F@H: Why are so many ppl inactive?
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I think (only in my opinion) Some folded like a fasion, they don't see much benefit of it so they stopped. Some have only one system or slow systems they got only a few points per day so they stopped. Some (a lot) moved to Seti project S@H and/or other teams, Some don't like to leave computer on all days and nights and some can't afford to pay their electric bill.
I myself move for somewhere elses to here becuz I participate more on AT forum.
I myself move for somewhere elses to here becuz I participate more on AT forum.
There was a huge recruiting drive to get more people interested in F@H here a long time ago. For a while, our team was doing very well (we were up to 17th position at one time), but then the SETI people started the famous TA vs. DSLR (now BBR) race, and many people (including myself) switched projects to help them out (the race was very close). Unfortunately, many of them did not return; this partly explains the large number of inactive members that we have now.Originally posted by: OverVolt
Like 3/4th of the members have like 100< points. I don't understand why you would go through the trouble of getting F@H on ur comp and download it and then not run it!
An interesting statistic is that our production now, on average (we've been kind of low these past few weeks, but we're still doing ok), is much higher than it was back in the day when we were in 17th position. I guess the other teams have just been increasing their power over time, and we've been left behind. Thanks to new members (like you!) who seem to be joining slowly but steadily, we will hopefully get more potential to move up in the ranks.
Benchmarks for a particular WU are hard to come across, because the there are many different kinds of WUs, and the projects change frequently.
The statistics are actually very easy to understand. Unlike SETI, where different WUs have different complexity (related to the angle rate, or something like that, from what I can gather), but you receive the same credit for each WU (and time is left to average out your stats), the F@H stats system rates each WU for complexity, and you get a different amount of "score" based on how hard the WU was to complete. That's why you see two different columns in the stats pages; one for number of WUs, and one for the total of the "complexity score" (or whatever they call it).
At the time I stopped doing F@H it was 'cuz there was no way to cache alot of WUs like you can with SETI.
Has that changed?
Has that changed?
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To tell ya the truth i was gonna do S@H 1st, but i already downladed and ran F@H, and i'd rather leave the extra CPU cycles toward something a lil more usful than searching for aliens in radiowaves or whatever Seti is.
all i do is boot up the comps, open F@H, and i'm good to go. And the score is all you need to care about, not the WU's.
But i know S@H does have aloot more cool stats than F@H, but F@H is a better cause! There should be a F@H recruiting campiegn!!
And i agree with Yai, if ya only have one rig F@H can be a hassle.
all i do is boot up the comps, open F@H, and i'm good to go. And the score is all you need to care about, not the WU's.
But i know S@H does have aloot more cool stats than F@H, but F@H is a better cause
! There should be a F@H recruiting campiegn!!And i agree with Yai, if ya only have one rig F@H can be a hassle.
Originally posted by: OverVolt
To tell ya the truth i was gonna do S@H 1st, but i already downladed and ran F@H, and i'd rather leave the extra CPU cycles toward something a lil more usful than searching for aliens in radiowaves or whatever Seti is.
all i do is boot up the comps, open F@H, and i'm good to go. And the score is all you need to care about, not the WU's.
But i know S@H does have aloot more cool stats than F@H, but F@H is a better cause
And i agree with Yai, if ya only have one rig F@H can be a hassle.
I couldn't have said it better myself. No use in searching for aliens. We should be working on cures..
I guess I'd be an inactive F@H user, I was folding for you guys for a while, but then some friends and I started up our own team and are doing pretty well. I only got about 8 WUs or so for the TeAm before I switched over.
Originally posted by: orion7144
Originally posted by: OverVolt
To tell ya the truth i was gonna do S@H 1st, but i already downladed and ran F@H, and i'd rather leave the extra CPU cycles toward something a lil more usful than searching for aliens in radiowaves or whatever Seti is.
all i do is boot up the comps, open F@H, and i'm good to go. And the score is all you need to care about, not the WU's.
