F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.... $300 billion down the drain

[rudder]

Terabytes of data downloaded by unknown hackers.

So basically although this is a very maneuverable fighter... all electronic systems are worthless because now adversaries know how to defend against it.

Another reason why I am against H1B visas. I am sure somehwere in the design chain with all the defense contractors there could be the possibility of a breach. If it were me running the show and for that much money, I would have a completely physically isolated network anyway.

 

[heyheybooboo]

... while the spies were able to download sizable amounts of data related to the jet-fighter, they weren't able to access the most sensitive material, which is stored on computers not connected to the Internet ...

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

... while the spies were able to download sizable amounts of data related to the jet-fighter, they weren't able to access the most sensitive material, which is stored on computers not connected to the Internet ...

this

Did you just use this article to rant against H1Bs?

 

[Cattlegod]

people should lose their job for allowing crap like this to happen. this shit pisses me off. there is no excuse for stupidity in designing security systems.

 

[yllus]

I don't know how H1Bs play into this. I also don't get why the F-35 is now useless. It's not like this is going to allow foreign powers to "hack" the planes in flight and cause them to crash a la the beginnings of Battlestar Galactica.

 

[KB]

its not like there is a shutdown code for the jet in the downloaded data. You still need to see it on radar, fire a missile at it and hit it before it does that to you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Apparently the breech was originated somewhere in China, where I'm sure people are paid to do exactly this.

 

[IronWing]

$300 billion!?!?! Holy crap, we coulda bought a failing insurance company with that kind on money!

 

[fleshconsumed]

Afaik H1Bs are not allowed to work on defense projects. You either have to be natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen or Green Card holder.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know how H1Bs play into this. I also don't get why the F-35 is now useless. It's not like this is going to allow foreign powers to "hack" the planes in flight and cause them to crash a la the beginnings of Battlestar Galactica.

Not hacking... but if you know what type of electronic counter measures the F-35 will employ its not too hard to come up with something to get around those.

Or if you have detailed information on the composites that went into making it and detailed working of the exterior shape, you can find tune radars to see the aircraft sooner than normally would be the case.

 

[b0mbrman]

This is why you're against H1B visas?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Afaik H1Bs are not allowed to work on defense projects. You either have to be natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen or Green Card holder.

maybe a bad example regarding the H1B visa... which I am against in many cases because of the abuse of the system, but not specifically because of espionage.

But even if you have to be a citizen to work on specific projects can we be assured that every piece of networking equipment had its code scrutinized? Not saying an american citizen could not be a part of this (Jonothan Pollard and Wen Ho Lee for example) but I guess we will never know.

The point of the thread should focus on the fact that foreign powers are able to download terabytes of data from DoD networks.. this is in itself scary.

 

[jpeyton]

Hack the planet!

 

[halik]

Even before reading the article, my money is on China.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Afaik H1Bs are not allowed to work on defense projects. You either have to be natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen or Green Card holder.

Need to be US citizen to get clearance.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Afaik H1Bs are not allowed to work on defense projects. You either have to be natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen or Green Card holder.

This. Major fail OP.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know how H1Bs play into this. I also don't get why the F-35 is now useless. It's not like this is going to allow foreign powers to "hack" the planes in flight and cause them to crash a la the beginnings of Battlestar Galactica.

Not hacking... but if you know what type of electronic counter measures the F-35 will employ its not too hard to come up with something to get around those.

Or if you have detailed information on the composites that went into making it and detailed working of the exterior shape, you can find tune radars to see the aircraft sooner than normally would be the case.

LOL

Nice try. I'll give you credit for originality.

The radar signature is roughly that of a golf ball and what isn't absorbed is deflected, primarily away from the radar installation.

End result: By the time you know it's there, you're dead.

 

[Carmen813]

I wonder if this will affect the F-22 at all since the two planes share a lot of technology.

 

[SneakyStuff]

The Obama administration is likely to soon propose creating a senior White House computer-security post to coordinate policy and a new military command that would take the lead in protecting key computer networks from intrusions, according to senior officials.

:thumbsup:

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: rudder
Terabytes of data downloaded by unknown hackers.

So basically although this is a very maneuverable fighter... all electronic systems are worthless because now adversaries know how to defend against it.

Another reason why I am against H1B visas. I am sure somehwere in the design chain with all the defense contractors there could be the possibility of a breach. If it were me running the show and for that much money, I would have a completely physically isolated network anyway.

I'm an American, and you're retarded. No defense contractor hires H1B visas. American Citizens only.

To sum up, you fail.

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

... while the spies were able to download sizable amounts of data related to the jet-fighter, they weren't able to access the most sensitive material, which is stored on computers not connected to the Internet ...

this

Did you just use this article to rant against H1Bs?

That seems to be the case, yes. He probably got beat out of a job by "one of them durn foreigners!".

When I make fun of you for being a hick, you really have it bad. I'm from Texas (proud of it too) and I say y'all a lot. I am a bigot, I try not to be but I grew up middle class and I just haven't had that much experience with other races.

But you take the cake.

Oh yeah, and I have worked with people who are designing the JSF. They can't even take a damn thumb drive into work to update drivers without a 2 week approval process.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: rudder
But even if you have to be a citizen to work on specific projects can we be assured that every piece of networking equipment had its code scrutinized? Not saying an american citizen could not be a part of this (Jonothan Pollard and Wen Ho Lee for example) but I guess we will never know.

There is actually a Department of Defense certification process for networking equipment for use in critical infrastructure (including, obviously, warfighting infrastructure). You can generally be assured that all networking equipment in use in a theatre of war has in fact been checked for malicious code.

 

[ericlp]

Oh I thought we were outsourcing them for China to build!

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rudder
Terabytes of data downloaded by unknown hackers.

So basically although this is a very maneuverable fighter... all electronic systems are worthless because now adversaries know how to defend against it.

Another reason why I am against H1B visas. I am sure somehwere in the design chain with all the defense contractors there could be the possibility of a breach. If it were me running the show and for that much money, I would have a completely physically isolated network anyway.

Uh, an H1B would never be utilized in the "design chain" for a military fighter.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: rudder
But even if you have to be a citizen to work on specific projects can we be assured that every piece of networking equipment had its code scrutinized? Not saying an american citizen could not be a part of this (Jonothan Pollard and Wen Ho Lee for example) but I guess we will never know.

There is actually a Department of Defense certification process for networking equipment for use in critical infrastructure (including, obviously, warfighting infrastructure). You can generally be assured that all networking equipment in use in a theatre of war has in fact been checked for malicious code.

Thank you. That is what I was curious about. Still curious though as how TB's worth of data can move out of a network without being detected unless the hackers did it over months.

Here at work I dl'ed a linux ISO and got flagged because our web filter showed I had 800mb of port 80 traffic in one day.

 

[brandonbull]

I thought it was nonclassified data.