Fallout From Climategate

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Throckmorton

Throckmorton

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Jaskalas said:
The logical fallacy is to treat the planet as a closed off lab environment.

Our CO2 causing harm has not been proven. The thrust of the argument has been our temperature of the past 30 years. Claiming it is both warmest and unprecedented when neither claim is true.

Bring forth an actual harm before telling us the sky is falling.
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The planet is a pretty much a closed system.The CO2 isn't coming from space. It's coming from the fossil fuels that we are burning.
 
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Fear No Evil

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Throckmorton said:
The planet is a pretty much a closed system.The CO2 isn't coming from space. It's coming from the fossil fuels that we are burning.
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You are absolutely right. CO2 does not come from ANY natural source. It ONLY comes from Republicans driving SUV's.
 
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Fear No Evil

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Throckmorton said:
I drive an SUV also.

If you know of any significant sources other than fossil fuel burning, let me know
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Really.. REALLY? CO2 ONLY comes from Fossil fuels? That's your position? Try a couple google searches on natural sources of CO2 emissions.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Throckmorton said:
The planet is a pretty much a closed system.The CO2 isn't coming from space. It's coming from the fossil fuels that we are burning.
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A tiny enclosed box you call a lab environment does not emulate a planetary ecosystem. You would do well to avoid such delusions.

I drive an SUV also.

If you know of any significant sources other than fossil fuel burning, let me know
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Put this in your lab.
 
Doc Savage Fan

Doc Savage Fan

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Nov 30, 2006
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Throckmorton....I asked you to read the new guidelines and tell me what was horseshit. It appears that you want to attack the Daily Mail article instead. The article is obviously not perfect as is common when laypeople write about science.

However, that said, I think you're off base when you said the following statement from the article was misleading: "Royal Society issues new climate change guide that admits there are 'uncertainties' about the science." as the guideline itself says: "In view of the ongoing public and political debates about climate change, the aim of this document is to summarise the current scientific evidence on climate change and its drivers. It lays out clearly where the science is well established, where there is wide consensus but continuing debate, and where there remains substantial uncertainty."

On the other hand...I think your criticism of the following statement in the article is valid: 'The Royal Society now also agrees with the GWPF that the warming trend of the 1980s and 90s has come to a halt in the last 10 years." It's clear that temperatures have substantially moderated the last decade...but the Daily Mail statement is false as the guildline does not actually say this. I suspect that this is what Wolfe was talking about earlier but he didn't give specifics.

I applaude the new Royal Society guideline and hope you do to...as well as those who actually give a shit about good science. I think it's really important for people to understand the lack of knowledge and uncertanties involving clouds and was glad this fact was clearly acknowledged. Water vapor and clouds have a huge impact on our climate as they reflect 30&#37; of the Sun's energy. Variables that affect cloud formation are likely significant drivers that affect climate change. The guideline correctly says: "Current scientific understanding of this effect is poor."

Current GCR research has shown that galactic cosmic ray flucuation directly affects cloud formation...the mechanism is currently being researched. This may help explain historical climate changes as GCR is not constant and varies as our planet travels through the galaxy. CERN should be releasing their preliminary results soon.
 
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GodlessAstronomer

GodlessAstronomer

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Oct 27, 2007
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Doc Savage Fan said:
Such hostility...sorry the Daily Mail offends you so much that you somehow feel justified in directing your juvenile hatred towards me. Please come back when you grow up and have something intelligent to say.
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I wouldn't waste my intelligence on P&N. Fuck you and your shitty sources. Daily Mail is a tabloid, you dishonest piece of shit.
 
DominionSeraph

DominionSeraph

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Jaskalas said:
Tell that to the "science is settled" crowd who wish to use it to drive a political agenda against modern civilization.
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Settled != certainty.

You are probably settled on the idea that you are not just a brain in a vat. But if your caretaker pulls the cartridge of Earth v1.0 from your VirtuaUniverse 9000 and reroutes your video and audio feeds to your vat room, you will likely be unsettled for quite some time over a very many things.

You will slowly become settled as you acclimate to your new environment.

But what then if HAL pulls the cartridge of Vat Room Gold (inc. Caretaker + VirtuaUniverse 9000 DLC) from the VirtualVatRoomSimulator 16000 and you find you're a robot?

"Settled" is a state you can achieve regarding a posteriori conclusions, but it does not preclude becoming unsettled. "Certainty" is a state you can not achieve regarding a posterori conclusions, which is why all such "settled" conclusions can become unsettled.
 
monovillage

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I'm really laughing at New Zealand's NIWA ( National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research) By manipulating and falsifying data they turned a small .3 degree warming to 1.0 degree warming, when they got caught at it the lied, blustered, hemmed, hawed, destroyed data, tap danced and then lied some more about it.

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog

Thanks to the nameless entity that released the Climategate e-mails and opened the floodgates.
 
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