CaptnKirk

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Progress

<Ft.Worth Star>

The first type of a build using new technology is paying off early . . .
I have never seen sections and components meet and match this accurately for a first time build - ever.
Parts from 'Anywere - USA' meeting parts from 'Anywhere - Euro' are meeting and matching within thousanths of an inch !
Many parts that have never been made this way before are proving the concept's workability.

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With the push of a button, hydraulic jacks gently lowered a wing onto a fuselage Monday, and the first test version of the F-35 joint strike fighter began to resemble an airplane.

Senior Lockheed Martin executives and Defense Department representatives called the well-rehearsed mating of the wing and fuselage assemblies a major milestone in development of the next-generation warplane.

"Our future begins right here, right now," said Ralph Heath, president of Fort Worth-based Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., speaking to workers gathered at the west Fort Worth aircraft assembly plant.

Production of the F-35 is expected to keep assembly lines at the Fort Worth plant operating for the next 20 or 30 years. The jet replaces the F-16 fighter that the plant's workers have built for the U.S. Air Force and foreign military services for 30 years.

Lockheed is the prime contractor on the F-35 program, teamed with Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems.

Although the F-35 development program is about a year behind its original schedule and, by some estimates, $11 billion over budget, officials said they are learning as they go and are confident they will meet future timetables and cost goals.

The near-perfect fit of the major components built so far is an example "of the technology we have and the people we have designing the product," Heath said.

As pieces from various manufacturers are joined, officials said, they almost invariably align perfectly or within tolerances that are finer than a strand of human hair.

In early March, the Government Accountability Office issued a report that cast doubt on the ability of Lockheed and other contractors to meet key performance requirements as well as the revised timeline and budget goals.

Official Pentagon estimates are that development and production of the F-35 will cost at least $245 billion, $11 billion more than when the contract was awarded in 2001.

A recent internal Pentagon study also reportedly said further delays and cost increases were highly likely.

But officials said Monday that modern computer-aided design and computer-controlled machining tools have enabled the contractors to produce and assemble components that are far more precisely manufactured than those in any previous military airplane and that they require less time to assemble.

"As we look at how these pieces are coming together, how they're being assembled, it gives us great confidence," said Air Force Brig. Gen. Charles Davis, the Pentagon's deputy program manager.

The first test airplane, scheduled to fly in August 2006, is still missing some major pieces.

Northrop Grumman, which builds the midfuselage section in Palmdale, Calif., shipped its first assembly to Lockheed in April. Workers joined that piece with the nose section, produced by Lockheed in Fort Worth, two weeks ago.

Lockheed built the internal wing structure and later added the wing skins, produced from carbon fiber composites.

The last major structural components of the first aircraft, the rear fuselage and vertical tails, will be shipped from BAE Systems factories in England to Texas in the next few weeks. Engines and electronic components will be installed later.

The first airplane is actually one of a kind. Engineers and designers went back to their computer design terminals after discovering serious weight problems midway through the design and development phase.

Although the plane's outward appearance won't change, a major re-design of many components is still under way. The design changes, once approved, will be incorporated into 21 other test aircraft and future production airplanes.

Three versions of the F-35 are slated to be produced, with about 75 percent of their parts in common.




 

Moonbeam

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Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

EagleKeeper

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They still will have to work out the flight control systems.

They blamed the crash of the F22 at Nellis on the S/W.

Sims are way different than the first units off the line.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
They still will have to work out the flight control systems.

They blamed the crash of the F22 at Nellis on the S/W.

Sims are way different than the first units off the line.

Damn, I didn't know a F-22 crashed because of a computer crash.

 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

Some people feel like that, i just like it because of the technology. Bigger, better, faster. I'm a tech geek.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

Jane - that you ?

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

Some people feel like that, i just like it because of the technology. Bigger, better, faster. I'm a tech geek.

Why why why? Remember, the unexamined life is not woth living, right?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.
Ahhhhh, feeling the wind thru your pubes! Nothin' like it . . .
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

Some people feel like that, i just like it because of the technology. Bigger, better, faster. I'm a tech geek.

Why why why? Remember, the unexamined life is not woth living, right?


Eh? Why not? I don't search for meaning in everything I do, I just do it if I feel like it. And I enjoy it. I don't feel any safer with the advent of this plane... nor do I care about "our" technological progress. Don't really care at all. Hell, why am I posting here? Uh... who cares?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
They still will have to work out the flight control systems.

They blamed the crash of the F22 at Nellis on the S/W.

Sims are way different than the first units off the line.

Damn, I didn't know a F-22 crashed because of a computer crash.

That was the offical results of the investigation.

No structural manfunction was determined and no pilot error.

 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

I, on the other hand, will observe the F-35 and quite the opposite will happen. It will help me tremendously is tapping into the memories of joy I felt as a child. The killing this aircraft may do will secure this country and our interests, which will help bolster the FACT that we're safer. How much we produce will determine on many factors, but SOME people's psychosis from childhood trauma will not be one of them. I'm pretty excited about this new jet, but I realize that some people will be unable to grasp the feeling because of their complete lack of esteem.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

I, on the other hand, will observe the F-35 and quite the opposite will happen. It will help me tremendously is tapping into the memories of joy I felt as a child. The killing this aircraft may do will secure this country and our interests, which will help bolster the FACT that we're safer. How much we produce will determine on many factors, but SOME people's psychosis from childhood trauma will not be one of them. I'm pretty excited about this new jet, but I realize that some people will be unable to grasp the feeling because of their complete lack of esteem.

