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Fern

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So you think that based on testimony from groups that have been audited that equals proof conservative groups have been audited more! I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion but let's say you are right, do you think the fact that there were triple the amount of conservative groups applying would affect that?

Exactly what are you trying to prove?

No, I wouldn't consider it proof at this point. We're aways from that.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I am concerned that there could be an effort, or the appearance of such, to create an atmosphere of intimidation by govt agencies, polluted by partisanship, to stiffle political opposition, or at least handicap it. I don't think it necessary to persecute every single opponent to achieve that.

Moreover, we're in a bad enough politically social situation that we really don't need to exacerbate it by making people paraniod ("I'm taking the 5th!"). At this point, those who were accused of paranoia are comfortable in saying "I told you so", and we certainly have no 'high ground' in arguing with them.

Let's stop giving people ammo unnecessarily. We're moving in the wrong direction here and it ain't from the opposition - those in power are creating this, whether by intentional acts or incompetence.

Fern
 

ivwshane

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No, I wouldn't consider it proof at this point. We're aways from that.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I am concerned that there could be an effort, or the appearance of such, to create an atmosphere of intimidation by govt agencies, polluted by partisanship, to stiffle political opposition, or at least handicap it. I don't think it necessary to persecute every single opponent to achieve that.

Moreover, we're in a bad enough politically social situation that we really don't need to exacerbate it by making people paraniod ("I'm taking the 5th!"). At this point, those who were accused of paranoia are comfortable in saying "I told you so", and we certainly have no 'high ground' in arguing with them.

Let's stop giving people ammo unnecessarily. We're moving in the wrong direction here and it ain't from the opposition - those in power are creating this, whether by intentional acts or incompetence.

Fern

Ok, I can agree on that.
 

Jhhnn

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I haven't walked away from anything. You keep making bogus claims - e.g., like this "I asked for verifiable specifics. None have been offered." when you did you did no such thing.

Hahaha, it's here in print.

In addition, you've been provided specifics.

Fern

I addressed that in the post you selectively quoted, and in the following post. Be honest.
 

Jhhnn

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The Baby ACORNs which did voter registration were also organized as 501(c)(3) corps if I recall correctly. Donations are therefore deductible, and neither voter registration nor voter verification is inherently partisan.

Nice dodge. Englebrecht's groups *obviously* engaged in "voter verification" in highly partisan fashion.
 

werepossum

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Nice dodge. Englebrecht's groups *obviously* engaged in "voter verification" in highly partisan fashion.
Obviously. They are not progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition highly partisan. ACORN, on the other hand, IS a collection of progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition non-partisan. Even an anonymous conservative Republican IRS manager knows this.
 

Jhhnn

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Obviously. They are not progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition highly partisan. ACORN, on the other hand, IS a collection of progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition non-partisan. Even an anonymous conservative Republican IRS manager knows this.

Not only do you just believe what you want to believe, you avoid reading any information that might weaken your faith, like posted links.

Best to be cautious, so as not to have your mind or your precious bodily fluids polluted. Never forget, Knowledge is the enemy of Faith.
 

monovillage

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There is still no evidence that the FBI has even bothered calling any of the Tea Party groups most effected by the illegal use of the IRS to delay and persecute their application for status says the Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/f...ngle-tea-party-group-in-irs-probe-groups-say/

This is why no reasonable person does or should trust the Obama administration to investigate itself, we need a special prosecutor and we need one now.
 
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There is still no evidence that the FBI has even bothered calling any of the Tea Party groups most effected by the illegal use of the IRS to delay and persecute their application for status says the Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/f...ngle-tea-party-group-in-irs-probe-groups-say/

This is why no reasonable person does or should trust the Obama administration to investigate itself, we need a special prosecutor and we need one now.

What else do you expect from obama? The FBI probably won't do much.
 

werepossum

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Not only do you just believe what you want to believe, you avoid reading any information that might weaken your faith, like posted links.

Best to be cautious, so as not to have your mind or your precious bodily fluids polluted. Never forget, Knowledge is the enemy of Faith.
Posted links to far left "reports". And actually I did read them, I just didn't see any point in
commenting on them.

There is still no evidence that the FBI has even bothered calling any of the Tea Party groups most effected by the illegal use of the IRS to delay and persecute their application for status says the Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/f...ngle-tea-party-group-in-irs-probe-groups-say/

This is why no reasonable person does or should trust the Obama administration to investigate itself, we need a special prosecutor and we need one now.
Why would they? They already know the required result, and any actual investigation merely makes that more embarrassing.
 

Jhhnn

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Posted links to far left "reports". And actually I did read them, I just didn't see any point in
commenting on them.


Why would they? They already know the required result, and any actual investigation merely makes that more embarrassing.

"Far Left" characterization is just an excuse to label and reject, just as Rush taught you. The fact that you even use the term in such a way means that you have no idea what "Far Left" really is. There is no far left of any note in this country, nobody calling for the abolishment of private property, collectivization, or the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Did Englebrecht's group file for 501c(3) status, or 501c(4)?

