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F22 vs. F35 - Which is more likely to destroy the other?

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
All depends on the pilot.
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It would take a pretty incompetent F22 pilot to lose to a F35. An F22 would be able to see the F35 on radar long before it would be seen. It can easily out maneuver the F35, even without the thrust vectoring.

The F35 is basically an F22 lite.
 
People seem to forget that both the F-22 and the F-35 were designed by the same company for different purposes. The F-22 was the dedicated air superiority fighter while the F-35 was the lower-cost "jack of all trades" multirole aircraft. Same as with the F-15 vs. F-16. Asking which aircraft is better in the superiority role- the custom built air superiority fighter or the the custom built multirole aircraft- just doesn't make sense.

 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
People seem to forget that both the F-22 and the F-35 were designed by the same company for different purposes. The F-22 was the dedicated air superiority fighter while the F-35 was the lower-cost "jack of all trades" multirole aircraft. Same as with the F-15 vs. F-16. Asking which aircraft is better in the superiority role- the custom built air superiority fighter or the the custom built multirole aircraft- just doesn't make sense.
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Straight from the manufacturer's website:

First look, first shot, first kill. With supersonic speed, the most powerful engine ever flown in a fighter, the ability to carry weapons internally and avoid the aerodynamic drag of external stores, and turning agility of up to 9 g?s, the F-35 will provide close-in or long-range air-to-air combat capability second only to the F-22 Raptor, and superior to all other fighters.
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
People seem to forget that both the F-22 and the F-35 were designed by the same company for different purposes. The F-22 was the dedicated air superiority fighter while the F-35 was the lower-cost "jack of all trades" multirole aircraft. Same as with the F-15 vs. F-16. Asking which aircraft is better in the superiority role- the custom built air superiority fighter or the the custom built multirole aircraft- just doesn't make sense.
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the F-16 was actually designed to be a better air interceptor than the F15, and it was. through the 70s and 80s they added a ton of weight to the design to support bomb dropping and it's multirole mission. then the 15's regained superiority. There's an interesting book on the topic called John Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War.
 
Originally posted by: jteef
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
People seem to forget that both the F-22 and the F-35 were designed by the same company for different purposes. The F-22 was the dedicated air superiority fighter while the F-35 was the lower-cost "jack of all trades" multirole aircraft. Same as with the F-15 vs. F-16. Asking which aircraft is better in the superiority role- the custom built air superiority fighter or the the custom built multirole aircraft- just doesn't make sense.
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the F-16 was actually designed to be a better air interceptor than the F15, and it was. through the 70s and 80s they added a ton of weight to the design to support bomb dropping and it's multirole mission. then the 15's regained superiority. There's an interesting book on the topic called John Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War.
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The F-15 was always the better air superiority fighter. I think what you may be thinking of is the F-16's maneuverability, which is better than the F-15's. It makes it a better dogfighter but not a better air superiority fighter. The F-15's radar was better and usually carried longer range missiles, enabling it to shoot down a fighter such as the F-16 before the F-16 would be able to hit it.
 
1 on 1, the F22 will win every time, in every scenario, unless the Raptor pilot is brain dead.

Catch is, with the cost of the aircraft, that single F22 will be facing multiple F35s.
 
Originally posted by: Bateluer
1 on 1, the F22 will win every time, in every scenario, unless the Raptor pilot is brain dead.

Catch is, with the cost of the aircraft, that single F22 will be facing multiple F35s.
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I don't think it matters, 1 on 1, 1 or 1 on 4.

F22s aren't jut stealthy, there's many different thing they can do.

1. You cant shoot what you cant lock on to.
2. Radar range, 125-150miles is better than the 56 mile range of a F15.
3. Information warfare. F22s act as force multipliers with their radar and data links, they can tell what an allied F15 is locked on to, what other planes are locked onto what, where AA batteries are and everything else. Once you know what the enemy is doing, where, it just becomes a game of shooting fish in a barrel, especially if you outrange them and have the capabilities to effectively optimize allied operations as well.

In combat exercises against F15/16/18, numbers like 144-0 or 106-0 kill loss ratio is common. I remember a excerise, 8 raptors, 16 other aircraft v.s. 40 re team F15/16/18 and the result was 144-0(red team was allowed to regenerate losses while blue team was not)

I would be confident putting 4 F22s against 24 opposing Gen 4 fighters with identical support and pilot skill level like the the Mig 29. Against Typhoons, harder to tell, but even 2 or 3 on 1, my money is still on 8-12 typhoons down and no raptor losses.

Typhoons are beasts in the old movie dogfight way. They're maneuverable, excellent acceleration, etc, but in today's battlefield(where visual range combat is largely an anachronism), it would be wholesale slaughter against a F22 force with identical support.