Oh oh. Here we go again with the battling perceptions of reality. ;)
 

ntdz

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How did the building a new fighter jet turn into a philosophical discussion???? :confused:
 

LordMorpheus

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

Actually, the JSF is not a particularly able fighter. The F-15, F-22, and maybe even the F-16 can all outfly it and probably carry larger payloads.

They built the JSF for precisely the same sentiments you so (in)eloquently shared. The cold war is over. We don't need to be building these space-age invisible giant fighters. The JSF is relatively small, designed to be cheap to build, and designed to be very versatile. This allows the airforce to (eventually) have one major front line plane, making maintainence and repairs cheaper than they've ever been. Also, with so many units produced, the cost/plane for the project will shrink to record lows for a modern fighter.

So keep your flying penis talk to yourself. The cold war is over, and the JSF reflects that.
 

CaptnKirk

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Before you go off saying how little this plane can do, see any simularity between these vehicles ?

F-22 Raptor



F-35 Bluebird of Happiness


Same engine - One Vs Two, but smaller plane (known to include thrust vectoring - both planes)

Length: JSF = 45' . . . F-22 = 62' . . . . that's 17 big feet longer, who's more manuverable ?
Span: JSF = 36' . . . . F-22 = 44.5' . . . 7.5 ' difference is only 43 inches each side
Load: JSF = 13K . . . . F-22 easily exceeds 20K . . . Bombs away !

What may be the diggest dissapointment is that it does so much that it's always expected to do better in the eyes of the general public.

It replaces more than 8 other flight vehicles from multiple countries - straight up.
Hoovers like a helicopter, lands on a boat.

What more should it do ?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Before you go off saying how little this plane can do, see any simularity between these vehicles ?

F-22 Raptor



F-35 Bluebird of Happiness


Same engine - One Vs Two, but smaller plane (known to include thrust vectoring - both planes)

Length: JSF = 45' . . . F-22 = 62' . . . . that's 17 big feet longer, who's more manuverable ?
Span: JSF = 36' . . . . F-22 = 44.5' . . . 7.5 ' difference is only 43 inches each side
Load: JSF = 13K . . . . F-22 easily exceeds 20K . . . Bombs away !

What may be the diggest dissapointment is that it does so much that it's always expected to do better in the eyes of the general public.

It replaces more than 8 other flight vehicles from multiple countries - straight up.
Hoovers like a helicopter, lands on a boat.

What more should it do ?


Well there is discussion about mounting a 100kw laser to the driveshaft on the VTOL version....
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

I, on the other hand, will observe the F-35 and quite the opposite will happen. It will help me tremendously is tapping into the memories of joy I felt as a child. The killing this aircraft may do will secure this country and our interests, which will help bolster the FACT that we're safer. How much we produce will determine on many factors, but SOME people's psychosis from childhood trauma will not be one of them. I'm pretty excited about this new jet, but I realize that some people will be unable to grasp the feeling because of their complete lack of esteem.

Oh oh. Here we go again with the battling perceptions of reality. ;)

Pardon me, but I can assure you it's a battle between reality and cwjerome's wet dream. You'd have to walk over to Caddy's house to find a more delusional fisker. :)

 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Great, this will help me tremendously in repressing the memories of terror I felt as a child. The killing this thing will do will help to bolster the illusion that I'm safe, temporarily, but we gotta have more and more of such weapons because my psychosis is so bad that the nightmares keep threatening to get through. But at least for the moment I'm really excited. Oh man, it's like flying my dick through the air.

I, on the other hand, will observe the F-35 and quite the opposite will happen. It will help me tremendously is tapping into the memories of joy I felt as a child. The killing this aircraft may do will secure this country and our interests, which will help bolster the FACT that we're safer. How much we produce will determine on many factors, but SOME people's psychosis from childhood trauma will not be one of them. I'm pretty excited about this new jet, but I realize that some people will be unable to grasp the feeling because of their complete lack of esteem.

Oh oh. Here we go again with the battling perceptions of reality. ;)

Pardon me, but I can assure you it's a battle between reality and cwjerome's wet dream. You'd have to walk over to Caddy's house to find a more delusional fisker. :)


Absolutely. You have to remember that Moonbeam has reached deep within himself and "killed himself" which turned him into a WoW-playing Jesus who spreads his Zen-like wisdoms on P&N.

Of course right/wrong and good/bad exist... we all just have to achieve our own psychological breakthroughs and then we'll all know truth and be little Moonbeam clones ;)
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Absolutely. You have to remember that Moonbeam has reached deep within himself and "killed himself" which turned him into a WoW-playing Jesus who spreads his Zen-like wisdoms on P&N.

Of course right/wrong and good/bad exist... we all just have to achieve our own psychological breakthroughs and then we'll all know truth and be little Moonbeam clones ;)

Moonbeam plays WoW?
 

Velk

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Progress

As pieces from various manufacturers are joined, officials said, they almost invariably align perfectly or within tolerances that are finer than a strand of human hair.

That looks kind of impressive at first read, but then I thought that a human hair is actually awfully large compared to the kind of tolerances that home computers need. For example if the pins on your cpu were too large by a hair there's no way you would get it into the socket.

Come to think of it - screws that cost 1c each are expected to have a smaller tolerance than a human hair.