There's a world of difference in what a group can do under the differing requirements, not to mention that her groups are rather obviously political, meaning they don't remotely qualify for 501c(3) status. None of her fanbois ever mention any of that, of course, preferring their own story line of "voter fraud" & the Ebil Obama... and the poor picked on and repressed Tea Party groups who can't qualify for the anonymous big money because the big givers don't want to let the cat out of the bag, reveal the astroturfed nature of the Tea Party by revealing the sources of funding.
 

monovillage

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The far left demands sources of funding so they can target opponents using that data and by using the government to punish their opponents. Sorry, but if that isn't behavior indicative of the far left then you need to change your laughable definition what it is.

and btw the only fucking assholes that say "ebil Obama" are the far left fucking assholes that lie about the conservatives/republicans and libertarians.
 

fskimospy

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The far left demands sources of funding so they can target opponents using that data and by using the government to punish their opponents. Sorry, but if that isn't behavior indicative of the far left then you need to change your laughable definition what it is.

and btw the only fucking assholes that say "ebil Obama" are the far left fucking assholes that lie about the conservatives/republicans and libertarians.

You go off your meds?
 

monovillage

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Lois Lerner, the criminal Democrat that's the face of Obamacare.



Obama is famous for having brought "The Chicago Way" to national politics, to the character of the presidency. What does this mean, exactly?

In politics, Leftists pursue power while conservatives pursue principle. I know. Rolling of eyes. Screeches of outrage. Sarcastic catcalls. "Everybody does it."

"Even if it's true, you don't mean all Leftists..." Well...yes. To the extent that we organize ourselves into groups, then the members of a group are advancing the objectives of that group. If you are a Democrat, you are advancing the objectives of the Democratic Party.

Look at the difference between a Leftist in power and a conservative in power. If you were to accuse a conservative in power of favoring one group over another in a civic matter because of the political support of that group, the conservative would be affronted.

If you were to accuse a Leftist of doing the same thing, the Leftist would be proud. "You got the message. If you are on our side, good things happen. If you are not, bad things happen." The Chicago Way is simply a harder nosed and more shameless version of that.

Here is the John Le Carre twist in this. The only way the Leftists can expand the power, the reach, of the government is by pretending that the government is guided by conservative principles. I.e., that the government will act dispassionately in everyone's best interest intermixed with mercy in more extreme cases (ignoring Hayek's argument that it is impossible for the government to have this sort of knowledge). If the government is going to be an instrument of control and retribution, the public would not countenance its expansion.

ObamaCare is not there to provide us with health care. We already have that. It is there to prevent us from getting health care - to ration it. And we are paying for the privilege. The government has no source of income except us. So it can only pay for our health care with our money. It is not giving us anything.

The IRS is going to be the enforcer of ObamaCare. Yes, the first step is that the IRS is "only" going to check that everybody has paid for it. But if that is all that is involved, why do we need 16,000 more IRS agents when we know that a huge number of them now are doing nothing but harassing innocents?

And since we are adults, we do not have to accept the "Little Red Reader" version that we are being spoon-fed. This approach to health care is going to require rationing and who is the enforcer of that rationing going to be? Lois Lerner.

So, what does ObamaCare come down to? LoisLernerCare. Lois Lerner is the face of ObamaCare. She is the one who is going to decide whether your family deserves this or that procedure. Scary enough for you?

Let's return to the Leftist view vs. the conservative view. Lois Lerner is not embarrassed that she was head of the department that used the power of the IRS to diminish the presence of the Tea Party in the last election. She is proud of it! That was what she was there for! Conservatives are subversives, terrorists, racists, whatever calumny the Left can dream up. She was doing - I can't say "God's work" because God does not exist on the Left - let's say, the work of history. She was fulfilling her mission. Yes, there is the detail of criminal behavior, but that will get ironed out.

"Now 'den" as Dr. Strangelove would say, when you watch your children playing in the yard, is LoisLernerCare what you want for them where their lives as members of a conservative family will have less value to the State than those of favored groups, whatever groups may be in fashion at the time?

All the while paying for the whole thing?

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/06/lois_lerner_the_face_of_obamacare.html#ixzz2WPRGtAg7
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shadow9d9

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Obviously. They are not progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition highly partisan. ACORN, on the other hand, IS a collection of progressive leftist groups; therefore anything they do is by definition non-partisan. Even an anonymous conservative Republican IRS manager knows this.

There are no "progressive/leftist" groups outside of the phantoms in your head.
 

Schmide

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Apparently you haven't heard of media matters/move on and cap.

Dude the only thing media matter does is fact check the right? Then again facts have a left leaning bias.

Move On is a 501(c)(4) not a news org? Then again facts have a left leaning bias.
 

shadow9d9

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The far left demands sources of funding so they can target opponents using that data and by using the government to punish their opponents. Sorry, but if that isn't behavior indicative of the far left then you need to change your laughable definition what it is.

and btw the only fucking assholes that say "ebil Obama" are the far left fucking assholes that lie about the conservatives/republicans and libertarians.

There is no left in this country, let alone a "far" left... you could blame middle/right democrats or fucking insane right republicans, but don't blame an imaginary force!
 

shadow9d9

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Apparently you haven't heard of media matters/move on and cap.

How many members of congress do they control? I am sure there are a handful of citizens who are marxists in this country too... so what? They have no power in the government. You have one socialist senator and then you have the middle/right democrats and the off the cliff right republicans controlling this country.. we are further right than any other first world country.
 

monovillage

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There is no left in this country, let alone a "far" left... you could blame middle/right democrats or fucking insane right republicans, but don't blame an imaginary force!

No one believes your little made up definitions of what is "left, right and/or far left. Come back to reality.
 

woolfe9998

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No one believes your little made up definitions of what is "left, right and/or far left. Come back to reality.

If you look at the ideological span in the entire first world, the US has no real "left." Our mainstream left isn't even dead center in the rest of the first world. We have some real leftists here, but they aren't all that numerous.

Of course, if you want to contain the definitions to the spectrum available in the US, then whatever is further left her is "far left" by definition. However, that's a pretty constrained view of all possible ideologies.