Radar and stealth are what it's all about on today's battlefield. If a plane like the F22 can lock you 40 miles further than you can see it, you just lost half a wing of fighters.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: jteef
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
People seem to forget that both the F-22 and the F-35 were designed by the same company for different purposes. The F-22 was the dedicated air superiority fighter while the F-35 was the lower-cost "jack of all trades" multirole aircraft. Same as with the F-15 vs. F-16. Asking which aircraft is better in the superiority role- the custom built air superiority fighter or the the custom built multirole aircraft- just doesn't make sense.
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the F-16 was actually designed to be a better air interceptor than the F15, and it was. through the 70s and 80s they added a ton of weight to the design to support bomb dropping and it's multirole mission. then the 15's regained superiority. There's an interesting book on the topic called John Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War.
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The F-15 was always the better air superiority fighter. I think what you may be thinking of is the F-16's maneuverability, which is better than the F-15's. It makes it a better dogfighter but not a better air superiority fighter. The F-15's radar was better and usually carried longer range missiles, enabling it to shoot down a fighter such as the F-16 before the F-16 would be able to hit it.
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The original intent of the F16 was to be a low cost, high maneuverability air combat fighter.
The F5E was not considered to be acceptable - they wanted a new fighter from scratch.

The F16 PMO also did not like the fact that the F15 had the capability of the F16 and then some. They then started asking GD for additional capabilities to counter act the plans for the F15E Strike Eagle.

In the final pissing match (during the Cold War), both programs got the enhancements that they were requesting.
A joke in the Eagle community was the only difference between the 15 and 16 (as planned by F16 PMO) was the cost of 1 engine.
 
They fulfill different roles, if they were to fight neither one could see the other so they would just fly right on by.
 
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Anybody know if this is Russian propaganda or for real?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZtCmA_r84

(Found it interesting)
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This is nothing more than a disgruntled Russian making some good points about his countries Su35 capabilities. He appears to be making one mistake however, in that the on board radar of the Russian plane is all the advantage it needs. The F22 works in concert with other air, ground and space assets. One shot. One kill.

I think the Su35 has set us up the bomb and has no chance to survive. Make your time. Ha ha ha.
 
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
one thing I noticed was the maximum altitude of flight.

F22 can go to 60,000 feet while the F35 can only go 45,0000. that 15,000 feet is a huge advantage for the F22.


my money is on the F22.

secondly, I believe the F22 is not an airplane that is sold to other countries, while the F35 was made partly to sell to other countries.

obviously the US wont sell more powerful jet fighters to other countries than its own.
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I'm sure the 45k celing for the typhoon is wrong. I suspect both planes can exceed 60k.
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Sorry to disappoint you but the ceiling on the f35 is a mere 48k.....
 
This is a silly argument. I imagine that the answer to the question is that if an F-22 faced off against an F-35 in a sterile airspace, the better pilot would win. Remember, both aircraft are low observable, so both aircraft would probably leave their respective radars off, further, I don't know if the AIM-120 can reliably hit a low observable target. Really, it would probably come down to which aircraft saw the other first, and got a good AIM-9 shot off.

But again, it's a silly argument. The F-22's job is to fly into hostile airspace and suppress everything by using it's unique abilities. If you're cruising at Mach 1.5, 60,000 feet up, and know where everything is thanks to your AWACS link, nothing can possibly threaten you. You can effectively turn the hostile airspace into friendly airspace, something no other fighter in history could do. I seriously doubt that the F-35 is capable of that.

If, on the other hand, you need a simple strike package that won't require lots of fighter support and SAM suppression, the F-35 is perfect, and the F-22 probably won't perform the mission any better.
 
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: RichUK
Eurofighter Typhoon > F22/F35.

/thread.
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LOL
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UK > USA


GG, kthxbye
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You made a mistake. Let me fix that for you.
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Oh, that's rich.
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It is indeed.
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Unlike your country.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.co...-is-poorest-120260.php
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
F-22, every time. The F-35 might have some newer technology, but it's not a superior air-to-air fighter. Perhaps more importantly, the U.S. is the only country with F-22s, but F-35s are going to be produced in much larger quantities and sold to air forces around the world as a replacement for the F-16. Since there will be F-35s everywhere, the U.S. probably required the F-35 design to be inferior to the F-22 to protect our own interests.

The F-35s advantages are in its lower cost, VTOL, and multi-role capabilities.
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Negative, the export F-35 is an international variant.

There is a USA only F-35.

(Coming from a Canadian who's military is buying the international variant)
 
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