Falklands War part 2?

[EagleKeeper]

No, they can stay on the island and Argentina can regain control of them. It is my position that Argentina is the rightful owner of the Malvinas. I have no idea how the UK, which is so far away from the Malvinas and only are there due to conquest, can be the rightful owner of the Malvinas.

Other than the fact that they were the first group to setup a settlement there.

 

[WelshBloke]

My apologies, I should have provided it with my previous post.

Lol, OK that's probably the only decent post in the last few pages of this thread.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Other than the fact that they were the first group to setup a settlement there.

I am not aware of finder's keepers as being the determinative law. However, I don't believe that the British were the first to set up a settlement there. It looks like the French were the first.

 

[WelshBloke]

I am not aware of finder's keepers as being the determinative law. However, I don't believe that the British were the first to set up a settlement there. It looks like the French were the first.

So that gives the Argentinians a claim to the Falklands?

 

[Fern]

After reading about it a bit I see nothing in history that indicates Argentina has the clearly rightful claim to the Falklands. Instead, it looks as thought the inhabitants should have the right to choose.

Fern

 

[RabidMongoose]

So that gives the Argentinians a claim to the Falklands?

No. I never said that it does. I am not aware of the determinative law being that of finder's keepers or 'who had the first settlement?'

 

[WelshBloke]

No. I never said that it does. I am not aware of the determinative law being that of finder's keepers or 'who had the first settlement?'

So what does give the Argentinians a claim to the Falklands then?

 

[RabidMongoose]

So what does give the Argentinians a claim to the Falklands then?

You don't know any of the reasons?

 

[WelshBloke]

You don't know any of the reasons?

I notice you've avoided giving any.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I notice you've avoided giving any.

I need to know how little you know of this issue first. Do you not know of the Argentinian positions on the Malvinas? If so, then I think that you need to do some basic research here. These are pretty well known and easy to find.

May I suggest that you educate yourself on the very basics of an issue before you engage in a serious discussion on it?

This actually explains a lot about your position.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I am not aware of finder's keepers as being the determinative law. However, I don't believe that the British were the first to set up a settlement there. It looks like the French were the first.

Multiple settlements were setup. In different locations. Different countries.
At the time, there was no Argentina.
In 1829, Argentina requested permission from the British to try to setup a settlement.
The first two failed and the third was supported by the British.
When the government on the islands started to exceed their bounds; the British stepped in.


Geographically, they may be closer to Argentina.

In that case; why do we (US) have the Marshals, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.

We were not the first, nor the closest country to any of those land masses.

There are islands in the Bering Sea that are closer to Russia than Alaska, yet they belong to Alaska

 

[WelshBloke]

I need to know how little you know of this issue first. Do you not know of the Argentinian positions on the Malvinas? If so, then I think that you need to do some basic research here. These are pretty well known and easy to find.

May I suggest that you educate yourself on the very basics of an issue before you engage in a serious discussion on it?

This actually explains a lot about your position.

So you're not going to post your reasons why you think Argentina has a claim then?

 

[WelshBloke]

Apparently Argentina is going to complain to the UN that the UK is sending a destroyer to the islands.

Maybe that's because the last time Argentina cranked up the rhetoric they tried to invade!

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Hmm, thanks for pointing this out. Though I don't think that would be enough to prevent an Argentinian takeover, so my point pretty much stands. The UK doesn't really have enough capability to project force beyond its mainland, IMO.

How is Argentina going to defeat them? They can't launch an air assault on the islands without having their forces massacred by the Typhoons the RAF has stationed on the island. Likewise even in it's current state the Royal Navy is more than a match for anything Argentina could field against them.

 

[CallMeJoe]

If Argentina gets to claim the Falklands due to proximity, does that mean RM and CoW would support United States sovereignty over Cuba? It's 200 miles closer...

 

[WelshBloke]

If Argentina gets to claim the Falklands due to proximity, does that mean RM and CoW would support United States sovereignty over Cuba? It's 200 miles closer...

And it has cigars and rum.

 

[monovillage]

And it has cigars and rum.

and babes, don't forget the babes.

 

[Nebor]

Hmm, thanks for pointing this out. Though I don't think that would be enough to prevent an Argentinian takeover, so my point pretty much stands. The UK doesn't really have enough capability to project force beyond its mainland, IMO.

1,400 UK soldiers are worth about 10,000 Argentinian soldiers. Keep in mind that the island now has formidable air defenses to prevent air assaults or paratrooper operations, and that the British Navy can totally block water access to the islands.

It's kind of funny when you think about it, the UK is a world away, but they can keep the Argentinians from moving around in their own back yard.

 

[Nebor]

Lol, OK that's probably the only decent post in the last few pages of this thread.

Thanks, I'm glad someone appreciated it. :biggrin:

 

[pcgeek11]

So you're not going to post your reasons why you think Argentina has a claim then?

Owned... All he does is dodge and weave. He has no answers.

 

[BladeVenom]

If Argentina gets to claim the Falklands due to proximity, does that mean RM and CoW would support United States sovereignty over Cuba? It's 200 miles closer...

Canada is closer to the USA than the Falklands are to Argentina. Therefore, lets claim Canada as property of the USA.

 

[RabidMongoose]

So you're not going to post your reasons why you think Argentina has a claim then?

Well, I would assume that you would know of the Argentinian claims. Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute

 

[RabidMongoose]

How is Argentina going to defeat them? They can't launch an air assault on the islands without having their forces massacred by the Typhoons the RAF has stationed on the island. Likewise even in it's current state the Royal Navy is more than a match for anything Argentina could field against them.

We'll have to agree to disagree here, but the issue is pretty pointless since I don't think that we're going to see an armed conflict between Argentina and the UK.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, I would assume that you would know of the Argentinian claims. Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute

So you're not going to post your reasons why you think Argentina has a claim then?

 

[RabidMongoose]

So you're not going to post your reasons why you think Argentina has a claim then?

I agree with Argentina's claims.