Exploding IRS scandal.

[BlueWolf47]

I guess we need to start an equal rights movement for teabaggers.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn is unfortunately symbolic of many on the far left. They consider conservatives and traditional Americans so evil that no room remains for any other evil. Therefore teahadist is an appropriate term but jihadist is hate speech because people who intentionally murder children for religion cannot compare to the evil of people who oppose gay marriage for religion. It's a blind, unreasoning hatred.

Project often? Apparently so. I don't think of conservatives in general as evil, merely afraid of change & easily manipulated. I don't see jihadist as hate speech, at all.

The term -hadist refers to any zealot who places faith above reason, particularly those so well indoctrinated in the ways of Denial that they can't possibly realize it. Inconsequential is obviously such an individual.

He firmly believes that this trumped up scandal reaches all the way to the top, despite having zero evidence to show that it does. It wouldn't ever have come to the surface or been the subject of trumped up outrage had the IRS not initiated a public apology. When challenged, he duh-verts & denies, being extremely well conditioned & propagandized in the ways of doing so. He just believes, and that's that. Nothing could possibly change his mind, ever.

It's the same headset as birtherism, and it doesn't look good on anybody.

 

[Incorruptible]

Jhhnn is unfortunately symbolic of many on the far left. They consider conservatives and traditional Americans so evil that no room remains for any other evil. Therefore teahadist is an appropriate term but jihadist is hate speech because people who intentionally murder children for religion cannot compare to the evil of people who oppose gay marriage for religion. It's a blind, unreasoning hatred.

Agree. It's people like him that represent part of what is wrong with the country. They have a deep hatred for people who dare to speak the truth and offer different views.

They are so PC that they attack Christians who do much less harm than radical Islam.

Apparently the left doesn't realize that Jihadist is a religious term from one religion. "teahadist" makes no sense. What makes these leftists so stupid is that they would be one of the first to be killed under radical Islam.

This guy is a hypocrite since he would be furious if his moronic groups were targeted. Funny how he doesn't seem to have a problem with george sorros and his money.

It wouldn't surprise me if jhhnn started screaming and dancing in joy when he found out the Tea Party was targeted and he held a celebratory circle jerk with other leftists.

 

[davmat787]

Jhhnn is unfortunately symbolic of many on the far left. They consider conservatives and traditional Americans so evil that no room remains for any other evil. Therefore teahadist is an appropriate term but jihadist is hate speech because people who intentionally murder children for religion cannot compare to the evil of people who oppose gay marriage for religion. It's a blind, unreasoning hatred.

What I find odd in regards to Jhhhn is that he used to be a relatively thoughtful and intelligent poster. I like reading opinions of those I may disagree with, and he is no longer on that list. Wolfe9998, DVC, ZDZFD or whatever his name is are examples of those I still read, even though I may disagree with their political views more often than not. Of course there are more posters than just those three.

Jhhhhn's posts are now simply hate filled rhetoric full of the tired clichés and talking points.

What happened to the Jhhhn we used to know? If I had to guess, it is due to Obama turning out to be human, and a sell out to his 'hope and change' message base. And then there is that transparency thing and continuing Bush's policies. And lets not forget the erosion of civil liberties.

Yea, if I had put so much emotion stock in a man like that I might become unhinged as well, so nothing personal Jhhhn. This is why I simply choose to not trust or place hope in any politician, they are all liars and will let you down as soon as they have your vote.

 

[werepossum]

Project often? Apparently so. I don't think of conservatives in general as evil, merely afraid of change & easily manipulated. I don't see jihadist as hate speech, at all.

The term -hadist refers to any zealot who places faith above reason, particularly those so well indoctrinated in the ways of Denial that they can't possibly realize it. Inconsequential is obviously such an individual.

He firmly believes that this trumped up scandal reaches all the way to the top, despite having zero evidence to show that it does. It wouldn't ever have come to the surface or been the subject of trumped up outrage had the IRS not initiated a public apology. When challenged, he duh-verts & denies, being extremely well conditioned & propagandized in the ways of doing so. He just believes, and that's that. Nothing could possibly change his mind, ever.

It's the same headset as birtherism, and it doesn't look good on anybody.

One "-hadist" intentionally murders women and children. The other "-hadist" believes government should not spend more than it takes in. That you continually equate the two is simply mindblowing.

Just in case anyone has been under a rock for the last few decades, there is no such word base as "-hadist" except in the mind of loons. The word base is "jihad" - a holy war to destroy the enemies of Islam and allow that religion to take over the world. "Teahadist" is simply a made-up word to equate resistance to ever-increasing federal budgets and debt with murdering women and children, and if you deduct 50 points from the presumed IQ of anyone using it you won't go far wrong. Just don't forget to deduct 50 integrity points as well.

