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[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Fair enough ,I've got an 8yr old Enlight case with the side panel open ,the front fan got really noisey & I still haven't replaced it .I'm toying with the idea of a new case which can take 120mm fans front & rear ,but I don't want to bin my trusty old Enlight ,maybe I could give it away?.....

pics? I might take it if it looks like something I could use

You in the UK?

natethegreat
Nice ,I'm not familiar with that mbrd ,what chipset has it got?

MM
Whilst I could fit a 120mm fan to the front (by cutting out metal from the bottom edge right upto the FDD!:Q) there's no room to fit a 120mm fan to the rear at all.I've already opened up the rear hole to take 92mm.I think it's gonna have to go!

 

[scottv67]

Hi All:

I noticed that everyone is talking about building more systems. I have a boatload of parts in my spare bedroom. If you are building a system and need something like a 120mm fan or the original heatsink/cooling fan that came with the Intel C2D and Intel quadcore CPUs, drop me a line. Right now I have three or four brand new 120mm fans and at least that many original Intel CPU coolers.

I will part with the items in my "parts pile" for a few dollars each plus the cost of shipping via UPS. I am not trying to make money on these items, I am trying to free-up my spare bedroom. Plus this helps other TeAm member get their Folding rigs running (the parts "stay in the family").

The bigger stuff (an Abit AW9DMAX with E6600) will probably end up going on eBay. For the little stuff, send me an email to see if I've got what you need in stock: scottv67@hotmail.com.

Thanks,

-scott :beer:

 

[Insidious]

Thanks Scott

I've been whitling at my Pile-O-Parts too.... it's amazing how they begin to add up over time.

-Sid

(I'm good for now)

 

[petrusbroder]

I just got rid of all the parts which were from the 1980-ies: Hercules color graphics adapter, a 8088-mobo with math-coprocessor, a 286 mobo, a MFM-hdd-controller, several serial-cards, a gaming card ... tomorrow I'll clean up the 1990-stuff. there are a few 386 mobos, PCI-graphic cards and some pentium (the very first ...), pentium II and Pentium III stuff ---- it is already 2 big boxes full - some 30 kg (=70 pounds or so). I almost cried when I found the Hercules CGA - it cost me more than 200 US$ at that time.

 

[Markfw]

I threw out a Suburban full of old hardware, and I have that much more left ! If you look close at the pictures I posted in the race thread, you can see piles of cards, disks, motherboards, all over the room.

The only thing that hurts right now, is the $5k worth of stuff I put into the Dual 248 Opteron's box (less than 5 years ago). And I can't sell it for $400.

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

MM
Whilst I could fit a 120mm fan to the front (by cutting out metal from the bottom edge right upto the FDD!:Q) there's no room to fit a 120mm fan to the rear at all.I've already opened up the rear hole to take 92mm.I think it's gonna have to go!

(OT: you're the only other one I've seen, besides yours truly, that uses the word "whilst" -- I love that word.)

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: petrusbroder
. . . a MFM-hdd-controller, . . . the Hercules CGA - it cost me more than 200 US$ at that time.

OMG, that cracks me up. I bet a bunch of yunguns' here don't even know what an MFM controller card is.* I had that, and the same graphics card ( and a Paradise, which was about $150), and I paid $300 for that controller card. I think we had about $4000 into that first 8088, counting the purchase price, and you waited 6 months for it to show up!!



* in my case, it boosted the hdd capacity from measley 10 mb, to a whopping, "I'll never use all that disc space" 20 mb!!!

 

[Assimilator1]

lol ,yea what is an MFM controller?

Originally posted by: MadMurph

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

MM
Whilst I could fit a 120mm fan to the front (by cutting out metal from the bottom edge right upto the FDD!:Q) there's no room to fit a 120mm fan to the rear at all.I've already opened up the rear hole to take 92mm.I think it's gonna have to go!

(OT: you're the only other one I've seen, besides yours truly, that uses the word "whilst" -- I love that word.)

Heheh ,never occured to me ,but yea I guess it's rarley used....

Btw I just thought ,I suppose I could cut a 120mm hole in the top rear of the side panel.......that's if I had a jigsaw & I could be bothered!

Petrus
LMAO! OMG some of that stuff belongs in a museem!:Q
Btw PIIIs you should still be able to sell for a bit.

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Btw I just thought ,I suppose I could cut a 120mm hole in the top rear of the side panel.......that's if I had a jigsaw & I could be bothered!

Petrus
LMAO! OMG some of that stuff belongs in a museem!:Q
Btw PIIIs you should still be able to sell for a bit.

see my ^^post re: MFM controller. You don't need a jigsaw; if you're cutting into a panel with no other holes, buy a cheapo hole saw ( 4 3/4", if not metric) and mount in a drill. I've cut half a dozen holes in steel before the thing pukes, then you just throw it away. A buck fifty, a hole. ($1.50 US).

