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(Extreme) Left-wing Attorney General Ramsey clark joins Saddam defense team

Don't we agree that everybody should have a right to a lawyer in the United States? As a lawyer you make no judgement on your client whether hes right or wrong, you have an obligation to defend him. That is the nature of the law.
 
Clark could help Saddam expose several interesting things about his relationship with the US: how the CIA helped him reach power, how the Pentagon helped him build his army, how Washington manipulated him into attacking Iran and Kuweit.
 
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Clark could help Saddam expose several interesting things about his relationship with the US: how the CIA helped him reach power, how the Pentagon helped him build his army, how Washington manipulated him into attacking Iran and Koweit.
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He could help Saddam expose the spelling problem in the USA as well. (It's Kuwait).
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Clark could help Saddam expose several interesting things about his relationship with the US: how the CIA helped him reach power, how the Pentagon helped him build his army, how Washington manipulated him into attacking Iran and Koweit.
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He could help Saddam expose the spelling problem in the USA as well. (It's Kuwait).
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You're both spelling it right. Koweit
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So Saddam should not be entitled to a defense? Or an American should not defend him because somehow it is unpatriotic to believe that a justice system should be run as intended, and that an accused person is entitled to a vigorous defence.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So Saddam should not be entitled to a defense? Or an American should not defend him because somehow it is unpatriotic to believe that a justice system should be run as intended, and that an accused person is entitled to a vigorous defence.
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It never fails to amuse me that those who are most belligerent about their "patriotism" (jingoism, really) are often so quick to scorn America's core principles. It seems they would really be happier in a Soviet-style regime where people can be imprisoned without trial based on hearsay or mere suspicion, where dissent is forbidden, and where the press is purely a propaganda organ for the government. I just don't get how people who so loudly claim to love America can so hate what she stands for.



(Edit: "jingosim" is more appropriate than just "nationalism". Thanks arsbanned.)
 
Old news.
Anyway, why not? He's a defense attorney. Just because America decides to remove someone from power, they don't deserve to be defended? What about "FREEDOM" and "DEMOCRACY"? Empty words I guess.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So Saddam should not be entitled to a defense? Or an American should not defend him because somehow it is unpatriotic to believe that a justice system should be run as intended, and that an accused person is entitled to a vigorous defence.
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It never fails to amuse me that those who are most belligerent about their "patriotism" (nationalism, really) are often so quick to scorn America's core principles. It seems they would really be happier in a Soviet-style regime where people can be imprisoned without trial based on hearsay or mere suspicion, where dissent is forbidden, and where the press is purely a propaganda organ for the government. I just don't get how people who so loudly claim to love America can so hate what she stands for.
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Interestingly, frackal would be a loyalist during Revolutionary times and Ramsey Clark a Patriot.
It's Jingoism really.
 
other than the disruption he will cause, nothing wrong with him advising. jane fonda will probably be sitting on the other side of saddam before the month is out.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So Saddam should not be entitled to a defense? Or an American should not defend him because somehow it is unpatriotic to believe that a justice system should be run as intended, and that an accused person is entitled to a vigorous defence.
Click to expand...
It never fails to amuse me that those who are most belligerent about their "patriotism" (nationalism, really) are often so quick to scorn America's core principles. It seems they would really be happier in a Soviet-style regime where people can be imprisoned without trial based on hearsay or mere suspicion, where dissent is forbidden, and where the press is purely a propaganda organ for the government. I just don't get how people who so loudly claim to love America can so hate what she stands for.
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One of the best posts ever written here.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Old news.
Anyway, why not? He's a defense attorney. Just because America decides to remove someone from power, they don't deserve to be defended? What about "FREEDOM" and "DEMOCRACY"? Empty words I guess.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So Saddam should not be entitled to a defense? Or an American should not defend him because somehow it is unpatriotic to believe that a justice system should be run as intended, and that an accused person is entitled to a vigorous defence.
Click to expand...
It never fails to amuse me that those who are most belligerent about their "patriotism" (nationalism, really) are often so quick to scorn America's core principles. It seems they would really be happier in a Soviet-style regime where people can be imprisoned without trial based on hearsay or mere suspicion, where dissent is forbidden, and where the press is purely a propaganda organ for the government. I just don't get how people who so loudly claim to love America can so hate what she stands for.
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Interestingly, frackal would be a loyalist during Revolutionary times and Ramsey Clark a Patriot.
It's Jingoism really.
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Yes, good call. "Jingosim" is the word I wanted.
 