 

[werepossum]

What I find odd in regards to Jhhhn is that he used to be a relatively thoughtful and intelligent poster. I like reading opinions of those I may disagree with, and he is no longer on that list. Wolfe9998, DVC, ZDZFD or whatever his name is are examples of those I still read, even though I may disagree with their political views more often than not. Of course there are more posters than just those three.

Jhhhhn's posts are now simply hate filled rhetoric full of the tired clichés and talking points.

What happened to the Jhhhn we used to know? If I had to guess, it is due to Obama turning out to be human, and a sell out to his 'hope and change' message base. And then there is that transparency thing and continuing Bush's policies. And lets not forget the erosion of civil liberties.

Yea, if I had put so much emotion stock in a man like that I might become unhinged as well, so nothing personal Jhhhn. This is why I simply choose to not trust or place hope in any politician, they are all liars and will let you down as soon as they have your vote.

Well said, and I agree completely.

We all have things about which we are less than rational; that is part of the human condition. It's just unfortunately when someone with a brain allows that to extend to virtually everything.

At the end of the day, "my guy" is very seldom more than marginally better than "their guy". To believe otherwise is to abandon rationality. Once you accept that, politicians will very occasionally delight you instead of continuously disappointing you.

 

[piasabird]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it must be a duck. The entire government is just as corrupt as the IRS. This is why we should cut back the funding of all government agencies. Abolish the Gestoppo (Home land Security)!

The Government is the enemy and you are the target!

 

[werepossum]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it must be a duck. The entire government is just as corrupt as the IRS. This is why we should cut back the funding of all government agencies. Abolish the Gestoppo (Home land Security)!

The Government is the enemy and you are the target!

I don't think it's fair to say the government is the enemy. A better interpretation would be that we've allowed government powers while willfully ignoring the unavoidable side effects. We've encouraged the growth of government power either because it's "our side" or in the name of security or in the name of entitlements, while ignoring that it's much easier for politicians to use that power against us than against our enemies. Power granted WILL be power used.

 

[bshole]

The reason I am convinced that Obama and his cabinet are not in the least involved in this is quite simple. I can't see any gain they would could possibly get by going after these groups like this. None. Obama is smart enough to know that the right wing is absolutely frothing at the mouth to gin up a scandal against him. They have been at non-stop before his first election and have accelerated their scandal gin machine since. Why in the world would he serve up a scandal on a silver platter? How does it help him (in any way) to mess around with the Tea Partiers? So unless and until concrete evidence is provided tying Obama and his cabinet, it is very bad taste to imply that his fingerprints are on this mess.

Never liked the IRS myself and that was long before Obama. It will be nice to see them get their comeuppance (at least the people involved in this mess). It would also be nice to see some of these political groups (both left and right) that are posing as charitable organizations dragged out into the light and possibly civilly charged.

 

[Zorkorist]

Well said, and I agree completely.

We all have things about which we are less than rational; that is part of the human condition. It's just unfortunately when someone with a brain allows that to extend to virtually everything.

At the end of the day, "my guy" is very seldom more than marginally better than "their guy". To believe otherwise is to abandon rationality. Once you accept that, politicians will very occasionally delight you instead of continuously disappointing you.

I find Jhnnn's arguments generally well thought out, and easily understood.

I disagree, with you Werepossum, that at the end of the day, mediocrity, or shades of Gray are what the political person wants. The political person wants the best for his Country, and his Governement.

Jhnnn, obviously wants the best for his Country and Government.... you, however seem to be happy to debate endlessly, for whatever flavor of Government, you agree/disagree with at the moment. At least Jhnnn has a position and takes a stand.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

I don't think it's fair to say the government is the enemy. A better interpretation would be that we've allowed government powers while willfully ignoring the unavoidable side effects. We've encouraged the growth of government power either because it's "our side" or in the name of security or in the name of entitlements, while ignoring that it's much easier for politicians to use that power against us than against our enemies. Power granted WILL be power used.

Therefore, they are the enemy.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The Bill of Rights, was supposed to help us combat the power of runaway government, and it hasn't. The Constitution itself, gives GREAT power to the Government.

Now that the Bill of Rights is up for debate, can we not open the Constitution to debate?

-John {Those little mother-fuckers}

 

[Jhhnn]

One "-hadist" intentionally murders women and children. The other "-hadist" believes government should not spend more than it takes in. That you continually equate the two is simply mindblowing.

Just in case anyone has been under a rock for the last few decades, there is no such word base as "-hadist" except in the mind of loons. The word base is "jihad" - a holy war to destroy the enemies of Islam and allow that religion to take over the world. "Teahadist" is simply a made-up word to equate resistance to ever-increasing federal budgets and debt with murdering women and children, and if you deduct 50 points from the presumed IQ of anyone using it you won't go far wrong. Just don't forget to deduct 50 integrity points as well.

