Facebook Recruiting Former Apple iPhone Engineers For Mystery Smartphone, Tablet

Will you buy a Facebook Smartphone and/or Tablet?

  • Yes.

  • I'd consider it.

  • No.


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lothar

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Can a software company build its own smartphone? We may find out soon.This past week, Google completed its acquisition of the hardware maker Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion, which could lead to the search giant’s making its own smartphone. But another software titan might be getting into the hardware game as well: Facebook.

Employees of Facebook and several engineers who have been sought out by recruiters there, as well as people briefed on Facebook’s plans, say the company hopes to release its own smartphone by next year. These people spoke only on the condition of anonymity for fear of jeopardizing their employment or relationships with Facebook.

The company has already hired more than half a dozen former Apple software and hardware engineers who worked on the iPhone, and one who worked on the iPad, the employees and those briefed on the plans said.

This would be Facebook’s third effort at building a smartphone, said one person briefed on the plans and one who was recruited. In 2010, the blog TechCrunch reported that Facebook was working on a smartphone. The project crumbled after the company realized the difficulties involved, according to people who had worked on it. The Web site AllThingsD reported last year that Facebook and HTC had entered a partnership to create a smartphone, code-named “Buffy,” which is still in the works.

Now, the company has been going deeper into the process, by expanding the group working on Buffy, and exploring other smartphone projects too, creating a team of seasoned hardware engineers who have built the devices before.

One engineer who formerly worked at Apple and worked on the iPhone said he had met with Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s chief executive, who then peppered him with questions about the inner workings of smartphones. It did not sound like idle intellectual curiosity, the engineer said; Mr. Zuckerberg asked about intricate details, including the types of chips used, he said. Another former Apple hardware engineer was recruited by a Facebook executive and was told about the company’s hardware explorations.

When asked Friday, Facebook did not deny or confirm that a project to build a smartphone existed, but pointed to a previous statement it gave to AllThingsD last year that said in part, “We’re working across the entire mobile industry; with operators, hardware manufacturers, OS providers, and application developers.”

For Facebook, the motivation is clear; as a newly public company, it must find new sources of revenue, and it fears being left behind in mobile, one of the most promising areas for growth.

“Mark is worried that if he doesn’t create a mobile phone in the near future that Facebook will simply become an app on other mobile platforms,” a Facebook employee said.

Facebook is going to great lengths to keep the phone project a secret, specifically not posting job listings on the company’s job Web site, but instead going door-to-door to find the right talent for the project.

But can a company that is wired as a social network learn how to build hardware? Mixing the cultures of hardware and software designers is akin to mixing oil and water. With the rare exception of Apple, other phone makers aren’t very good at this.

The biggest names in consumer electronics have struggled with phone hardware. Hewlett-Packard tried and failed. So did Dell. Sony has never done very well making phones.

“Building isn’t something you can just jump into,” explained Hugo Fiennes, a former Apple hardware manager for the first four iPhones who has since left Apple and is starting a new hardware company, Electric Imp. “You change the smallest thing on a smartphone and you can completely change how all the antennas work. You don’t learn this unless you’ve been doing it for a while.”

He added, “Going into the phone business is incredibly complex.”
Facebook also faces hurdles, often of its own making, on mobile. Twitter, for example, is fully integrated into the Apple iPhone and allows people to seamlessly send Twitter messages with photos or article links. Facebook, which has had a contentious relationship with Apple, is still not integrated into iOS.

One Facebook employee said the phone project had been rebooted several times because Facebook originally thought it could figure out hardware on its own. The company has since learned that it needed to bring in people with phone-making experience, several people said. So it is hiring hardware engineers to work with a phone manufacturer and design the shape, style and inner workings of a Facebook phone.

Despite the difficulties, Facebook seems well positioned in certain ways to enter the smartphone market. It already has an entire operating system complete with messaging, calendar, contacts and video, and an immense app store is on its way with thousands of highly popular apps. There’s also that billion-dollar camera app, in the form of Instagram.

