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Fallujah situation 'disastrous', charity says
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Aid Convoy Reaches Falluja, Gunmen Stay in Mosul
Sat Nov 13, 2004 06:47 PM ET
By Michael Georgy and Omar Anwar
FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - A Red Crescent convoy reached Falluja on Saturday with the first aid since U.S.-led forces began blasting their way in five days ago, and U.S. and Iraqi officials said only pockets of rebel resistance remained.
The offensive on Falluja has fueled violence across Iraq's Sunni Muslim heartland, especially in the northern city of Mosul where guerrillas fought on and kept control of some districts.
The U.S.-backed interim government, which has vowed to crush a widespread insurgency before planned nationwide elections in January, said Baghdad's international airport -- initially closed on Monday for 48 hours -- would remain shut indefinitely.
"Conditions in Falluja are catastrophic," said Iraqi Red Crescent spokeswoman Firdoos al-Abadi, whose organization says there are severe shortages of food and medicine in the city.
Abadi said the Red Crescent's five trucks and three ambulances had arrived at the main hospital on the western edge of Falluja, some 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad.
It is unclear how many of Falluja's 300,000 people remain in the city, but about half are believed to have fled before the ground assault began on Monday. There has also been no firm word on civilian casualties.
"OPERATIONS ALMOST OVER"
National Security Minister of State Kasim Daoud said more than 1,000 guerrillas had been killed in Falluja, which the interim government and Washington say has been a base for Saddam Hussein supporters and foreign Islamic fighters.
"The operations are almost over. There are only pockets of resistance left," Daoud told a news conference, adding that around 200 guerrillas had been captured.
"The coalition and Iraqi forces have completed the move, for all practical purposes, from the north down to the south (in Falluja)," said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
"I don't mean to suggest that it's concluded. It's not, for sure," Rumsfeld told reporters during a visit to Panama.
U.S. Major Clark Watson said American forces expected to overcome the rebels in their last main redoubt, the Shuhada area in the south of the city, within 72 hours but were facing tough resistance from Syrian, Chechen and other foreign fighters.
Islamist groups, including one led by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, vowed in a video to take their fight in Falluja to all corners of Iraq. No independent verification of the tape's authenticity was immediately available.
"In response to the crimes and mass annihilation the Muslims of Falluja are facing, the groups Qaeda Organization of Jihad in Iraq, the Islamic Army, the 1920 Revolution Brigades ... announce the spread of the battle to all governorates and parts of Iraq," one gunman read from a handwritten piece of paper.
He called on employees of the interim government not to go to work and to launch a civil disobedience campaign.
BUSH WARNING
President Bush warned guerrilla violence in Iraq could worsen, despite the Falluja operation, in the countdown to the January elections.
"The desperation of the killers will grow, and the violence could escalate. The success of democracy in Iraq would be a crushing blow to the forces of terror, and the terrorists know it," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
The U.S. military said 22 U.S. and five Iraqi soldiers had been killed in the Falluja battle.
Falluja had been without power and water for days, said an Iraqi journalist who left the city on Friday.
"Some people hadn't prepared well. They didn't stock up on tinned food. They didn't think it would be this bad," he said, asking not to be named.
In Mosul, gunmen were still roaming the streets in some districts after storming and looting nine police stations on Thursday, but Iraqi and U.S. forces were guarding some of the key bridges that span the Tigris River, residents said.
The U.S. military said the city was calmer on Saturday, with only sporadic fighting in some areas. It said three of five Tigris bridges had reopened and a curfew had been lifted.
In other districts, vigilantes set up roadblocks and patrolled neighborhoods to deter thieves and looters.
The Falluja assault and a week-old state of emergency have failed to quell unrest in other Sunni cities, many of which are under curfew.
The interim government closed Baghdad airport to civilian flights before the start of the Falluja offensive and it was due to have been in place for only a few days.
But an official in Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's office said on Saturday: "It is closed until further notice."
The government, however, reopened two border crossings with Syria and Jordan for festivities marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
(Additional reporting by Luke Baker and Lin Noueihed in Baghdad and Maher al-Thanoon in Mosul)
Sat Nov 13, 2004 06:47 PM ET
By Michael Georgy and Omar Anwar
FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - A Red Crescent convoy reached Falluja on Saturday with the first aid since U.S.-led forces began blasting their way in five days ago, and U.S. and Iraqi officials said only pockets of rebel resistance remained.
The offensive on Falluja has fueled violence across Iraq's Sunni Muslim heartland, especially in the northern city of Mosul where guerrillas fought on and kept control of some districts.
The U.S.-backed interim government, which has vowed to crush a widespread insurgency before planned nationwide elections in January, said Baghdad's international airport -- initially closed on Monday for 48 hours -- would remain shut indefinitely.
"Conditions in Falluja are catastrophic," said Iraqi Red Crescent spokeswoman Firdoos al-Abadi, whose organization says there are severe shortages of food and medicine in the city.
