destruction would match the biblical account that the city was destroyed by fire that rained down from heaven. Wood states, "The evidence would suggest that this site of Bab edh-Drha is the biblical city of Sodom."{5}

Five cities of the plain are mentioned in Genesis 14: Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zoar, and Zeboiim. Remnants of these other four cities are also found along the Dead Sea. Following a southward path from Bab edh-Drha there is the city called Numeria. Continuing south is the city called es-Safi. Further south are the ancient cities of Feifa and Khanazir. Studies at these cities revealed that they had been abandoned at the same time about 2450?2350 B.C. Many archaeologists believe if Bab ed-Drha is Sodom, Numeria is Gomorrah, and es-Safi is Zoar.

What fascinated the archaeologists is that these cities were covered in the same ash as Bab ed-Drha. Numeria, believed to be Gomorrah, had seven feet of ash in some places. In every one of the destroyed cities ash deposits made the soil a spongy charcoal, making it impossible to rebuild. According to the Bible, four of the five cities were destroyed, leaving Lot to flee to Zoar. Zoar was not destroyed by fire, but was abandoned during this period.

Although archaeologists are still disputing these findings, this is one discovery we will be hearing more about in years to come.

What? Did you find a pillar of salt in your own arse?

 

[przero]

What did Falwell say this time?

 

[przero]

"among the most intolerant and ignorant on this forum when it comes to the idea that people can have different ideas than you, if you don't find a problem with falwell said, i pray to god you have been neutered and never have kids."

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: przero
"among the most intolerant and ignorant on this forum when it comes to the idea that people can have different ideas than you, if you don't find a problem with falwell said, i pray to god you have been neutered and never have kids."

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?

heheh



i still don't know what this thread is about

 

[przero]

Me either.