If Facebook fails with its own team of engineers, it could buy a smartphone maker. The company took in $16 billion from its bumpy I.P.O. It could easily scoop up an infirm company like Research in Motion, which is valued at less than $6 billion, and drop a beautifully designed Facebook operating system on top of RIM’s phones. HTC, which is upset with Google for buying Motorola, is worth about $11.8 billion and becoming cheaper by the day.

Facebook would not necessarily challenge Apple if it entered the smartphone marketplace. Instead, it could be Facebook vs. Google, which makes the Android operating system, with both companies going after a huge number of buyers of lower-priced smartphones.

“When you offer an advertising-based phone, you’re targeting all the users on prepay that are budget-conscious of their communications costs,” said Carolina Milanesi, a vice president and analyst for the Gartner Group.

Ms. Milanesi said that at a mass market level, both companies could take the same approach as Amazon, offering low-cost hardware, like the Kindle, and subsidizing some of the costs through advertising.

After all, both Facebook and Google make their money through advertising. If the companies have the opportunity to continually put ads in front of people on a smartphone screen, you would think the only question left would be to pick the right ringtone that makes that ka-ching sound.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/facebook-tries-tries-again-on-a-smartphone/

I knew Google was Facebook's #1 enemy, but I never knew that Apple and Facebook had a contentious relationship.
 
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lothar

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That is what I said before. It is rumoured that Facebook people have been visiting Blackberry head office several times. With RIM problems they are ripe for a buy out and FB has the cash. Watch out apple!!!!
An Anandtech forum member in another thread suggested this dark horse option, to which I responded:
"Not sure if serious..."

Another responder commented about this supposedly dark horse suggestion by mentioning "I'm sure Apple is shaking in their boots."

Facebook is ripe with $16 billion in cash from selling their overpriced stock to idiots. The question is what will they do with that newly found $16 billion. RIMM? HTC? Angry Birds? Paper Camera? Zynga? or nothing at all?
 

Dulanic

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Maybe just maybe I might use it if they pay me to take the phone or the service was free... but even then that's a big if.
 

sygyzy

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I wonder what a Facebook phone would mean? I mean it's obviously going to run a custom Android build (or at least one that's heavily skinned/modded). Ok, and what's going to make it a FB phone? Maybe custom hardware button to launch/post to Facebook? We've already seen this before (I forgot the make/model).

I wouldn't touch this with a 10 yard stick. However, if it turns out that FB teamed up with HTC and made a One X or Samsung and essentially made a Galaxy Nexus or S3, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

When Amazon made a tablet, it made sense. For me, I can't figure out what a FB phone entails.
 

lothar

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I wonder what a Facebook phone would mean? I mean it's obviously going to run a custom Android build (or at least one that's heavily skinned/modded). Ok, and what's going to make it a FB phone? Maybe custom hardware button to launch/post to Facebook? We've already seen this before (I forgot the make/model).

I wouldn't touch this with a 10 yard stick. However, if it turns out that FB teamed up with HTC and made a One X or Samsung and essentially made a Galaxy Nexus or S3, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

When Amazon made a tablet, it made sense. For me, I can't figure out what a FB phone entails.
To answer your question, I you can look at the HTC Salsa and Chacha? Those were Facebook phones.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-chacha-review-13158968/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_salsa-review-619.php

A custom hardware "like" button? Facebook/Zynga bloatware apps installed by default?
 

wirednuts

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Better they spend some developer dollars making their Android app suck less.

heh, you just made me realize why it does suck so bad. theyve have been developing their own phone/tablet os for awhile now, and soon will release a hardware device for it. i bet within one year after that they will drop their android support completely.

makes sense for facebook though. i have always thought they could make their own phones. there is one slight problem though, google has the special talent already employed... i think that is clear. i dont think android could have grown from infancy to its current state any better in this short time. it almost seems like microsoft is already on the sidelines saying "hey, we still matter!".
 
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Bateluer

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heh, you just made me realize why it does suck so bad. theyve have been developing their own phone/tablet os for awhile now, and soon will release a hardware device for it. i bet within one year after that they will drop their android support completely.

That would be dumb of them, 2/3rds of all smartphones sold are Android. Android+iOS, and thats 90% of the global market. A FB phone wouldn't even register. :p

But, if they are that foolish, maybe it'll drive people to Google+. :)
 

WelshBloke

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I voted no but if they sell it off really cheap and I can flash an AOSP ROM to it then I might bite if the specs are good.
 