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
lol ,yea what is an MFM controller?

In the "old" days, nothing was built-in to the motherboard. Everything, EVERYTHING, even com ports, were an add-in. You had a m/b with 8 slots, and every one of them was filled. The thing weighed 50 pounds, easy. It came stock with two, count them t-w-o 5.25" floppy drives (that's how you loaded the OS ) and no hdd. If you wanted a hdd, you added a controller card. A 10 mb hdd was about $350 to $400, so to double the capacity, you got an MFM controller card, another $300.

We're pretty spoiled these days.

 

[petrusbroder]

Naaaaah, the museum didn't want it. They wanted an original IBM XT or a Compaq.
I built my own computer in 1985 and it was a lot of fun: DOS 2.1 ran like a lightning on 512 KByte RAM (and later to the full 640 KByte - I needed an extra memory card with quite a few 64Kb-chips and I had to populate the card myself - i.e. put the memory chips into their sockets!!). The most expensive part was the math-coprocessor - for the floating point operations. I used the computer for Monte Carlo simulations and for curve fitting, and I wrote some of the routines myself - in TurboPascal. I used a special compiler to get the job done ... and an executable file which was fast ... Sometimes I had to wait for 3 minutes for the computer to finish - today it would be done in less than 4 seconds.

 

[petrusbroder]

Originally posted by: MadMurph

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
lol ,yea what is an MFM controller?

In the "old" days, nothing was built-in to the motherboard. Everything, EVERYTHING, even com ports, were an add-in. You had a m/b with 8 slots, and every one of them was filled. The thing weighed 50 pounds, easy. It came stock with two, count them t-w-o 5.25" floppy drives (that's how you loaded the OS ) and no hdd. If you wanted a hdd, you added a controller card. A 10 mb hdd was about $350 to $400, so to double the capacity, you got an MFM controller card, another $300.

We're pretty spoiled these days.

Yeah, we are. But it was fun - and frustrating sometimes. Compatibility was the most important word: we had compatibility tables, books - one card would only work with certain computers, etc., etc.. Plug-and-Play was definitively not even thought of. Hanging out in the computer store and listening to the service guys, talking to other customers was one fast way to solving problems. At that time there were no "FAQ" or "How-to" for the PC-world. And the Apple Macintosh people just laughed at the DOS-people ...

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: petrusbroder

Yeah, we are. But it was fun - and frustrating sometimes. Compatibility was the most important word: we had compatibility tables, books - one card would only work with certain computers, etc., etc.. Plug-and-Play was definitively not even thought of. Hanging out in the computer store and listening to the service guys, talking to other customers was one fast way to solving problems. At that time there were no "FAQ" or "How-to" for the PC-world. And the Apple Macintosh people just laughed at the DOS-people ...

:laugh: Let's not forget setting all those jumpers, too. And the memory sticks actually had pins for an interconnect, hence the name that has stuck, even tho there aren't any, anymore -- pins, that is.

 

[petrusbroder]

Oh, yeah, all the freaking jumpers! I had a I/O-card (2 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, 1 game port) which had 24 jumpers. And they all had to be right - otherwise the f...ing card would not work.
Whilst thinking of jumpers, --- remembers interrupts? and the conflicts between them?
Never more than one device for each interrupt.
That was a mess when you had e.g. 1 HDD, 2 floppies (5 1/4 inch, 2½ inch), 2 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, 1 game port, 1 CD-rom reader, 1 Hercules CGA, 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 1 drum scanner with it's own interface card (you wrapped the sheet of paper around a drum which was scanned one line at a time ...):
All these had to compete for the limited number of interrupts (16 I think...), and the mobo itself used some 6 or 8 of them ...

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

My first hard drive was a 20mb hard card. A MFM controller would have been an upgrade. I hated configuring the COM port & IRQ on a modem. Damn that used to be such a pain in the ass. The best upgrades I remember: TSENG EVGA video card & 9600 baud modem (from CGA and 2400 bps). BBSs were never the same again. And Z-modem transfers were just wonderful.

Alright. I added:
P4 3.0GHz / 1gb RAM
P4 3.0GHz / 1gb RAM
P4 2.8GHz / 512mb RAM
P4 2.4GHz / 512mb RAM
P4 1.7GHz / 512mb RAM
P4 2.8GHz / 512mb RAM
P4 1.7GHz / 512mb RAM
FAHMON & Hamachi are wonderful. Remote monitoring of all the remote machines.

 

[petrusbroder]

Yeah, those were times ... and you must have been quite young at that time ...

