Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.

[GoPackGo]

The truth is we have no idea what are long term climate cycle is.

The solar system, galaxy, universe all have effects on our planet.

Even if we had accurate records for a 1000 years, what happens if its a 10000 year weather pattern?

Or lets say every 100000 years or so something huge like an asteroid hitting happens and throws the whole thing out of whack?

 

[NJDevil]

Ntdz, do you honestly believe that it being colder now means that human activity is not changing our climate/environment?

It's not as simple as "global warming makes everyday hot." Look at temperature variations over the past 100 years, and you'll notice a pattern of increasing temperatures. Sometimes, temps fall below average, and other times, they go above. The point is that an isolated incident isn't enough to say, "see, it isn't happening now!"

Plus "global warming" is misleading, as the effects of the planet generally warming can cause cooling in some areas.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

 

[tweakmm]

Cleaned Up
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I'll go ahead and save the mods an edit 😀


But seriously ndtz, you must know that your statement is horribly simplistic way of looking at the global climate change issue.
I mean, yeah, there are record lows today, but damn man, there were record highs yesterday.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My article cancels out yours.

I won't sell it as an argume for global warming, because it would be a lame argument. I however am honest enough to not sell it as such.

Yeah, it's fun to troll here, and I really don't care if you do because that's what is done here. I just thought I would call you on it. You know better, or ought to.

 

[feralkid]

So, in summary:

It got cold somewhere. Cold is not warm. Q.E.D: Global warming does not exist.




D-


:thumbsdown:

 

[dmcanally]

I don?t understand how so many people can predict the future. Do you people honestly think that we will be driving gas powered cars in 20, 30, 100 years from now? Do all of you realize that 100 years ago they were trying to figure out what we would do with all of the horse sh|t? Give me a break, none of you can tell the future and things won?t continue on as they are. I guarantee. So much has happened so quick in the past 100 years and there is no way its going to be slowing down all of a sudden.

On another note, the earth was once frozen solid; the earth has also been so hot nothing resembling life could possibly survive. As far as the planet is concerned there is nothing that human kind can do to ?destroy the planet?. Most likely we humans will destroy ourselves as we feud over such ridiculous topics, such as abortion or the usage of different energy sources and their effects. In short the planet will be here log after we are gone and probably restart life from scratch.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ntdz
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/06/D8EB4SP06.html

In Chicago, temperatures Monday dipped to a low of 4 degrees, beating the old record of 6 degrees set in 1895, according to the National Weather Service.

In this time of supposed global warming, we are setting records for low temps...

The mercury dropped below zero before sunset in Casper, Wyo., and Gunnison, Colo., was bracing for another frigid night after a low of 24 below zero overnight Monday. Forecasts called for a low of minus 25 in the Colorado ski resort town of Steamboat Springs.

Pretty cold...

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To all that venture here; keep this thread on topic

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in the middle of november temps hit 70f. ussually its in the 10 and 20's, the old record temp was smashed by 7 or 8 degrees.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Ntdz, do you honestly believe that it being colder now means that human activity is not changing our climate/environment?

It's not as simple as "global warming makes everyday hot." Look at temperature variations over the past 100 years, and you'll notice a pattern of increasing temperatures. Sometimes, temps fall below average, and other times, they go above. The point is that an isolated incident isn't enough to say, "see, it isn't happening now!"

Plus "global warming" is misleading, as the effects of the planet generally warming can cause cooling in some areas.

No, I don't believe that it being colder now means that human activity is not changing our climate/environment at all.

As far as global warming...I think human activity has a much smaller impact on it as some people think...But still has an impact that *could* be negative in the distant future (75-100 years), but we just do not know...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs
Global warming is accepted by almost ALL reputable scientists. The only ones claiming it isn't true are the corporate sponsored scientists who are baid to,in effect, deny the truth. Taking a step from the neo-cons, corporations who might be affected by global warming have a huge campaingn going on to try and discredit it.
In fact the people who are claiming there is no global warming are the same misguided fools who believed the tobacco companies when they claimed cigarrettes were safe.
Poor misguided morons.

Link

Listed below are 19,200 of the initial signers During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.

Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate.

Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.

Nearly all of the initial 17,100 scientist signers have technical training suitable for the evaluation of the relevant research data, and many are trained in related fields. In addition to these 17,100, approximately 2,400 individuals have signed the petition who are trained in fields other than science or whose field of specialization was not specified on their returned petition.

Of the 19,700 signatures that the project has received in total so far, 17,800 have been independently verified and the other 1,900 have not yet been independently verified. Of those signers holding the degree of PhD, 95% have now been independently verified. One name that was sent in by enviro pranksters, Geri Halliwell, PhD, has been eliminated. Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist.