Abadi said the Red Crescent's five trucks and three ambulances had arrived at the main hospital on the western edge of Falluja, some 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad.
It is unclear how many of Falluja's 300,000 people remain in the city, but about half are believed to have fled before the ground assault began on Monday. There has also been no firm word on civilian casualties.
"OPERATIONS ALMOST OVER"
National Security Minister of State Kasim Daoud said more than 1,000 guerrillas had been killed in Falluja, which the interim government and Washington say has been a base for Saddam Hussein supporters and foreign Islamic fighters.
"The operations are almost over. There are only pockets of resistance left," Daoud told a news conference, adding that around 200 guerrillas had been captured.
"The coalition and Iraqi forces have completed the move, for all practical purposes, from the north down to the south (in Falluja)," said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
"I don't mean to suggest that it's concluded. It's not, for sure," Rumsfeld told reporters during a visit to Panama.
U.S. Major Clark Watson said American forces expected to overcome the rebels in their last main redoubt, the Shuhada area in the south of the city, within 72 hours but were facing tough resistance from Syrian, Chechen and other foreign fighters.
Islamist groups, including one led by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, vowed in a video to take their fight in Falluja to all corners of Iraq. No independent verification of the tape's authenticity was immediately available.
"In response to the crimes and mass annihilation the Muslims of Falluja are facing, the groups Qaeda Organization of Jihad in Iraq, the Islamic Army, the 1920 Revolution Brigades ... announce the spread of the battle to all governorates and parts of Iraq," one gunman read from a handwritten piece of paper.
He called on employees of the interim government not to go to work and to launch a civil disobedience campaign.
BUSH WARNING
President Bush warned guerrilla violence in Iraq could worsen, despite the Falluja operation, in the countdown to the January elections.
"The desperation of the killers will grow, and the violence could escalate. The success of democracy in Iraq would be a crushing blow to the forces of terror, and the terrorists know it," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
The U.S. military said 22 U.S. and five Iraqi soldiers had been killed in the Falluja battle.
Falluja had been without power and water for days, said an Iraqi journalist who left the city on Friday.
"Some people hadn't prepared well. They didn't stock up on tinned food. They didn't think it would be this bad," he said, asking not to be named.
In Mosul, gunmen were still roaming the streets in some districts after storming and looting nine police stations on Thursday, but Iraqi and U.S. forces were guarding some of the key bridges that span the Tigris River, residents said.
The U.S. military said the city was calmer on Saturday, with only sporadic fighting in some areas. It said three of five Tigris bridges had reopened and a curfew had been lifted.
In other districts, vigilantes set up roadblocks and patrolled neighborhoods to deter thieves and looters.
The Falluja assault and a week-old state of emergency have failed to quell unrest in other Sunni cities, many of which are under curfew.
The interim government closed Baghdad airport to civilian flights before the start of the Falluja offensive and it was due to have been in place for only a few days.
But an official in Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's office said on Saturday: "It is closed until further notice."
The government, however, reopened two border crossings with Syria and Jordan for festivities marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
(Additional reporting by Luke Baker and Lin Noueihed in Baghdad and Maher al-Thanoon in Mosul)
Thats a HUGE "excerpt" and a VERY detailed one at that from a Marine to write to his father. Interestingly, I have been unable to find the said blog at Brian Shavings
:disgust:
You could say that anything, is propaganda, and merely restate your line no matter how many facts there are to the contrary. While your statement may be completely true, it is also completely vacuous.
On topic, this is really starting to worry me. Will Iraq ever stabilize? Can't America just call in the UN to clean up some of this mess?
I'm worried that China or other ambitious countries will see an opportunity with much of America's army tied down in Iraq.
Edit🙁 The blog may indeed be propaganda, I'm just pointing out the flaw in using 0mar's sentence as an arguement. For example:
You could say that an article about charitable humanitarian aid by Amnesty International is propaganda. When people reply, but why do you think so, they have such a good reputation! you could say ah hah! The best propaganda is something you think isn't but is!
U.S. Says Aid Convoy Can't Go Into Falluja Today
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...;cid=564&ncid=1480
http://www.globalissuesgroup.com/geneva/protocol1.html
Bush Taps White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales As Nation's First Hispanic Attorney General
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=243266
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...;cid=564&ncid=1480
http://www.globalissuesgroup.com/geneva/protocol1.html
Bush Taps White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales As Nation's First Hispanic Attorney General
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=243266
Huh?
Aid workers enter Fallujah as U.S. forces mop up
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published November 13, 2004
FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Humanitarian aid workers entered Fallujah Saturday, six days after a U.S.-Iraqi assault started on the insurgent stronghold, the Telegraph reported.
An Iraqi Red Crescent aid convoy comprised of some 30 volunteers with five trucks and three ambulances passed a U.S. checkpoint and entered the northern part of the Sunni city, now nearly deserted.
Meanwhile, small groups of Muslim insurgents in Fallujah surrendered Saturday as U.S. forces closed in on the last fighters of Abu Musab Zarqawi's terror network.