BTW: please see my answer to your question (BigWUs) in the other thread! I have edited the post when reading about your comps!

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: petrusbroder
Yeah, those were times ... and you must have been quite young at that time ...

BTW: please see my answer to your question (BigWUs) in the other thread! I have edited the post when reading about your comps!

As soon as Jarvis moves, I'll reconfigure the machines. Thanks

 

[GenHoth]

I'm off to Milwaukee! See everyone in a couple days!

 

[Insidious]

Have a safe (and fun) trip!

We'll keep a light on.

:light:

 

[biodoc]

Originally posted by: lizardth
Hey guys quick question! I just upgraded to a dual core and F@H is only using one core, what do I need to do to make it use the other too? BTW I'm running the GUI version but I don't particularly care if I have to switch to the console version... TY in advance!

I would uninstall the GUI first just to avoid any complications.

A good guide to install and run a single CLI client is here.
Instructions/considerations for setting up a second CLI client is here.

If you run 2 clients, make sure they are in different directories and you always start them with the -local switch.

If you have a fast Processor, you may want to consider setting up the SMP client. Instructions for installation in Vista are here.

The Windows SMP client is more difficult to install and requires a significant amount of babysittling to keep it running.

Cheers!!

 

[Assimilator1]

Once I got past my overclocking problems I found the SMP client was easy to install & has been a set & forget program

FMC
Quite a fleet you've added thier!
I use hamachi too ,damn good little program ,I use it for playing private games of Starcraft & a little file sharing too

Petrus
IRQs were still an issue with Win 9x ,so that part I remember

From 1982-86 I was using my dads BBC B micro ,Elite was my favourite game on that ,I've still got the machine too!

 

[scottv67]

petrusbroder wrote:

Oh, yeah, all the freaking jumpers! I had a I/O-card (2 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, 1 game port) which had 24 jumpers. And they all had to be right - otherwise the f...ing card would not work.
Whilst thinking of jumpers, --- remembers interrupts? and the conflicts between them?
Never more than one device for each interrupt.
That was a mess when you had e.g. 1 HDD, 2 floppies (5 1/4 inch, 2½ inch), 2 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, 1 game port, 1 CD-rom reader, 1 Hercules CGA, 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 1 drum scanner with it's own interface card (you wrapped the sheet of paper around a drum which was scanned one line at a time ...):
All these had to compete for the limited number of interrupts (16 I think...), and the mobo itself used some 6 or 8 of them ...

I remember that "back in the day", COM ports could share IRQ 4 and IRQ 3. The standard config for COM 1 through 4 was:

Com1 Addr: 3F8 IRQ: 4
Com2 Addr: 2F8 IRQ: 3
Com3 Addr: 3E8 IRQ: 4
Com4 Addr: 2E8 IRQ: 3

Yes, I regurgitated that from memory.

But as petrusbroder mentioned above, you couldn't have two devices active on the same IRQ so you would not be able to have COM1 and COM3 active at the same time. I spent a lot of time configuring the jumpers on serial cards so PCs could connect to Digital terminal servers (DECservers) to access VAX systems. That should date me just like cutting open a tree and counting the rings. Ha ha ha!

I was on the phone with a vendor's tech support guy this week and he was watching my desktop via a Webex session. He said "We need to get that authorized_keys file from one system to the other." We were working on Linux-based systems so I used ftp to move that file from system1 to an ftp server and then from the ftp server to system2. The tech support guy said "You are the first person who knows how to use command line ftp that I've seen in a long time!" I guess using "old school" ftp from the CLI is a lost art now.

I used to be able to tell how many COM ports a PC had by using the DOS 'debug' command but that sector was overwritten with more current (and useful) information.

-s :beer:

 

[Markfw]

And no discussion about MFM vs RLL controllers, and low level formatting. Most of the details have gone out of my memory, but there diffferent ways to do that too ! Interleave or something.. I do remember something about jumpers for how many cylinders and heads...

(old fart memory is going...)

 

[Insidious]

I remember trying to figure out if there was any significant difference in a stepping B or a stepping G0 Core2quad.....

Oh wait, that was last night!

:beer:

-Sid

(stepping B is hotter and harder to OC. )

 

[petrusbroder]

LoL!

Yeah, scottv67, I remember those settings too. Especially when I got a SCSI-card in that system too ...
Command line programs are very nice. I enjoy doing things instead of looking at them ... and the terminal is always open on my Linux-boxes.
Well, OTOH: the general computer literacy is much better now than before - and the problems now are quite different then 23 years ago.
Just consider: the folding of proteins was not possible at that time - it would have taken weeks - months. No PC could work for 7 days without rebooting at least once.
When Windows came (I have v. 2.0 in my cupboard) the we had to reboot the comps every 4 - 5 hours ...