Export restrictions, i just do not get it.

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Supply the rebels in any country with arms. Arms that are (as history learns will always be used against the countries providing them, yes US)... But refuse to export electronic components or be extremely difficult about it because it might be used for creating bombs.... :rolleyes:

I ordered a special sensor.
I sure hope, i get the part. But i would not be surprised if i would get refused.
So often at work, we have to order components only to answer a long list of questions and promising not to use it for making bombs or other devices to hurt people... :\
 

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the arms industry has way more hooks into government than the special sensor industry does.

further, i can kinda see an argument that a complete arms system with training and support is a bit more difficult to backward engineer and make your own arms out of. whereas with particular equipment you could be making your own arms and the US gov't would have little control over those.
 
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Well, i am not working for a company that is owned by a questionable investment firm... All honesty.

I feel it is just silliness.
 
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I will just patiently wait for the verdict...

I think i am going to watch a few Dr Who episodes on netflix.
Billy Piper sure looks like a cute little cuddly bear.
 

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Well, if you get them, I require 1000 Pirani gauges with corrosion resistance to hydrofluoric acid, as well as 1000 1.6 kHz motor speed controllers for a project.

However, I keep hitting a wall trying to get these things, and it's really slowing me down.
 

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...I ordered a special sensor.
I sure hope, i get the part. ... :\
I work for a very small company. This is why we purchase from US and sell with, at minimum, payment-before-shipment through a freight forwarder arranged and paid for by the buyer. We've never had a problem getting or selling a foreign part.
 
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Well, if you get them, I require 1000 Pirani gauges with corrosion resistance to hydrofluoric acid, as well as 1000 1.6 kHz motor speed controllers for a project.

However, I keep hitting a wall trying to get these things, and it's really slowing me down.

Maybe i am going to far with this, but i remember a thread here about stuxnet ?
That vaguely associates with your post... :hmm:
 
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I work for a very small company. This is why we purchase from US and sell with, at minimum, payment-before-shipment through a freight forwarder arranged and paid for by the buyer. We've never had a problem getting or selling a foreign part.

To be honest, most of the time it is just a formality. But this time is the first time that i have experienced it as i have recently.
 
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the arms industry has way more hooks into government than the special sensor industry does.

further, i can kinda see an argument that a complete arms system with training and support is a bit more difficult to backward engineer and make your own arms out of. whereas with particular equipment you could be making your own arms and the US gov't would have little control over those.

Well, i find that argument kind of moot.
With a bit of experience, it is very easy to create a detonation device that creates a high voltage spark or produces a lot of heat.
Something that triggers on the presence of people or by a remote ?
You can get all the components from off the shelf parts from wall mart if you really want to.
IR motion sensors, gps units, modems or just mobile phones.

Electronic components like the one i need still need a whole lot of support electronics and smart software.
Without the software, it does nothing. It is useless.
And it is not designed to harm people, where as arms are. So that is kind of hypocrite.
Sell guns and bullets, give away anti tank weapons ? sure. But an electronic sensor that needs sophisticated software to function is out of the question.


For Chemicals i fully understand export restrictions. As these can be made pretty easy to create explosive materials.
 

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Order from a free country? If they're Japanese, order from Japan. Russia might have something useful.
 
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Order from a free country? If they're Japanese, order from Japan. Russia might have something useful.

Well, if i am not allowed to get the part, i will just try it in another way.
It is just aggravating that the part is already in the warehouse in the Netherlands or UK, but the person to give clearance for the part is in the USA.
I answered all questions yesterday and still did not get a reply.
I should have lied when answering the questions, but as usual i am to honest.

I called today but there is still no reply. I was hoping to play with it during my vacation, but it can very well be that that is not going to happen. I am still hoping to get the part next week. I will just drop by at work to collect it and go home again if (very big IF) i get it.
 
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Yahoo. It finally got approved. Did take longer then was written on the website. I have to pick it up next week at work.

Edit, on my other pc i have an adblocker so i normally do not see ads. Now however i do have no ad blocker and i just got an ad about milfs with huge breasts seeking a lover, on the left side of the webpage. That is kind of weird for AT forum.
 
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LOL, you know what else is silly? Software encryption. You can't sell anything to some countries if it has 128-bit encryption... It's freaking retarded.
 
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LOL, you know what else is silly? Software encryption. You can't sell anything to some countries if it has 128-bit encryption... It's freaking retarded.

Is 128 bit encryption also not available in a open source version ?
And is 256 bit encryption not the minimum nowadays ?
 

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lol I was reading on that, certain mosfets or sensors or other electronic components require to go through lot of hoops just to order in the US.

Meanwhile you can walk into a gas station and pickup a hand gun, ammo, pay for your gas and walk out. Or since you're now holding a gun with ammo, you can probably skip the whole paying part. :p

Chocolate eggs that come with a toy are also illegal. And it's actually taken very seriously too, like they search you for them at the border and everything.

These type of restrictions jarr me out.
 
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lol I was reading on that, certain mosfets or sensors or other electronic components require to go through lot of hoops just to order in the US.

Meanwhile you can walk into a gas station and pickup a hand gun, ammo, pay for your gas and walk out. Or since you're now holding a gun with ammo, you can probably skip the whole paying part. :p

Chocolate eggs that come with a toy are also illegal. And it's actually taken very seriously too, like they search you for them at the border and everything.

These type of restrictions jarr me out.

Yeah, it is as if somebody said in the past : "something must be done".
And so they did...
A knee jerk reaction.
Combined with some advisers for the restrictions having an agenda for financial gain.

When it comes to weapons and certain chemicals, i am all for it to be tightly regulated.
 
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When i get it and get it to work, i will post about it in the highly technical section. When i unveil the part, it might for some be a bit disappointing or some may laugh about why it is export restricted.
Some acceleration sensors and MEMS gyroscope sensors from Analog devices are so precise, that these cannot be bought easily. I suspect some of these sensors or even the more precise models are used in guided missiles.
The ic i want is also MEMS technology and i think that is why it is difficult to get. But it is a totally different type of IC. I think it is state of the art stuff. Expensive too. Costs about 40 euro.
I think MEMS technology IC's in general are covered by the export restriction rules. But i am not sure. I did not do extensive research about it.
 
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Yahooo. I have it. It is an infrared sensor matrix build upon MEMS technology.
It can measure temperature with an accuracy of 0.25C. And the sophisticated software i thought i needed turns out to be easy now that i have gone through the documentation in full detail. The sensor itself does all the conversion, the software only needs to calibrate for offset on a per pixel basis. It is a passive infrared sensor for mid and long wave infrared.

I think the MEMS technology is primarly used for creation of the infrared lens and optical filter.
As it turns out, there exists infrared sensors based on MEMS technology that are used for heat seeking missiles. I do doubt based on the specs that this ic may not be accurate enough to be used for such a purpose. But a dangerous creative mind could still use this ic. After a lot of thinking, i can imagine that some caution might be needed by any electronic component reseller.
Although the ic i have is blind at distances after about 10 meters. It is a bit short sighted.
 
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Well, if you get them, I require 1000 Pirani gauges with corrosion resistance to hydrofluoric acid, as well as 1000 1.6 kHz motor speed controllers for a project.

However, I keep hitting a wall trying to get these things, and it's really slowing me down.

Trying to enrich some radioactive materials?
 
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For detecting movement, i am going to need some smarter software. But that will be fun to think about. Blob detection and all.