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(Extreme) Left-wing Attorney General Ramsey clark joins Saddam defense team
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Proletariat
Diamond Member
No but what better example for a new Iraqi justice system that is fair and unbiased?
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Clark unbiased? We know that isn't true, now what is he doing there?
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Yeah, that is my suspicion. Maybe if he can get Saddam off just to prove Bush is bad?
Since we all know its a show trial anyway, Ramsey Clark is just there to get his name out.
But its also possible that Clark believes in the concept of everyone having their day in court and wants to make sure Saddam Hussein is properly represented. But, for some reason that whole concept is abhorrent to the current regime.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
I'm inclined to agree that it's a show trial.
If the US (and certainly the Iraqis) were interested in actual justice, Saddam would have been sent to the ICC. Why?
1) Impartiality of the presiding judge? Check.
2) Safety of legal teams? Check.
3) Safety of witnesses? Check.
4) Clear rules and uniform application? Check.
5) Speedy trial? Probably not but in comparison to the Baghdad Follies . . .
Once convicted . . . Johnny Cochran is dead so guilty men the world over are looking at trouble . . . he would be sentenced to life imprisonment without opportunity for parole and then sent back to Iraq to serve his sentence.
Hopefully, Iraq will have a legitimate judicial system in a decade or so. They then try Saddam for one of his other many despicable crimes . . . convict him . . . and hang him. Justice served. Iraqi justice . . . IMHO . . . the death penalty is just plain evil.
Then again, maybe some guy comes to power and "pardons" Saddam. Saddam then rises to prominence, takes over the reigns of Iraq, and well . . . so long and thanks for all the fish.
If the US (and certainly the Iraqis) were interested in actual justice, Saddam would have been sent to the ICC. Why?
1) Impartiality of the presiding judge? Check.
2) Safety of legal teams? Check.
3) Safety of witnesses? Check.
4) Clear rules and uniform application? Check.
5) Speedy trial? Probably not but in comparison to the Baghdad Follies . . .
Once convicted . . . Johnny Cochran is dead so guilty men the world over are looking at trouble . . . he would be sentenced to life imprisonment without opportunity for parole and then sent back to Iraq to serve his sentence.
Hopefully, Iraq will have a legitimate judicial system in a decade or so. They then try Saddam for one of his other many despicable crimes . . . convict him . . . and hang him. Justice served. Iraqi justice . . . IMHO . . . the death penalty is just plain evil.
Then again, maybe some guy comes to power and "pardons" Saddam. Saddam then rises to prominence, takes over the reigns of Iraq, and well . . . so long and thanks for all the fish.
What makes you think it isnt a fair trial? Because some hack makes a scene after being on the ground 2 days? Talk about somebody opening their mouth before knowing any of the facts.
If this was a real show trial, why not just hang him at high noon? Why spend 2 years gathering evidence to convict him?
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
And you don't buy stock or sell stuff on Ebay?
My bet is that the trial will never end before the key players are assasinated (including Saddam).
Official: Plot uncovered to attack Hussein trial
After all Iraq is such a peaceful place with it's daily bombings, assasination attepts, and corruption within the differing political and religious sects.
Official: Plot uncovered to attack Hussein trial
After all Iraq is such a peaceful place with it's daily bombings, assasination attepts, and corruption within the differing political and religious sects.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
Only American citizens deserve to be defended in court?
Explain why this action is wrong - not why you don't like Clark, not whether he hates George Bush, but why this action indicates something fatally wrong with him.
Lots of patriotic, contributing Americans, some of whom are called 'heroes' hate George Bush.
Big deal, I honestly don't care what you think of me, I post my opinion and sometimes you may categorize it as moderate and other times you may not.
I've seen Ramsey Clark speak a number of times, and just reviewed a transcript of a speech he gave in 2002. It wasn't a bad speech and he made some seemingly decent points.
However, Clark has defended some of the worst people in history. He strikes me as one of these people who dislikes US policy so much that his reaction is to side with enemies of the US and other western nations at every turn, nevermind that those he is assisting might be absolutely horrible people.
From Wikipedia:
"He has also provided legal counsel and advice to controversial figures in conflict with Western governments, including"
Nazi concentration camp boss Karl Linnas
The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws Advisory Board during late 1970s and early 1980s
Branch Davidian leader David Koresh
Antiwar activist Father Philip Berrigan
American Indian prisoner Leonard Peltier
Crimes of America conference in Teheran in 1980
Liberian political figure Charles Taylor during his 1985 fight against extradition from the United States to Liberia
Elizaphan Ntakirutimana, a leader of the Rwandan genocide
PLO leaders in a lawsuit brought by the family of Leon Klinghoffer, the wheelchair bound elderly tourist who was shot and tossed overboard from the hijacked Achille Lauro cruise ship by Palestinian terrorists in 1986
Camilo Mejia, a US soldier who deserted his post in March 2004, claiming he did not want any part of an "oil-driven war"
Radovan Karadzic, of Yugoslavia and accused war criminal
Counsel to Slobodan Milosevic, former President of Yugoslavia, accused war criminal
Saddam Hussein, former president of Iraq and accused war criminal ''
He essentially aids people no matter how brutal their crimes seemingly on the qualification that they have been in conflict with the US or other western governments.
It's another example of someone who, in my judgement has taken the wrong but common "either-or" approach, disliking US policy so he sides with US enemies, even though most of them have done things a thousand times more heinous to his claimed principles than the United States.
Defending him like none of this is relevant and he's just the average defense lawyer out doing his job is either a really stupid way to side with yet another repulsive anti-Western/American person or is done out of ignorance to his historical acts.
Proletariat
Diamond Member
So what about his actions during the civil rights era?
Votingisanillusion
Senior member
Maybe he wants to show the complicity of Western Oligarchies with all these bad guys. After all, Saddam was recruited by the CIA to become a dictator.
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