The costs of this petition project have been paid entirely by private donations. No industrial funding or money from sources within the coal, oil, natural gas or related industries has been utilized. The petition's organizers, who include some faculty members and staff of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, do not otherwise receive funds from such sources. The Institute itself has no such funding. Also, no funds of tax-exempt organizations have been used for this project.

The signatures and the text of the petition stand alone and speak for themselves. These scientists have signed this specific document. They are not associated with any particular organization. Their signatures represent a strong statement about this important issue by many of the best scientific minds in the United States.

This project is titled "Petition Project" and uses a mailing address of its own because the organizers desired an independent, individual opinion from each scientist based on the scientific issues involved - without any implied endorsements of individuals, groups, or institutions.

The remainder of the initial signers and all new signers will be added to these lists as data entry is completed.

This idea that the scientific community is nearly unanimously in agreement on this issue is patently false.

no i think they disagree on human involvement not the fact that the climate is changing

 

[tokamak]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Link

This idea that the scientific community is nearly unanimously in agreement on this issue is patently false.

This idea the the serious scientific community is nearly unanimously in agreement on this issue is patently true.

Frederick Seitz, who wrote the cover letter of that petition, was indeed president of the National Academy of Sciences, from 1962 to 1969. The academy quickly disassociated itself from both Dr. Seitz, and the petition after it was circulated. Text It is clear that Dr. Seitz has a conservative political agenda: he is currently on the Board of Directors of the Geoge C. Marshall Institute Text.

The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is not a serious academic institution. Their website's introduction to the petition is preceeded with professional and scientific statements such as "This is the website that completely knocks the wind out of the enviro's sails" Text. Elsewhere, they offer a website on "Nuclear War Survival Skills" Text and a homeschool kit so that you may "Teach your children...[as] in the days before socialism in education" Text whatever that means.

However, if you want to click one link in this post, make it this one. It lays out the whole issue pretty well. Lots of juicy tidbits in that article, such as:
1) The author of the paper that accompanies the petition, Arthur Robinson (also the founder of OISM), was dismissed by his mentor, Linus Pauling (you might have heard of him), who called Robinson's research "amateurish".
2) The petition and Robinson's paper were bulk-mailed to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists, unsolicited. Per Robert Park, physicist at the University of Maryland: "Virtually every scientist in every field got it".
3) The paper was printed in the same format and typeface as Proceedings of the National Academy of Scientists, however....
4) The paper was never accepted by ANY scientific journal, and in fact never peer reviewed at all.
5) Coauthors on the paper included Zachary Robinson, Arthur's 22-year-old son, with no credentials to speak of, as well as Willie Soon, an aerospace engineer, and Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist.

I randomly Googled a few of the Ph.D.s listed in the petition. After about 20 names, I found one from a serious academic institution, a biologist at the University of Virginia. I also found an employee of ChevronTexaco. As for the rest, Google had no answers for me. I encourage you to try it yourself. It is my personal opinion that the overwhelming majority of the people on the list either do not exist, have no credentials at all, or have irrelevant credentials. If so many of the signers are serious academics, as the OISM contends, they why not post their institution, or at least a city, so that they can be cross-checked?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

How can you say something like that? Where have I ever said anything remotely close to saying I don't believe in science? I'd absolutely love for you to point this one out...

Prove for once you aren't putting words into everyone's mouth.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

How can you say something like that? Where have I ever said anything remotely close to saying I don't believe in science? I'd absolutely love for you to point this one out...

Prove for once you aren't putting words into everyone's mouth.

Call it what you want, I just call it the way I see it.

Your words speak for you as well as the rest that do not believe in Global Warming, you don't believe in that therefore you do not believe in science.

12-8-2005 Scientists: Greenland Glaciers Retreating

Two of Greenland's largest glaciers are retreating at an alarming pace, most likely because of climate warming, scientists said Wednesday.

One of the glaciers, Kangerdlugssuaq, is currently moving about 9 miles a year compared to 3 miles a year in 2001, said Gordon Hamilton of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute.

The other glacier, Helheim, is retreating at about 7 miles a year ? up from 4 miles a year during the same period.

"It's quite a staggering rate of increase," Hamilton said at the American Geophysical Union annual meeting.

Glaciers play a major role in discharging water into oceans. Sea levels have swelled globally an estimated 4 inches to 8 inches during the past century due to melting glaciers and polar ice ? enough to cause some places to be awash at high tide or during severe storms.

Melting of Greenland ice and calving of icebergs from glaciers is responsible for about 7 percent of the annual rise in global sea level.

Global warming is frequently blamed for retreating glaciers around the world.

The rapid retreat of Greenland glaciers suggest that climate change is a factor, Hamilton said.

 

[conjur]

I thought troll threads were a no-no now.


