Fake Soldiers Used In RNC Video

GroundedSailor

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You have to hand it to the party of propaganda machine.

They go straight from a ban on pictures of real caskets to a video glamorizing a faked military funeral complete with fake grieving wife.

And shown on national TV at their convention.

I'm amazed!!



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...ates/main4415886.shtml

Fake Soldiers Used In RNC Video
Sept. 4, 2008(CBS) CBS News Investigative Producer Michael Rey wrote this story for CBSNews.com.

It was a video that was supposed to elicit soaring patriotism and real emotions about the Pledge of Allegiance. But to do that, it used fake soldiers and a staged military funeral instead of the real thing.

On Tuesday night, 15-year-old Victoria Blackstone, a sophomore at the St. Agnes School in St. Paul, led the crowd at the Xcel Energy Center in the Pledge of Allegiance. The audience heard her 434-word essay, ?Pledging myself to the Flag of the United States of America,? an essay she?d entered in the ?Wave the Stars & Stripes? essay contest and won. The RNC turned that essay into a three and a half minute video, a visually stirring montage rolling over Victoria?s words about sharing the Pledge with Americans who have stood at important moments in history.

There?s the Continental Congress?A real WWII vet?Photos of workers at Ground Zero. A close-up of a folded flag presented to a grieving widow at a military funeral? profiles of soldiers swelling with pride in slo-motion.

But CBS News found that the footage of the ?funeral? and soldiers is what is called ?stock? footage. The soldiers were actors and the funeral scene was from a one-day film shoot, produced in June. No real soldiers were used during production.

The footage, sold by stock-film house Getty Images was produced by a commercial filmmaker in Chicago. Both Getty and the production company, Mr. Big Films, confirmed that the footage was shot on spec and sold to the Republican National Committee.


One of the actors, Perry Denton of Chicago, Ill. also confirmed that he was hired on a day-rate as an actor for the shoot and told CBS News he was surprised to learn the footage was shown at the convention.

A veteran?s advocate said that with soldiers still deployed and in harm?s way, there is an obligation not to sugar coat reality.

?What it does reveal is a serious lack of understanding and a lack of personal connection to the military,? said Paul Rieckhoff, Executive Director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.

Rieckhoff, who is at the convention with a contingent of veterans added that a video tribute to Medal of Honor winner Michael Monsoor, a Navy Seal killed in Iraq, shown on Tuesday night, used combat video that appeared to him and several other veterans of the Iraq war to have been staged.

After a Web search of videos played at the Democratic National Convention last week, CBS News found no obvious use of stock footage.

The RNC did not respond to CBS News? request for a comment.


 

cwjerome

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The video is symbolic... to use real footage in that case is really not good form. Plus it's against military policy to use the uniform while engaged in political activities, etc.

I don't see it wrong if Rep, Dem, or anyone created their own imagery for patriotism/message background.
 

EagleKeeper

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Note that the article states the vidoe was shot on spec and then sold to the RNC.

The RNC did not order a false video.

The company shot a video and then hoped to peddle it (hence the use of spec).

You are not even making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is not even an ant hill.

You have been suckered by the media trying to create a story where none exists
 

Jhhnn

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Ya gotta understand, Grounded Sailor, that the RNC is all fantasy all the time... real footage wouldn't support the image they're trying to project.

Think of it as being in the same vein as massaged Iranian rocket launch videos, or a cute Chinese girl lip-synching at the olympics... or their digitally enhanced fireworks display...

Image over substance, every last time...
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Ya gotta understand, Grounded Sailor, that the RNC is all fantasy all the time... real footage wouldn't support the image they're trying to project.

Think of it as being in the same vein as massaged Iranian rocket launch videos, or a cute Chinese girl lip-synching at the olympics... or their digitally enhanced fireworks display...

Image over substance, every last time...

Styrofoam columns in St.Paul???
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Ya gotta understand, Grounded Sailor, that the RNC is all fantasy all the time... real footage wouldn't support the image they're trying to project.

Think of it as being in the same vein as massaged Iranian rocket launch videos, or a cute Chinese girl lip-synching at the olympics... or their digitally enhanced fireworks display...

