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dmcowen674 
Exactly what is happening in the U.S. but instead of Military it's Corporations but the end result will be the same.
I found some interesting subjects in the documentary.
I may be wrong about this, so please correct me if that is the case :
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For example, the US has a very big debt towards China ( and more countries). Now there are two options : The US pays back or the US does not pay back. In the latter situation it means economical santions between China and the US and probably war. Or the US pays the money back. But in doing so, the dollar will globally no longer be seen as a stable unit.
Afcourse China wants to make sure that there is a new monetary unit that is much more stable then the dollar because of the owed debt and where there is no debt attached to it. If it is true that China went to the IMF to promote a new global currency, it is obvious the US is not to happy about that... Wallstreet has a lot of power because the dollar is used globally for trading. Imagine how much power wall street would loose if suddenly the euro or the yuan are turned into global currencies used instead of the dollar. That is why the wallstreet guys work together with the large US banks through politics.
It also reminds of that Saddam Hussein wanted euros
(and received euros) for oil and not dollars for oil before he got overthrown
because of the US invasion. And not only he had this view in the ME
(OPEC 1971 agreement about dollar and oil). China is more favourable towards euros as well. Besides that, the huge gambles coke sniffing bank managers and traders got the banks( and the money of the people) into, caused enough problems in the EU (London bankers)and the VS.
If that is orchestrated, i doubt that. It is just doing business without ethics, and blind greed on all sides for short term profits is all that is needed to create large money losses.
The only thing orchestrated was the war in Iraq to make sure that dollars and middle east oil stay a stable couple.
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Another example is that the loaning and borrowing in the US just keeps on continuing while people keep feeling entitled to uncanny luxury. Some people have been reading to much QED but did not understand that you can only borrow and pay back before it gets noticeable ^_^.
But imagine what would have happened if only the banks in the US would have collapsed and the banks in the EU were a bit more smarter before letting their greed take over ?
#3
The separation of investment banks and ..commerce banks (forgot the proper name)? was a good thing. And indeed this must happen again. But i doubt it. When Government banks exist, they can no longer fall over because the country is dependent on these banks. Look at the banks in Europe for example. ING in the Netherlands. Deutsche Bank in Germany. Banque de France in France. This is probably what Goldman Sachs is going towards too. Becoming the
official national bank of the US. Makes sense. The most stable financial nations seem to incorporate this model. The weakness is that there must not be a bunch of greedy assholes that take advantage and
abuse of the enormous power that such a
national bank has. Audits are very important and this is also something that must improve in the EU nations.
I do not know all the details, but the US banks had to pay back to a lot of foreign banks. But i can tell you that that is only a fraction of the money the US banks received from the government. I think some of the rich in the US wanted lost money back as well and banks like Goldman Sachs can take care of that. To switch to the EU. The ING alone in holland needed a financial injection of 10 billion euros which is borrowed. However, it seems most of the banks in Europe are already out of the misery and even payed the interests on the loans back to the governments. For the Netherlands this seems to be the case. But then again, i ask myself where is all the money ? If all money is repaid with interest, why are there so many cutbacks ? Is it another accountancy trick to mask the real numbers ?
A bit of history :
To remember the Marshall aid, a large part was a gift with certain strings attached. For example, the Netherlands needed to give up Indonesia. Trivial history. But the Marshall aid for europe at that time was to prevent anarchy, revolution and becoming a police state. Similar as is viewed in the US now.
I think the US will be helped and shall not fall, but this time again strings are attached
as well. Perhaps The spending nature of the US must change. Afcourse the normal working man and woman is going to notice this but you have to thank your own government for that. Republican and Democrats are both responsible, doing more fighting with each other using veto, opposing each others legislations and laws. And that is where the illusion comes from that it is one big mastermind behind the curtain. That mastermind is called inefficiency. Because instead of getting things done people fight each other. Just think of your own president campaigns, how the news is manipulated to favour people. There is no mastermind creating separation. The people in the US do this to themselves.
#4
That Obama could not hold up to his promises was kind of to be expected.
I find it surprising that nobody even suspected that as a politician he wanted to make everybody happy. But you cannot make the people happy and your funders who made your presidency possible happy when you have only a limited amount of possibilities. That Republican presidents do not need to seek funders themselves is because of the history. Look for example at the history from the Bush family, how they made their fortune. And how they have done it since both the Bushes where presidents. That democrats get rich investors (crooks ?) for funders is easy to see who from the elite the democrat president is going to favour with new legislations. Which was also clearly when thinking of Enron during G.W. Bush. Clearly this contradicts or does it actually not ? :whiste:
Obama is not extremely rich and as such need funders. Just like most democrats. Besides, i had seen him in a documentary about AIPAC meetings years before he was running for president. Because that is where you get the money from if you need a lot of money. AIPAC related people. I would bet the entire Goldman Sachs staff. That then also explains why the US is being difficult even under Obama when issues about Israel and the Palestinians come up or issues about Israel alone. Such as for example the request of the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to get the UN involved is not favoured by the US.
But anyway, instead of looking at the banks as criminals, you have to know that these are investment banks, a lot of the research and the wealth in the US and all over the world is happening because of investments being done. A large part of the money disappears there and from what i have learned from others, is that the US is just not efficient in terms of money when compared to other countries. I do not know i this is true but when comparing 4 hours drives daily to get to and from work... It says something about TCO of an entire country. If you look at a country as 1 big company , to do optimizations it is easy to see where the money is lost.
Globally, countries have to work together but it is of vital importance that the US becomes financial healthy again. If the republicans do not want this to happen because of sticking to conservative values and twisted truths, opposing positive changes, then people in the US must experience what actually happened because of the republicans. Nobody wants this to happen but it seems it is the only way to change that mentality.
The people who made this video are paranoid and need to seek help.
There are no emotion waves hidden in television
that program your mind.
The video makers only look at it from their own position. That is why they claim a global new world order. It is really just
global politics, repaying debts to each other globally and in the near future getting helped out. While in the process not killing of the greedy bastards who oppose positive changes like conservatives who create laws to protect their own wealth. Then you get new rich investors and they see unfair treatment. Afcourse they are going to plot solutions and start lobbying as well.
Welcome into the civilized world. A revolution and killing would be easier but can also cause the snowball effect that everything is lost that has been created and accompanied so far. And the latter is more probable by the lack of interest and / or intelligence of people.
Max Keiser is great : duopolies. :biggrin: It is true, i see it when unregulated free market believers claimed lower prices during the telecom war in the Netherlands, so many players and now only 2 or 3 players left all with the same prices... Triopolies.
EDIT:
I may seem a bit harsh towards the US, but i am not. I see the same behaviour and mentality here in the EU as well. And that is why i sometimes ask my self : Is Asia the future ? Because the people have a different mentality. Work hard and you will reap rewards. If afcourse there are no greedy bastards around who want everything for 0 work, just like some Democrats and Republicans.
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