If you think that Inconsequential & his fellow travelers wouldn't let people starve & freeze to death or die from lack of care in adherence to their ideological purity, you're delusional. Killing people is killing people, no matter the ends used to achieve it.

 

[Incorruptible]

If you think that Inconsequential & his fellow travelers wouldn't let people starve & freeze to death or die from lack of care in adherence to their ideological purity, you're delusional. Killing people is killing people, no matter the ends used to achieve it.

Alright keep making up more BS.

So you have no problems with a Jihadist but you go after your fake "teahadist"

Looks like you can join Earl on the list of jihadists.

 

[Jhhnn]

The reason I am convinced that Obama and his cabinet are not in the least involved in this is quite simple. I can't see any gain they would could possibly get by going after these groups like this. None. Obama is smart enough to know that the right wing is absolutely frothing at the mouth to gin up a scandal against him. They have been at non-stop before his first election and have accelerated their scandal gin machine since. Why in the world would he serve up a scandal on a silver platter? How does it help him (in any way) to mess around with the Tea Partiers? So unless and until concrete evidence is provided tying Obama and his cabinet, it is very bad taste to imply that his fingerprints are on this mess.

Never liked the IRS myself and that was long before Obama. It will be nice to see them get their comeuppance (at least the people involved in this mess). It would also be nice to see some of these political groups (both left and right) that are posing as charitable organizations dragged out into the light and possibly civilly charged.

Of course. But the oppressed Mayberry Machiavellians find conspiracies leading straight to the top whenever the opposition occupies the Oval Office.

 

[Jhhnn]

Alright keep making up more BS.

So you have no problems with a Jihadist but you go after your fake "teahadist"

Looks like you can join Earl on the list of jihadists.

Despite your usual state of oblivion, it's already happening. ~ 45,000 people are estimated to die every year because they lack health insurance-

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...hey-lack-insurance----heres-why-hes-wrong.php

Of course, if it's what Mitt believes, it couldn't possibly be wrong, could it?

 

[werepossum]

The reason I am convinced that Obama and his cabinet are not in the least involved in this is quite simple. I can't see any gain they would could possibly get by going after these groups like this. None. Obama is smart enough to know that the right wing is absolutely frothing at the mouth to gin up a scandal against him. They have been at non-stop before his first election and have accelerated their scandal gin machine since. Why in the world would he serve up a scandal on a silver platter? How does it help him (in any way) to mess around with the Tea Partiers? So unless and until concrete evidence is provided tying Obama and his cabinet, it is very bad taste to imply that his fingerprints are on this mess.

Never liked the IRS myself and that was long before Obama. It will be nice to see them get their comeuppance (at least the people involved in this mess). It would also be nice to see some of these political groups (both left and right) that are posing as charitable organizations dragged out into the light and possibly civilly charged.

Obama had a great deal to gain from the IRS' behavior. At the very least, by denying equal rights to conservative groups he could use untaxed dollars to counter after-tax dollars. And by obtaining donor lists and then passing those lists to left wing hit groups, he could discourage donations to right wing advocacy groups. If you know your name is going to be smeared, your personal and business taxes endlessly audited, your business given special interest by the Department of Labor, EPA, etc. there's a great disincentive to conservative groups and an incentive to donate to liberal groups, to buy a measure of protection.

Nonetheless I doubt Obama was personally involved. Right before this started Obama gave out his hit list of major Republican donors, falsely calling them criminals. This should have been enough to encourage progressives within government to begin using government as a political tool without direct involvement from Obama. After Watergate, plausible deniability is understood to be quite important (especially for something that would quite clearly be an impeachable offense) and I doubt that Obama would be that stupid. Then again, I thought that of Fast and Furious and Obama proved me wrong, so I suppose we'll see.

I find Jhnnn's arguments generally well thought out, and easily understood.

I disagree, with you Werepossum, that at the end of the day, mediocrity, or shades of Gray are what the political person wants. The political person wants the best for his Country, and his Governement.

Jhnnn, obviously wants the best for his Country and Government.... you, however seem to be happy to debate endlessly, for whatever flavor of Government, you agree/disagree with at the moment. At least Jhnnn has a position and takes a stand.

-John

If you find this

If you think that Inconsequential & his fellow travelers wouldn't let people starve & freeze to death or die from lack of care in adherence to their ideological purity, you're delusional. Killing people is killing people, no matter the ends used to achieve it.

to be "generally well thought out" then frankly I have no response. It certainly is easily understood - he has a burning hatred for conservatives - I just don't find it commendable.

I too want the best for my country and government. I just don't believe that any one party, including third parties, has policies which are uniformly best. Therefore I have a lot of positions, not just one, and I'm cursed with being able to see the other side's valid points on almost every one. For those who believe there's nothing in the middle of the road but moderates and dead skunks, enjoy your life. At least you won't have to burn brain cells looking at issues, you can simply wait to be told what to think.