😕

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

How can you say something like that? Where have I ever said anything remotely close to saying I don't believe in science? I'd absolutely love for you to point this one out...

Prove for once you aren't putting words into everyone's mouth.

Call it what you want, I just call it the way I see it.

Your words speak for you as well as the rest that do not believe in Global Warming, you don't believe in that therefore you do not believe in science.

12-8-2005 Scientists: Greenland Glaciers Retreating

Two of Greenland's largest glaciers are retreating at an alarming pace, most likely because of climate warming, scientists said Wednesday.

One of the glaciers, Kangerdlugssuaq, is currently moving about 9 miles a year compared to 3 miles a year in 2001, said Gordon Hamilton of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute.

The other glacier, Helheim, is retreating at about 7 miles a year ? up from 4 miles a year during the same period.

"It's quite a staggering rate of increase," Hamilton said at the American Geophysical Union annual meeting.

Glaciers play a major role in discharging water into oceans. Sea levels have swelled globally an estimated 4 inches to 8 inches during the past century due to melting glaciers and polar ice ? enough to cause some places to be awash at high tide or during severe storms.

Melting of Greenland ice and calving of icebergs from glaciers is responsible for about 7 percent of the annual rise in global sea level.

Global warming is frequently blamed for retreating glaciers around the world.

The rapid retreat of Greenland glaciers suggest that climate change is a factor, Hamilton said.

I think one THEORY is overblown and you extrapolate that out to me not believing in science? Keep in mind there is no proof that CO2 is causing the warming we are seeing...It may be causing it, it may not, nobody KNOWS for sure. People think they know, but they really don't. As you always say, corrolation does not equal causation.

 

[dannybin1742]

In this time of supposed global warming, we are setting records for low temps...

your ignorance is amazing, open a high school level biology book and start reading

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

How can you say something like that? Where have I ever said anything remotely close to saying I don't believe in science? I'd absolutely love for you to point this one out...

Prove for once you aren't putting words into everyone's mouth.

Call it what you want, I just call it the way I see it.

Your words speak for you as well as the rest that do not believe in Global Warming, you don't believe in that therefore you do not believe in science.

12-8-2005 Scientists: Greenland Glaciers Retreating

Two of Greenland's largest glaciers are retreating at an alarming pace, most likely because of climate warming, scientists said Wednesday.

One of the glaciers, Kangerdlugssuaq, is currently moving about 9 miles a year compared to 3 miles a year in 2001, said Gordon Hamilton of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute.

The other glacier, Helheim, is retreating at about 7 miles a year ? up from 4 miles a year during the same period.

"It's quite a staggering rate of increase," Hamilton said at the American Geophysical Union annual meeting.

Glaciers play a major role in discharging water into oceans. Sea levels have swelled globally an estimated 4 inches to 8 inches during the past century due to melting glaciers and polar ice ? enough to cause some places to be awash at high tide or during severe storms.

Melting of Greenland ice and calving of icebergs from glaciers is responsible for about 7 percent of the annual rise in global sea level.

Global warming is frequently blamed for retreating glaciers around the world.

The rapid retreat of Greenland glaciers suggest that climate change is a factor, Hamilton said.

I think one THEORY is overblown and you extrapolate that out to me not believing in science? Keep in mind there is no proof that CO2 is causing the warming we are seeing...It may be causing it, it may not, nobody KNOWS for sure. People think they know, but they really don't. As you always say, corrolation does not equal causation.

The people that "think they know" are Scientists, you state you "think" they are "overblown" therefore you do not believe the Scientist's and therefore you do not believe in Science.

Since you don't believe the Scientists you must therefore believe in some higher power so you believe it is faith.

Just admit it and come clean. You might feel better instead of being so defensive. :laugh:

 

[TheSlamma]

Global warming is a poor term, it's global extremes.

Hotter summers, colder winters.

Colorado is proof of that too, this summer here ws blazing hot, and here we are in the winter setting records there too.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Topic Title: Extremely Cold Temps across the midwest and mountain west.
Topic Summary: Global warming what? [/b]

You have to be kidding I hope.

If you have no idea that Global warming means tempature extremes you need to go back to school especially science class, oh wait, that's right, the U.S. eliminated Science and replaced with Faith in the classroom.

My bad, guess you better go to church and pray for the knowledge instead.

I never said global warming wasn't happening, I just thought you guys would get all defensive about it, and I was right. I know PLENTY about global warming...and I'm athiest so I don't go to church... PLEASE stop making that generalization about me.

Well you don't believe in science so therefore I put you in with the same group as the religious. You gotta have faith.

How can you say something like that? Where have I ever said anything remotely close to saying I don't believe in science? I'd absolutely love for you to point this one out...

Prove for once you aren't putting words into everyone's mouth.