But i know S@H does have aloot more cool stats than F@H, but F@H is a better cause
And i agree with Yai, if ya only have one rig F@H can be a hassle.
I couldn't have said it better myself. No use in searching for aliens. We should be working on cures..
anandtech is a highly seti orientated team
look at how many threads are started about seti, they usually don't even bother to put "seti" in the thread topic
most of the people here aren't interested in anything but seti
those that ARE interested in other stuff are splintered and have to fight over the few participants that are willing to do non-seti projects, so DF, F@H, SoB, etc , etc remain minor teams
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I've said this before, many other Teams have sub Fourms Seperating the differant projects. A newbe coming to DC would tend to join the more popular project, which right now is Seti, giving us an unfair advantage. I Don't see the big deal in setting up the Fourms this way, but then again i don't have to do it
Well, if you look at most projects, including SETI@Home, you'll find that most of them have an active membership that settles in at around 1/3 of the overall members. I haven't checked SETI in a while but I remember it was that way last time I checked.
Note: As far as running SETI instead of other projects, my reasoning for focusing on SETI is because the project is easy to do in a "set it and forget it" mode. By that I mean it doesn't require a bunch of baby-sitting. I install the client, point it to my local SetiQ, and start the service. That's it. I've had several dozen clients running for literally years without me touching them.
I've tried helping several other projects and must say that none of them have anywhere near the stability, ease of install, and lack of maintenance that SETI@Home has.
Note: As far as running SETI instead of other projects, my reasoning for focusing on SETI is because the project is easy to do in a "set it and forget it" mode. By that I mean it doesn't require a bunch of baby-sitting. I install the client, point it to my local SetiQ, and start the service. That's it. I've had several dozen clients running for literally years without me touching them.
I've tried helping several other projects and must say that none of them have anywhere near the stability, ease of install, and lack of maintenance that SETI@Home has.
Wow - Even worse than I remember it...Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...SETI has 560 active and 1885 inactive.
Oh well, people start a project and quit running it or move on to another project. What can we do?Originally posted by: orion7144
Originally posted by: OverVolt
To tell ya the truth i was gonna do S@H 1st, but i already downladed and ran F@H, and i'd rather leave the extra CPU cycles toward something a lil more usful than searching for aliens in radiowaves or whatever Seti is.
all i do is boot up the comps, open F@H, and i'm good to go. And the score is all you need to care about, not the WU's.
But i know S@H does have aloot more cool stats than F@H, but F@H is a better cause
And i agree with Yai, if ya only have one rig F@H can be a hassle.
I couldn't have said it better myself. No use in searching for aliens. We should be working on cures..
These kind of comments really irk me! You don't see Robor or I going around trash-talking the F@H project, or any other for that matter. Each person can run whatever project they feel is appropriate. You may well think that one project has merit over another, but out of respect, I'd ask that you keep it to yourself.
Assimilator1
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No use in searching for aliens
Rubbish!
Yeah I know that was a rather longwinded counter argument
Seriously though don't berate other projects please ,they all have their merits
Btw to those newer members around here let me tell you a little story!
Going way back to Nov '99 when I joined TA SETI,it was just a little backwater team (but a great team then nonetheless) ,RC5 & OGR were big ,TA RC5 was a vastly bigger team.Most threads through the DC forum were RC5 & you had to dig around for the SETI ones.On the face of it ,it looked 'unfair' for one such project to have so many more members ,but thats the way it goes when one project starts before another!.
Keeping the profile up of the team via HellBurners daily stats & other SETI related threads by dedicated members along with recruiting (mostly subtle but sometimes high profile) from other forum sections not from other projects, payed off in the long run.About 1yr latter TA SETIs output had more than trippled & the forum activity was much higher too ,& this was before the mass exodus from RC5 to SETI when the Dave McCowen case hit the news.That exodus btw added about 1/3 to TAs output!:Q.
Anyway,the point is ,if your really interested in a project keep its profile up,recruite ,be patient & in time your team will grow as will the activity about it.