At least 22 U.S. soldiers have been killed during the six-day operation and about 170 troops have been wounded, 40 of who returned to the battlefield, CNN reported. Meanwhile, about 600 insurgents have been killed and 151 have been detained. Estimates of civilian casualties were not available.
Insurgents in groups of five to 20 have started surrendering in northeast Fallujah, where the U.S. military is in control, said a U.S. official.
Marines closed in on what was believed to be the last pocket of continued resistance in the southern part of the city.
An Iraqi official in Baghdad said numerous foreign fighters have been detained in Fallujah's fighting, including 10 from Iran.
Link
Aid workers enter Fallujah as U.S. forces mop up
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published November 13, 2004
FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Humanitarian aid workers entered Fallujah Saturday, six days after a U.S.-Iraqi assault started on the insurgent stronghold, the Telegraph reported.
An Iraqi Red Crescent aid convoy comprised of some 30 volunteers with five trucks and three ambulances passed a U.S. checkpoint and entered the northern part of the Sunni city, now nearly deserted.
Meanwhile, small groups of Muslim insurgents in Fallujah surrendered Saturday as U.S. forces closed in on the last fighters of Abu Musab Zarqawi's terror network.
At least 22 U.S. soldiers have been killed during the six-day operation and about 170 troops have been wounded, 40 of who returned to the battlefield, CNN reported. Meanwhile, about 600 insurgents have been killed and 151 have been detained. Estimates of civilian casualties were not available.
Insurgents in groups of five to 20 have started surrendering in northeast Fallujah, where the U.S. military is in control, said a U.S. official.
Marines closed in on what was believed to be the last pocket of continued resistance in the southern part of the city.
An Iraqi official in Baghdad said numerous foreign fighters have been detained in Fallujah's fighting, including 10 from Iran.
Link
sandorski
No Lifer
Good points. Iraq has been getting increasingly unstable/violent since spring and there seems to be no stopping it.
Regarding China and the US another good point. Though few dare to admit it, Oil is certainly a part of the reason that the US is in Iraq. With China's growing appetite for Oil and the fact that the bulk of the US Military's fighting force is closeby and tied up in conflict, I'm sure some Chinese Generals/Politicians are begining to think of the opportunity to get some Oil and cause significant harm to the US's power capability at the same time. Whether such an act could ultimately succeed is almost besides the point, temptation doesn't always get dealt with in a reasonable manner.
MidasKnight
Diamond Member
LOL .... :laugh:
:thumbsup:
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
When you start a thread, it is public domain!!!!!!!!!!!! We know you hate the truth as defined by "not in support of my BS," but get over it!
Don't Worry by the time we are done, it will make the 2 million+dead in Vietnam look like a walk in the ball park. B*stards!
and of coarse everything will be flattened since we can't have no one going against our occupation.
What we are doing there makes Sadam look like an Angel. Sh*t they must hate Americans big time now!!
So again, how are we liberating them by distroying them?
and of coarse everything will be flattened since we can't have no one going against our occupation.
What we are doing there makes Sadam look like an Angel. Sh*t they must hate Americans big time now!!
So again, how are we liberating them by distroying them?
BarneyFife
Diamond Member
We keep on creating more and more "terrorists" by invading nations and bossing them around. How many kids in Fallujah will grow up and despise the US? Many. Unfortunately the people on tv have you believe that they "don't like our way of life and our jealous". I guess they are right. They don't like how the US invades their country and bombs them to shreds for their oil.
According to al-Jazeera (a source that you will trust) there are 150 families in the center of Fallujah:
"The Red Crescent sent a convoy of essential goods along with 53 volunteers and three doctors from Baghdad to attend to people in Falluja.
It believes that 150 families are still in the heart of Falluja, but it is concerned about the plight of tens of thousands of people living in refugee camps and villages dotted outside."
Link
They are not being allowed in BECAUSE IT ISN'T SAFE DUE TO THE INSURGENT SNIPERS.
"The Red Crescent sent a convoy of essential goods along with 53 volunteers and three doctors from Baghdad to attend to people in Falluja.
It believes that 150 families are still in the heart of Falluja, but it is concerned about the plight of tens of thousands of people living in refugee camps and villages dotted outside."
Link
They are not being allowed in BECAUSE IT ISN'T SAFE DUE TO THE INSURGENT SNIPERS.
Gen Stonewall
Senior member
😕 I'm lost on that conclusion.
GreatBarracuda
Golden Member
Ha ha. Yes, American propaganda defies all common sense.
.co.uk, again, what a surprise.
And why do all you isolationist lefties all of a sudden care about Iraqi people dying, you didn't care about them before the war.....Move to Switzerland.
Are the lives of the Iraqi people only important to you when they can be used for the leftnutz politcal gain?
And why do all you isolationist lefties all of a sudden care about Iraqi people dying, you didn't care about them before the war.....Move to Switzerland.
Are the lives of the Iraqi people only important to you when they can be used for the leftnutz politcal gain?
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