Image over substance, every last time...

You hacks are so fucking retarded sometimes, make that all the time. You do realize while you are selling your soul with all that kool aid you drink that most of these ads are formed at least in part with bought footage.
 

Double Trouble

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Wow, another zealot trying to find something to "stick". There's plenty of real issues to disagree with the repubs on, can you guys just friggin' grow up and focus on real issues instead of some movie montage??
 

Moonbeam

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God damn people who manipulate others via phony patriotism and flag worship, who fornicate over symbols and have no real conception of the reality to which they allude. God help the feeble minded who think the become something behind a flag. Every gang in the ghetto has its colors.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
God damn people who manipulate others via phony patriotism and flag worship, who fornicate over symbols and have no real conception of the reality to which they allude. God help the feeble minded who think the become something behind a flag. Every gang in the ghetto has its colors.
USA! USA!
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Ya gotta understand, Grounded Sailor, that the RNC is all fantasy all the time... real footage wouldn't support the image they're trying to project.

Think of it as being in the same vein as massaged Iranian rocket launch videos, or a cute Chinese girl lip-synching at the olympics... or their digitally enhanced fireworks display...

Image over substance, every last time...

Styrofoam columns in St.Paul???

It's a set. Did you expect carved stone? :confused:

But yeah, totally agree that the OP isn't newsworthy. I don't like that the deaths are exploited on either side of the aisle.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
God damn people who manipulate others via phony patriotism and flag worship, who fornicate over symbols and have no real conception of the reality to which they allude. God help the feeble minded who think the become something behind a flag. Every gang in the ghetto has its colors.
USA! USA!

Damnit... I was headed to bed and the 'USA chant' comment made me laugh and wake up a little. Then I clicked your sig. Wrong. I'm wide awake now but wrong. I can't get Fred Sanford out of my head now. Thanks. :p

:thumbsup: to Moonbeam for another classic slap of reality that breaks sarcasm meters everywhere!
 

jpeyton

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Fake party, fake message, fake reform, fake change...
 

ProfJohn

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I still like the 3 AM Hillary ad that used old spec video.

Turns out the girl in the video was grown up and an Obama supporter... oops :)
 

dawp

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ehh, What do you expect of Republicans. They'll exploit just about anything for their own gain.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
The video is symbolic... to use real footage in that case is really not good form. Plus it's against military policy to use the uniform while engaged in political activities, etc.

I don't see it wrong if Rep, Dem, or anyone created their own imagery for patriotism/message background.

Gee, why do you think there might be such a policy - maybe to avoid POLITICIZING the military this way? And so what do the Republicans do - get around the policy sneakily.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I actually agree with this.

No need to feature the anguish of a real family and real soldiers death.

No need to politicize it with actors.
 

dahunan

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Maybe Iraqis should pay for ads here showing the 100,000 we have killed over there under McCain like policies?

Leave it to repugs to use SOLDIERS MURDERS AS POLITICAL PAWN PIECES

 

StageLeft

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I wonder how many who think this is nothing took offense at China's fantasy actors.
 

XMan

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IIRC it's against military regulations for a soldier to appear on behalf of a political candidate while in uniform. That's probably why actors were used.
 

Grunt03

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Fake party, fake message, fake reform, fake change...

Straight to the point. I have been in the service for 25 years and very proud of all our service members. To me it shows a stronger point that the military forces as a whole doesn't fully stand behind the susposedly "Hero" and his skirt wearing side kick.

They seem very desperate to me and willing to cross any line to acheive their goal... So very sad..........

 

GroundedSailor

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OK point taken about Military regulations.

However, the administration of this party has banned real caskets being photographed (presumably to avoid a negative impact on public opinion about the war - at least in the initial years), yet they have the gall to show a fake funeral?

If they wanted to honor the troops they could have used images of live troops, rather than use funeral footage. There's enough other footage in the public domain. Or they could have brought out a bunch of ex-military people and honored them on stage.

Or is it that they get better bang for their buck using funerals rather than the living?

I still think the concept of fake holds.