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F150 Ecoboost

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If memory serves the engine was pulled off of an assembly line at random, it wasn't purpose-built for this gauntlet of abuse.
 
IIRC, the 3.5L Ecoboost engine can be made in a 4.0L version...can't imagine the numbers a 4.0L ecoboost would put up.

The problem is the same as it always seems to be with regard to fuel economy, though. It doesn't make economic sense to buy the ecoboost engine for the fuel economy because it's a money loser. You'll never recoup or even break even.

Better to just buy it for the burnouts and the neverending torque. 😛
 
I also keep wishing they would put out a full sized ecoboost V8. The great power out of a small package formula is great of course but the same type of technology in a 5/6 L V8? That could be truly awesome. I have to think it's coming, it's a bit tragic that the ecoboost V6 is nearly the equal of the 6.2L range topping motor. Then put that in a Mustang...

I generally consider myself a pretty savvy consumer, and nearly unaffected by marketing hype but I'll admit to being quite impressed by their little torture test marketing run. I watched every video when they came out, showed it to friends, etc. Very cool stuff.

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DeathBUA said:
Oh god that would be amazing. Probably figure at least 500HP and 600ft/lbs??
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The 3.5L was already at 415hp when it was called Twinforce...what Ford is using now is a very mild tune, I guess.



The Lincoln MKR’s engine also is flex fuel capable, providing the driver with the flexibility to switch back and forth between gasoline and E-85 ethanol. Combining the high octane found in E-85 or premium gasoline with TwinForce technology allows the MKR’s V-6 to deliver 415 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque – an impressive 118 horsepower per liter.
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LTC8K6 said:
The 3.5L was already at 415hp when it was called Twinforce...what Ford is using now is a very mild tune, I guess.
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Well you figure they are only running what like 7PSI of boost on the taurus? Yeah you've got some headroom for sure. And heck even strip away all the fuel saving measures built into the ECU and I'll bet just a simple flash of the ECU would gain you some very easy HP...while voiding your warranty of course
 
DeathBUA said:
Well you figure they are only running what like 7PSI of boost on the taurus? Yeah you've got some headroom for sure. And heck even strip away all the fuel saving measures built into the ECU and I'll bet just a simple flash of the ECU would gain you some very easy HP...while voiding your warranty of course
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Maybe Ford will put out a flash upgrade for you like they did for the PStroke. 😛

Come in and we'll flash your SHO to 390hp!
 
The 3.5L Ecoboost is clearly held back, in a big way. That torque curve is artificially flat: boot and fuel are controlled to provide a good driving experience with maximum reliability and fuel economy. It's a great combination for a factory warrantied motor.

While an aftermarket tweaked Ecoboost would be nice, I don't know that there is any value in it to replace another motor in a non-factory application. A DOHC V6 is not compact and the Ecoboost's top line tech means pricey. In those cases, a good old big cube engine is hard to beat for value and simplicity.

That said, if I had an Ecoboost an aftermarket tune and exhaust would be first on my list. It may make the motor seem more "peaky," but if "peaky" means ~400-450 ft-lbs in the middle of the rev range, I wouldn't complain!
 
fbrdphreak said:
It should certainly be durable: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/0...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
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yeah thats pretty cool, but honestly i think most modern truck engines could survive this. now if it was one single F150 truck, with its greaseless balljoints and all, lasting 163,000 miles+ without any maintenance then you got something. i know it wouldnt win that baja race, but everything else....

my 99 ranger has 202,000 miles on it now, and while ive replaced a LOT of suspension parts, tranny, wheel bearings and such.. ive spend under $200 in parts for the engine itself. just spark plugs and a couple sensors. thats it. the motor just goes goes goes goes and goes some more, and to this day it runs like new. doesnt shake at idle, in fact it can be hard to tell its running while its idling. and its every bit as fast as it was the day i bought it.
 
fbrdphreak said:
That said, if I had an Ecoboost an aftermarket tune and exhaust would be first on my list. It may make the motor seem more "peaky," but if "peaky" means ~400-450 ft-lbs in the middle of the rev range, I wouldn't complain!
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i agree. most engines you cant do much without major mods, but having twin turbos means you CAN do some simple mods for some nice gains.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Maybe Ford will put out a flash upgrade for you like they did for the PStroke. 😛

Come in and we'll flash your SHO to 390hp!
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I thought I saw somewhere that this is an option because the 2011's are receiving new maps that bump the power figures similar to the F150.
 
Demo24 said:
I thought I saw somewhere that this is an option because the 2011's are receiving new maps that bump the power figures similar to the F150.
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2011 SHO does not list a hp boost that I can see.

I wouldn't doubt that some are trying to use the F150 mapping, but the SHO is AWD and the driveline components may not be up to it.

Another oddity is that the standard 3.5L engines all got Ti-VCT and higher compression for 2011, bumping them from 265hp to 285hp, except for the Taurus. It's still listed as 263hp.
 
LTC8K6 said:
2011 SHO does not list a hp boost that I can see.

I wouldn't doubt that some are trying to use the F150 mapping, but the SHO is AWD and the driveline components may not be up to it.

Another oddity is that the standard 3.5L engines all got Ti-VCT and higher compression for 2011, bumping them from 265hp to 285hp, except for the Taurus. It's still listed as 263hp.
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oops, I think the possible changes are coming in 2012 with a potential 400hp SHO version. 😎
 
Throckmorton said:
How much will it cost to swap one of these into my Cherokee?
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More than your Cherokee is worth.

wirednuts said:
yeah thats pretty cool, but honestly i think most modern truck engines could survive this. now if it was one single F150 truck, with its greaseless balljoints and all, lasting 163,000 miles+ without any maintenance then you got something. i know it wouldnt win that baja race, but everything else....
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Fair point, but realize that this test was not about their trucks - of which there is plenty of durability testing. This is about a brand new engine that will have your traditional pick up buyer ("Turrboh? Why would I want one of those?" "It ain't got enuf silenders innit. Need ate silenders to giterdone") questioning why they would pay more for this new-fangled technology. Well - now they know it IS reliable and that it will outdo the V8 in performance and fuel economy.

I too am curious about the timeframe for an Ecoboosted V8 or the 3.5L EB in a Mustang. I'd be surprised if a tuner shop wasn't already working on an EB in a Mustang.
 
fbrdphreak said:
More than your Cherokee is worth.

Fair point, but realize that this test was not about their trucks - of which there is plenty of durability testing. This is about a brand new engine that will have your traditional pick up buyer ("Turrboh? Why would I want one of those?" "It ain't got enuf silenders innit. Need ate silenders to giterdone") questioning why they would pay more for this new-fangled technology. Well - now they know it IS reliable and that it will outdo the V8 in performance and fuel economy.

I too am curious about the timeframe for an Ecoboosted V8 or the 3.5L EB in a Mustang. I'd be surprised if a tuner shop wasn't already working on an EB in a Mustang.
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i see what youre saying. but the only real "new" technology is the twin cam independent variable valve timing. that is something that has only been on luxury cars for the last few years.

turbos are well tested and researched, and usually are easy to change out if needed.

so to me, adding turbos and variable valve timing are nice, but you see it in the price too. thing is, $4500 for those options is actually really cheap compared to comparable upgrades out there, and thats why the ecoboost is cool. so i guess like you said, it is nice they showed everyone that reliability remains unchanged. i just sort of took it as a new level of durability, and its really not.
 
Great thread. I'm a Jeep owner myself who knows for towing I'm gonna have to look at something else. I've been at Fords' site countless times building and drooling. The EcoBoost is killer. Let's see them put it in the Ranger. hehehe. Now If I can just sell that kidney...
 
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