F1 - Driver with the most wins is the 2009 champion

[punjabiplaya]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/3/9024.html

interesting...

 

[Kabob]

What the hell? Can they not leave the series alone for crying out loud??

Someone wins every race up till half + 1 race and sits out the rest of the season? I know it's not gonna happen but still...this is stupid.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Good, we'll see drivers fighting for 1st on the last lap instead of just driving for points and second place finishes.

 

[BassBomb]

With this system could you theoretically have the most points, but lose 1st?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
With this system could you theoretically have the most points, but lose 1st?

Sure you could. But with the current system you could have the guy with the most wins lose the championship because of someone being more consistent. Which is the bigger travesty? Last year Lewis Hamilton won the Championship with 98 points to Felipe Massa's 97 points even though Massa won 6 races to Hamilton's 5 race wins.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BassBomb
With this system could you theoretically have the most points, but lose 1st?

Sure you could. But with the current system you could have the guy with the most wins lose the championship because of someone being more consistent. Which is the bigger travesty? Last year Lewis Hamilton won the Championship with 98 points to Felipe Massa's 97 points even though Massa won 6 races to Hamilton's 5 race wins.

The counter-argument would be to ask who is a better driver, a guy who wins 5 times and crashes in every other race or a guy who wins twice and posts top 5 finishes in every other race?

Personally, I'm with you and I think that the most wins is a good system, but there are arguments both ways.

ZV

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BassBomb
With this system could you theoretically have the most points, but lose 1st?

Sure you could. But with the current system you could have the guy with the most wins lose the championship because of someone being more consistent. Which is the bigger travesty? Last year Lewis Hamilton won the Championship with 98 points to Felipe Massa's 97 points even though Massa won 6 races to Hamilton's 5 race wins.

The counter-argument would be to ask who is a better driver, a guy who wins 5 times and crashes in every other race or a guy who wins twice and posts top 5 finishes in every other race?

Personally, I'm with you and I think that the most wins is a good system, but there are arguments both ways.

ZV

Agreed...it's not a perfect system but I am looking forward to this season to see how the rule changes play out.

I would add that the current system doesn't give enough reward for a race win. Only 2 points separate 1st place and 2nd place so there is no reason to fight for 1st if you can comfortably bring the car home in 2nd. They changed to this arrangement because a few years back Michael Schumacher had clinched the Championship with something like 6 or 7 races left to run in the season. He could have sat out the rest of the season and still won the title.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: punjabiplaya
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/3/9024.html

interesting...

Either way, Ferrari will some how figure out how to screw Massa.

 

[boomhower]

This is freaking stupid. It keeps getting worse and worse. First the budget cuts and now this? Common. I am a huge NASCAR fan, and am a huge F1 fan. I like nascar for its own reason and like F1 for the technological marvel that it is. Now they are just killing it, I am still waiting for them to ban fueling during the race like they were talking about a while back.

 

[punjabiplaya]

I dunno about this. We'll just have to wait and see. Massa was clearly the best driver last season. If his car hadn't failed him the first two races, and then in Singapore. However, it is a team sport and reliability and pit crew are def. part of the solution to winning. We'll see. Honestly though, I don't think anyone will care(other than fanboys of course) if the new aero/tires/KERS actually work to produce more overtaking.

 

[Lonyo]

Apparently it can't come in as a rule for this year unless the teams all agree, and they won't agree.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73809
So it might not happen and they might end up sticking with 10-8-6 etc.

If they'd listened to the teams in the first place, and gone with 12-9-7 then this whole fiasco would never have happened.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Didn't the 10-8-6 get introduced because Michael was winning so many races that the contest was over half way through the season? Isn't this just a step back to that? Oh look I have won 10 races, I don't even need to turn up to any more to get the trophy

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Didn't the 10-8-6 get introduced because Michael was winning so many races that the contest was over half way through the season? Isn't this just a step back to that? Oh look I have won 10 races, I don't even need to turn up to any more to get the trophy

Read the thread. I already posted this.

It seems likely that this rule won't be in place for this season after all.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45300

FIA willing to back-track on points

The FIA says it is willing to go back on the decision to introduce a new championship system for the 2009 season after the Formula 1 teams questioned the rule change's validity.

Earlier today the Formula One Teams' Association issued a statement arguing that the FIA could not make such a change to the sporting regulations so close to the start of the season unless all the teams were in agreement.

FOTA had recommended a 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points system, but the FIA World Motor Sport Council instead voted in favour of Bernie Ecclestone's idea for the title to automatically go to the driver with the most race wins, with the points only being used to decide tie-breaks and the lesser positions.

Now the FIA has responded to FOTA by saying it believed the teams supported Ecclestone's 'winner takes all' idea, and that the change could be postponed if it turned out that the teams did not approve of its introduction.

"On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA?s proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One drivers? championship," said an FIA statement.

"The ?winner takes all? proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved.

"If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010."

World champions Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso and Michael Schumacher had all spoken out against the points change this week, while FOTA had expressed its concern at the way the decision was taken.

FIA president Max Mosley and Ecclestone had been adamant that the move would create more exciting racing this season.

 

[LTC8K6]

Doesn't Bernie usually get what he wants?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

'twas a stupid rule.

a) it wildly over-compensates for the 1st to 2nd points value

b) it's a major and awkward change for a system in need of only minor tweaking

c) the rule was announced later than the last minute and with no warning

d) at least it's not bernie's entire gold, silver and bronze medals idea, because that would be FUCKING LA-HA-HA-HAME

 

[D1gger]

FIA confirms points system unchanged

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 24th 2009, 12:30 GMT

The FIA has now officially reverted Formula 1's points system back to how it was last year, after abandoning the 'winner takes all' concept.

Last week, the FIA's World Motor Sport Council approved a move to hand the world championship to the driver who scored the most wins, rather than the one who scored the most points.

That decision angered F1 teams and, through the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), it complained that the rule change had been implemented against the FIA's own regulations - which state such late alterations to the regulations cannot go through without the unanimous support of the teams.

Looks like no change until 2010

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