Falklands War part 2?

[RabidMongoose]

It doesn't need resolving and things are perfectly peaceful as they are.

There are British people living there. They want to remain under British rule. The islands belong to Britain.

The Argentinians don't have a legitimate claim to them.

Obviously there is disagreement there that needs resolving.

 

[Nebor]

Obviously there is disagreement there that needs resolving.

It only seems obvious to you. You're the only poster in this thread arguing for the Argentinians. The rest of the world is fine with the status quo. And most importantly, the people at the heart of the issue, the Falkland Islanders, are fine with the status quo.

 

[Veliko]

Obviously there is disagreement there that needs resolving.

There is a disagreement only from the Argentinians for reasons known only to them.

They have no legitimate claim to the islands.

The British, the French and the Spanish are the only ones who have any kind of legitimate claim to them. The French and the Spanish aren't interested in them so that leaves us.

 

[RabidMongoose]

It only seems obvious to you. You're the only poster in this thread arguing for the Argentinians. The rest of the world is fine with the status quo. And most importantly, the people at the heart of the issue, the Falkland Islanders, are fine with the status quo.

The nation of Argentina, with the backing of a lot of South American nations, obviously has an issue here with the Malvinas. Are you denying that?

I'm not sure if I"m the only person here 'arguing for the Argentinians' but that doesn't mean that there is no issue that needs to be resolved. Obviously since Argentina and others feel very strongly about this, there is something that needs to be resolved.

This is just acknowledging reality. I'm not sure what else to say, it seems like some people are now denying that others have an issue with the Malvinas.

 

[Vic Vega]

Seriously, a destroyer is the most powerful ship in the Royal Navy? WTF happened to them?

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The Royal Navy also announced last week it was sending its most powerful warship, HMS Dauntless, to the South Pacific.

The US has a carrier battle group pretty much all over the place. Why should they spend money on their Navy? We're doing it for them.

 

[RabidMongoose]

There is a disagreement only from the Argentinians for reasons known only to them.

They have no legitimate claim to the islands.

The British, the French and the Spanish are the only ones who have any kind of legitimate claim to them. The French and the Spanish aren't interested in them so that leaves us.

I disagree. Argentina has a much more legitimate claim than the British.

 

[Veliko]

The nation of Argentina, with the backing of a lot of South American nations, obviously has an issue here with the Malvinas. Are you denying that?

I'm not sure if I"m the only person here 'arguing for the Argentinians' but that doesn't mean that there is no issue that needs to be resolved. Obviously since Argentina and others feel very strongly about this, there is something that needs to be resolved.

This is just acknowledging reality. I'm not sure what else to say, it seems like some people are now denying that others have an issue with the Malvinas.

The issue is a fabricated one. It's like Britain laying claim to France.

 

[Veliko]

I disagree. Argentina has a much more legitimate claim than the British.

Under what grounds? This is pure fantasy on their part and your part.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Under what grounds? This is pure fantasy on their part and your part.

It has already been discussed and linked to in this thread. Read the posts.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The issue is a fabricated one. It's like Britain laying claim to France.

How so? Please explain the Argentinian claim to the Malvinas as an analogy to the UK claiming France as its territory.

 

[Veliko]

It has already been discussed and linked to in this thread. Read the posts.

I have read them and all you have done is post a link to a Wikipedia article. At no point have you ever actually explained your thoughts or why you support the Argentinian claim.

 

[Veliko]

How so? Please explain the analogy of the Argentinian claim to the Malvinas to the UK claiming France as its territory.

The UK has no legitimate claim to France.
The Argentinians have no legitimate claim to the Falklands.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The UK has no legitimate claim to France.
The Argentinians have no legitimate claim to the Falklands.

Please explain in more detail how the Argentinian having no claim to the Malvinas is anywhere near the UK having no claim to France. Seems like incredibly different situations to me. Are you able to provide more explanation?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have read them and all you have done is post a link to a Wikipedia article. At no point have you ever actually explained your thoughts or why you support the Argentinian claim.

What do you mean? I feel that the Argentinian claims in total far outweigh the UK's colonialist claims. Do you have specific questions?