Ramsey Clark is bravely, and honorably, fulfilling his oath as an attorney. This has nothing whatsoever to do with his (alleged) political bent. Do you honestly think left-wingers favor tyrants? Trying to insure a fair trial is something to aspire to, not criticize.

When I think of the flak Mr. Clark is getting for literally risking his life, and professional reputation, while doing this, and compare it to Bush's screwup flunkies that were awarded the Medal of Freedom last year as rewards for the damage they did to this country, I don't feel exactly proud.
 
Ramsey Clark is bravely, and honorably, fulfilling his oath as an attorney. This has nothing whatsoever to do with his (alleged) political bent. Do you honestly think left-wingers favor tyrants? Trying to insure a fair trial is something to aspire to, not criticize.
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You have to be kidding, right? This has everything to do with his political bend, or did you miss this part of the article:

Clark is affiliated with VoteToImpeach, an organization advocating the impeachment of President George W. Bush. He has been an opponent of both Gulf Wars.
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Bowfinger is right in that out of respect for what America stands for, it is somewhat inproper to attack Clark, because he is fulfilling the expectations and mandate of his responsibilities as a lawyer...lawyers don't necessarily have to like or agree with the people they are representing...their function is to ensure that the defendent receives a fair trial, and adequate legal representation.

However, given Clark's political activism, most notably against the Bush Administration, I doubt his intentions are simply a deep rooted respect for the merits of due process...his involvement does have a partisan driven political taint, but then again, that is certainly his perogative.

And it is somewhat questionable that Clark would choose to embarass or take a shot at an unpopular President by defending a tyrant...then again, all is fair game in the world of partisan politics.
 
they played part of his speech today on the radio, He talked about the importance of the trial being fair and what it meant to the Iraqi people.



He also asked the judge to give the defence attorneys protection, because currently they are not protected, hence 2 have already been killed.



sounds like he is trying to ensure a fair Trial.

It is important that the first major trial of this new democracy be fair or they are screwed forever.


Clark does hate Bush though. He is a thorn to the Us government because he always points out how hypocritic we are to are own values.
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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well you finally showed your true self, you masquerade around like a moderate but we all knew you were the O'Lielly-Coulter type. You fit right in with your black and white simpleton right wing friends around here.
 
Here are the credentials of Ramsey Clark:

Clark played an important role in the history of the American Civil Rights movement. During his years at the Justice Department, he

* supervised the federal presence at Ole Miss during the week following the admission of James Meredith;
* surveyed all school districts in the South desegregating under court order (1963);
* supervised federal enforcement of the court order protecting the march from Selma to Montgomery; and
* headed the Presidential task force to Watts following the riots.
* supervised the drafting and executive role in passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and Civil Rights Act of 1968.

Seems like an awesome guy to me. Just because he is the defense attorney for Saddam doesn't mean hes necessarily a bad guy. He may just want to see Saddam get a fair trail. If he does get a fair trial it will be a good example for the nation. In fact they should televise it.
 
Ramsy Clark is just a misgided soul. All countries have them. He is irrelevant.
He was only US Attorny General because of a political scheme by LBJ.
 
He is a defense attorney and he believes in basic rights, who cares?

I guess things like this make him an evil leftist to the Bush cheerleaders:

Clark is affiliated with VoteToImpeach, an organization advocating the impeachment of President George W. Bush.
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I'm curious when the GOP will change their party mascot.
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Just another left-wingnut actively and openly supporting the opposition of the United States
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So what was Saddam when Rumsfeld was cozying up to him in Baghdad . . . misunderstood?
 
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Don't we agree that everybody should have a right to a lawyer in the United States? As a lawyer you make no judgement on your client whether hes right or wrong, you have an obligation to defend him. That is the nature of the law.
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My money is on there being a couple million dollars in it for Clark. My experience is that if you want to know what a lawyer is up to, you follow the money trail. Question: Who's paying? What is the real purpose? Saddam did have several lawyers who are schooled in the laws that are commonly accepted in the Middle East. Since Clark knows little or nothing about that and probably hasn't passed the bar in Bagdad, what is he doing there?
 
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