As for having seperate forum sections for different projects ,I'm not sure thats a good idea for the smaller projects.That would reduce the chance of those members that would run multiple projects & also the smaller projects would have a very quiet forum ,do you really want that?
Rubbish!
Yeah I know that was a rather longwinded counter argument
Seriously though don't berate other projects please ,they all have their merits
Btw to those newer members around here let me tell you a little story!
Going way back to Nov '99 when I joined TA SETI,it was just a little backwater team (but a great team then nonetheless) ,RC5 & OGR were big ,TA RC5 was a vastly bigger team.Most threads through the DC forum were RC5 & you had to dig around for the SETI ones.On the face of it ,it looked 'unfair' for one such project to have so many more members ,but thats the way it goes when one project starts before another!.
Keeping the profile up of the team via HellBurners daily stats & other SETI related threads by dedicated members along with recruiting (mostly subtle but sometimes high profile) from other forum sections not from other projects, payed off in the long run.About 1yr latter TA SETIs output had more than trippled & the forum activity was much higher too ,& this was before the mass exodus from RC5 to SETI when the Dave McCowen case hit the news.That exodus btw added about 1/3 to TAs output!:Q.
Anyway,the point is ,if your really interested in a project keep its profile up,recruite ,be patient & in time your team will grow as will the activity about it.
As for having seperate forum sections for different projects ,I'm not sure thats a good idea for the smaller projects.That would reduce the chance of those members that would run multiple projects & also the smaller projects would have a very quiet forum ,do you really want that?
You can start it as a service just in case you forget to launch F@H
I've started doing this on all my crunchers that have the capability, I find it much more convenient.On a side note, I plugged away over 3000 wu's with Seti, before I got bored and moved on to something else. So I started with Genome@Home and liked it, mainly because I could move up the ranks pretty fast
Then I heard G@H's work would be moved into the F@H client so I switched, and here I am I am saddened to see this turned into a SETI vs. non-SETI argument.
Can't we all get along? I mean, though I don't believe that aliens exist (let alone that they will ever be found), I still won't trash talk the SETI project. Each thing has its merits, and we're all free to do what we want. Let's have fun crunching WUs and coexist in harmony.
Can't we all get along? I mean, though I don't believe that aliens exist (let alone that they will ever be found), I still won't trash talk the SETI project. Each thing has its merits, and we're all free to do what we want. Let's have fun crunching WUs and coexist in harmony.
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DOWN WITH SETI!!!! lolOriginally posted by: jliechty
I am saddened to see this turned into a SETI vs. non-SETI argument.
Can't we all get along? I mean, though I don't believe that aliens exist (let alone that they will ever be found), I still won't trash talk the SETI project. Each thing has its merits, and we're all free to do what we want. Let's have fun crunching WUs and coexist in harmony.
I can see where Seti has the need for massive CPU power, but it makes more sense to me for using the power for somethin a little more useful than panning the sky.
I just don't see why F@H has a more practical cause and more ppl join S@H, i guess it's the cooler stats
!Each project has it's own merit and worth. Some of us prefer one over the other and that's our choice. This site has always managed to maintain a good relationship between projects and members but every once in a while an argument starts and in the end nothing good comes of it.
The best thing to do is promote the project you prefer and avoid bashing other projects. Get involved by assisting other users who have questions or helping do stats or races. That way no arguments get started and we can all get along.
The best thing to do is promote the project you prefer and avoid bashing other projects. Get involved by assisting other users who have questions or helping do stats or races. That way no arguments get started and we can all get along.
Also another thing to think about, is that Seti was probably one of the first of its kind. Most of the old timers have so much CPU time invested in their Seti stats, they probably won't switch until the project actually ends.
I had decent Seti stats, but I liked the opportunity to move up fast, where as in Seti I was kinda hitting a wall and not moving up much anymore.
I had decent Seti stats, but I liked the opportunity to move up fast, where as in Seti I was kinda hitting a wall and not moving up much anymore.
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