Oyeve

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Ugh. I cant wait until FB dies like myspace. Its become so douche now.
 

dagamer34

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If Facebook was smart, they'd stop with this silly phone business and pivot to one of their site's strengths: games. Go buy a game studio to make awesome mobile games that will keep people on your platform and stick ads in THAT. Or make your current mobile apps not so crappy by rehiring Joe Hewitt (he single handedly wrote v1.0-3.0 of the Facebook app for iPhone, which at the time groundbreaking).

I should point out that Facebook the company didn't get $16 billion, since it's not as if the company owned all the shared being sold (some had already been sold to investors). But I believe their current balance sheet holds around $11 billion in assets, but they did get an infusion of cold hard cash.
 

DeathReborn

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Just like I would stop using Opera if they bought that, I would avoid a Facebook phone like the plague.
 

Sheep

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Better they spend some developer dollars making their Android, iPhone, and iPad apps suck less.

FTFY. It's pathetic that their mobile website and apps like Friendcaster on Android work better on a smartphone than the official apps do.

I wouldn't touch a Facebook phone with a 1,000 foot pole. It takes a special level of retardedness to violate people's privacy as well and as often as they do. You know it's a sad state of affairs when Google look like the ultimate champions of privacy in comparison.
 
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I wonder what a Facebook phone would mean? I mean it's obviously going to run a custom Android build (or at least one that's heavily skinned/modded). Ok, and what's going to make it a FB phone? Maybe custom hardware button to launch/post to Facebook? We've already seen this before (I forgot the make/model).

I wouldn't touch this with a 10 yard stick. However, if it turns out that FB teamed up with HTC and made a One X or Samsung and essentially made a Galaxy Nexus or S3, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

When Amazon made a tablet, it made sense. For me, I can't figure out what a FB phone entails.

I have a feeling this would go the way of the Microsoft KIN. Semi dedicated social media phone that was DOA.
 

dguy6789

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Ugh. I cant wait until FB dies like myspace. Its become so douche now.

Never ever gonna happen sadly. Facebook is a word you could use next to things like computer and phone and refrigerator. Myspace never came close to that.
 
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lothar

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Facebook is on its third internal attempt to create a phone ..... just saying. FB goes public. Week later RIMM is seeking "strategic alternatives".

FWIW: I think the most likely outcome is that RIMM opens the BB10 OS to other manufacturers. Hopefully they don't end up with about 100 models like Droid. Verizon offers 50 Droid based smart phones right now. Kinda stupid. Worldwide their are manufacturers we have never heard of making them. Apple has a few phones to choose from. It would be nice if RIMM offered 10 or so smart phones through a strategic partnership.
Another user on AT mentioned this...
Coincidence? :hmm:
 

VirtualLarry

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Considering how Facebook considers an individual's privacy, I would steer well clear of a "Facebook phone", which would probably tell all the advertisers where you are at any minute, and pepper you with ads. No thanks.

Then again, modern smartphones aren't too different, really.

I don't own a smartphone.
 
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It did not sound like idle intellectual curiosity, the engineer said; Mr. Zuckerberg asked about intricate details, including the types of chips used

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Steelbom

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I like the poll results :cool:

I voted no because there was no "HELL NO" or "I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE" options.
 

the DRIZZLE

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I understand why they want to do this from a strategy standpoint, but this will be a complete boondoggle. The market is more mature than a lot of people think and customers are becoming fairly "sticky" to their current platform.
 

Aikouka

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Better they spend some developer dollars making their Android app suck less.

Since the Facebook app uses a lot of HTML, chances are it's as bad as the iOS app. It takes over a minute to load a friend's page on the phone, which doesn't make much sense.
 

poofyhairguy

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Whose the one person who voted 'Yes'? :confused:

OlafSicky it says.

I am not going to hate though, I can see the appeal of a Facebook phone. If they make it REALLY easy and target the "I like Facebook and I like being connected but even an iPhone is hard for me crowd" they will have a large following.