 

[Nebor]

The nation of Argentina, with the backing of a lot of South American nations, obviously has an issue here with the Malvinas. Are you denying that?

I'm not sure if I"m the only person here 'arguing for the Argentinians' but that doesn't mean that there is no issue that needs to be resolved. Obviously since Argentina and others feel very strongly about this, there is something that needs to be resolved.

This is just acknowledging reality. I'm not sure what else to say, it seems like some people are now denying that others have an issue with the Malvinas.

No, they're just a bunch of pissant people doing what unimportant pissant people do: making noise and trying to divert attention away from their own failures. They'll continue to do this until Westerners are forced to kill a bunch of them to shut them up. It's just history repeating.

 

[Veliko]

Please explain in more detail how the Argentinian having no claim to the Malvinas is anywhere near the UK having no claim to France. Seems like incredibly different situations to me. Are you able to provide more explanation?

More detail like what? There isn't any more.

 

[Veliko]

What do you mean? I feel that the Argentinian claims in total far outweigh the UK's colonialist claims. Do you have specific questions?

The British discovered them before Argentina even existed.

How does the Argentinian claim counter that?

 

[RabidMongoose]

No, they're just a bunch of pissant people doing what unimportant pissant people do: making noise and trying to divert attention away from their own failures. They'll continue to do this until Westerners are forced to kill a bunch of them to shut them up. It's just history repeating.

What kind of failures does Argentina have? They seem to be doing very well so far.

Moreover, I don't think that we're going to see any violence from this issue. It will be resolved through peace, IMO.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The British discovered them before Argentina even existed.

How does the Argentinian claim counter that?

I don't believe that finders keepers is the determinative law here.

 

[Nebor]

What kind of failures does Argentina have? They seem to be doing very well so far.

Moreover, I don't think that we're going to see any violence from this issue. It will be resolved through peace, IMO.

They have less than 1 cell phone per capita. They have less than 1 automobile per capita. Internet saturation is extraordinarily low. They're a failure of a country in every regard.

And then there's their WMD development program.

 

[Veliko]

I don't believe that finders keepers is the determinative law here.

You didn't answer the question. The British discovered the Falklands before Argentina even existed - how does the Argentinian claim better that?

There is also the fact they have been in British hands for about 150 years, the people living there are British and wish to remain British.

Again - how can the Argentinian claim counter those points?

 

[RabidMongoose]

You didn't answer the question. The British discovered the Falklands before Argentina even existed - how does the Argentinian claim better that?

There is also the fact they have been in British hands for about 150 years, the people living there are British and wish to remain British.

Again - how can the Argentinian claim counter those points?

Because finders keepers isn't the determinative law. Colonialist British tendencies are also not something that is determinative.

Moreover, they've been in UK hands for about 150 years after the UK invaded.

Argentina should own the Malvinas. The Malvinas should not be a conquest of British colonialism.

 

[RabidMongoose]

They have less than 1 cell phone per capita. They have less than 1 automobile per capita. Internet saturation is extraordinarily low. They're a failure of a country in every regard.

And then there's their WMD development program.

Wow, I had no idea that cell phones per capita meant that a country is a failure.

But, you know, I'd say that their economic growth at nearly 10% last year is a pretty good sign of them not being a failure.

 

[Veliko]

Because finders keepers isn't the determinative law. Colonialist British tendencies are also not something that is determinative.

Moreover, they've been in UK hands for about 150 years after the UK invaded.

Argentina should own the Malvinas. The Malvinas should not be a conquest of British colonialism.

You are still avoiding the questions and just repeating yourself. Once again:

How does the Argentinian claim counter the fact that Britain found them before Argentina even existed? How can they be Argentinian if Argentina didn't exist at the time when they were discovered?

If the Falklands shouldn't be a conquest of British colonialism, why should they be a conquest of Argentinian colonialism?

 

[Veliko]

Wow, I had no idea that cell phones per capita meant that a country is a failure.

But, you know, I'd say that their economic growth at nearly 10% last year is a pretty good sign of them not being a failure.

A country with 10% economic growth means the economy is dogshit. You only get that sort of figure when you have nothing in the first place.