Call it what you want, I just call it the way I see it.

Your words speak for you as well as the rest that do not believe in Global Warming, you don't believe in that therefore you do not believe in science.

12-8-2005 Scientists: Greenland Glaciers Retreating

Two of Greenland's largest glaciers are retreating at an alarming pace, most likely because of climate warming, scientists said Wednesday.

One of the glaciers, Kangerdlugssuaq, is currently moving about 9 miles a year compared to 3 miles a year in 2001, said Gordon Hamilton of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute.

The other glacier, Helheim, is retreating at about 7 miles a year ? up from 4 miles a year during the same period.

"It's quite a staggering rate of increase," Hamilton said at the American Geophysical Union annual meeting.

Glaciers play a major role in discharging water into oceans. Sea levels have swelled globally an estimated 4 inches to 8 inches during the past century due to melting glaciers and polar ice ? enough to cause some places to be awash at high tide or during severe storms.

Melting of Greenland ice and calving of icebergs from glaciers is responsible for about 7 percent of the annual rise in global sea level.

Global warming is frequently blamed for retreating glaciers around the world.

The rapid retreat of Greenland glaciers suggest that climate change is a factor, Hamilton said.

I think one THEORY is overblown and you extrapolate that out to me not believing in science? Keep in mind there is no proof that CO2 is causing the warming we are seeing...It may be causing it, it may not, nobody KNOWS for sure. People think they know, but they really don't. As you always say, corrolation does not equal causation.

The people that "think they know" are Scientists, you state you "think" they are "overblown" therefore you do not believe the Scientist's and therefore you do not believe in Science.

Since you don't believe the Scientists you must therefore believe in some higher power so you believe it is faith.

Just admit it and come clean. You might feel better instead of being so defensive. :laugh:

Wow, just wow. I swear you and conjur are the same person.

 

[Sysbuilder05]

Uhhh,we hit -2 here in Kansas. Guess what? Thats the first time its been below zero in almost TEN YEARS.

And you question global warming?!?!?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Just some more food for thought...

Magnetic pole is shifting

Previous studies have shown that the strength of the Earth's magnetic shield has decreased 10 percent over the past 150 years. During the same period, the north magnetic pole wandered about 685 miles out into the Arctic, according to a new analysis by Stoner.

Down 10% in 150 years eh? When did industrialization/global warming start again? Wasn't it about 150 years ago? How about the Little Ice Age? I think that was about 150 years ago too IIRC.

It's an interesting coincidence if nothing else.

 

[irwincur]

Global warming is accepted by almost ALL reputable scientists.

Please prove this. Last I checked most climatologists are actually either on the fence (due to lack of historical data) or not in acceptance. To accept the data as it stands today would be poor science, there is just not enough history. Any scientist worth his/her weight would never put all of their eggs in such an unproven basket.

Now, people would like you to think that the scientific community is behind it - because Global Warming is big business. As a matter of fact at the current Global Warming UN meeting there are only a few scientists attending - and none presenting... Should tell you something about where they stand.

If you don't believe me - read this.

"MONTREAL -- As one of the very few scientists at the UN's eleventh Conference of the Parties climate meeting (COP-11), I feel like an outsider. That's because I am. The army of thousands in attendance (international delegates, NGOs, and all manner of stakeholders in the climate change issue), have little interest in knowing how certain or uncertain the science of global warming is. All these people know - or need to know - is that the "glaciers are melting," it's getting "hotter every year", and "climate change is killing people now" (all of these are direct quotes from presenters). "

http://www.techcentralstation.com/120805D.html

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Global warming is accepted by almost ALL reputable scientists.

Please prove this. Last I checked most climatologists are actually either on the fence (due to lack of historical data) or not in acceptance. To accept the data as it stands today would be poor science, there is just not enough history. Any scientist worth his/her weight would never put all of their eggs in such an unproven basket.

Now, people would like you to think that the scientific community is behind it - because Global Warming is big business. As a matter of fact at the current Global Warming UN meeting there are only a few scientists attending - and none presenting... Should tell you something about where they stand.

If you don't believe me - read this.

"MONTREAL -- As one of the very few scientists at the UN's eleventh Conference of the Parties climate meeting (COP-11), I feel like an outsider. That's because I am. The army of thousands in attendance (international delegates, NGOs, and all manner of stakeholders in the climate change issue), have little interest in knowing how certain or uncertain the science of global warming is. All these people know - or need to know - is that the "glaciers are melting," it's getting "hotter every year", and "climate change is killing people now" (all of these are direct quotes from presenters). "

http://www.techcentralstation.com/120805D.html

The conference is about Doing something, not Proving something. Scientists will continue to study the issue, but Governments and other Orgs will be who Does something about it.