 

[ivwshane]

Obama had a great deal to gain from the IRS' behavior. At the very least, by denying equal rights to conservative groups he could use untaxed dollars to counter after-tax dollars. And by obtaining donor lists and then passing those lists to left wing hit groups, he could discourage donations to right wing advocacy groups. If you know your name is going to be smeared, your personal and business taxes endlessly audited, your business given special interest by the Department of Labor, EPA, etc. there's a great disincentive to conservative groups and an incentive to donate to liberal groups, to buy a measure of protection.

Nonetheless I doubt Obama was personally involved. Right before this started Obama gave out his hit list of major Republican donors, falsely calling them criminals. This should have been enough to encourage progressives within government to begin using government as a political tool without direct involvement from Obama. After Watergate, plausible deniability is understood to be quite important (especially for something that would quite clearly be an impeachable offense) and I doubt that Obama would be that stupid. Then again, I thought that of Fast and Furious and Obama proved me wrong, so I suppose we'll see.


If you find this

to be "generally well thought out" then frankly I have no response. It certainly is easily understood - he has a burning hatred for conservatives - I just don't find it commendable.

I too want the best for my country and government. I just don't believe that any one party, including third parties, has policies which are uniformly best. Therefore I have a lot of positions, not just one, and I'm cursed with being able to see the other side's valid points on almost every one. For those who believe there's nothing in the middle of the road but moderates and dead skunks, enjoy your life. At least you won't have to burn brain cells looking at issues, you can simply wait to be told what to think.

Holy shit you've gone mental!


How many groups were denied? What was the longest wait these groups has to wait? And this was all in preparation for an elect that was two years away?

Get back on your meds, you sound EXACTLY like anarchist.

 

[werepossum]

Holy shit you've gone mental!


How many groups were denied? What was the longest wait these groups has to wait? And this was all in preparation for an elect that was two years away?

Get back on your meds, you sound EXACTLY like anarchist.

That's okay, I understand your position perfectly. It was done to conservatives by a Democrat administration; therefore it is good government by definition. I seriously doubt however that you could articulate a non-nonsensical reason as to why this was done.

 

[ivwshane]

That's okay, I understand your position perfectly. It was done to conservatives by a Democrat administration; therefore it is good government by definition. I seriously doubt however that you could articulate a non-nonsensical reason as to why this was done.

You tell yourself what ever you want because no matter how many times someone on the "left" tells you their position you are going to make up what ever shit you want to keep from popping the bubble you live in.

 

[werepossum]

You tell yourself what ever you want because no matter how many times someone on the "left" tells you their position you are going to make up what ever shit you want to keep from popping the bubble you live in.

Why on Earth would anyone on the left have to tell me their position? It's always the same: We are morally correct no matter what we do.

 

[ivwshane]

Why on Earth would anyone on the left have to tell me their position? It's always the same: We are morally correct no matter what we do.

Thanks for making my point!

 

[bshole]

Nonetheless I doubt Obama was personally involved.

Well then, this whole thread is kind of pointless then isn't it?

In other news and this is very juicy....

In a letter to committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., highlights the testimony of an IRS manager in Cincinnati who oversaw the screening process for tax-exempt groups. In his testimony, the IRS manager, who identifies himself as a "conservative Republican," told committee staff members that he had no reason to believe the White House was involved in the targeting scandal, and that he did not believe the targeting was motivated by a political bias against conservatives.


In his letter, Cummings told Issa that his "extreme accusations" of Washington's involvement in the IRS scandal were "unsubstantiated," and that he had "damaged" the credibility of the oversight committee.


"Your approach in all of these cases has been to accuse first, and then go in search of evidence to back up your claims," Cummings wrote. "Rather than apologizing or correcting the record when the evidence does not fit your narrative, you have selectively leaked excerpts of interview transcripts, documents, and other information, and you have withheld evidence that directly contradicts your claims, is exculpatory, or provides a more complete and fair understanding of the facts."

Appearing Sunday on "Face the Nation," Cummings argued that Issa "has a tendency to make strong allegations and then go chasing the facts and usually never finding them.

So it apears that we were both right.... OBAMA not involved. However, it is funny to see a Republican going into scandal gin mode called out on it.

 

[shadow9d9]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it must be a duck. The entire government is just as corrupt as the IRS. This is why we should cut back the funding of all government agencies. Abolish the Gestoppo (Home land Security)!

The Government is the enemy and you are the target!

I haven't seen any evidence that the IRS did anything wrong.. these groups were and are more likely to push politics against the rules of the tax exempt status.

You are the enemy.

 

[shadow9d9]

Why on Earth would anyone on the left have to tell me their position? It's always the same: We are morally correct no matter what we do.

Because you can't be expected to be taken seriously if you make up a position that doesn't exist for a group of people(the left) that doesn't exist.