Exploding IRS scandal.

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Jhhnn

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According to a House Ways and Means Committee source

Just stop right there. You realize that you're being manipulated via information control, I hope.

Apparently not. Issa hoards testimony while arranging "leaks" in yet another contrived scandal. All too many people dance to his tune as if it weren't a scam.

When you link to a professional right wing mouthpiece who quotes an anonymous source, You seem to be able to grant it some sort of credibility it doesn't deserve, something more than malicious gossip.

While the allegations may or may not be true, Issa's game only obfuscates the facts to serve his agenda of pandering.

Apparently, he's pandering to you. Doesn't that bother you, that you're letting yourself be manipulated because you're always listening for what you want to hear, and to believe in?
 

ivwshane

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Just stop right there. You realize that you're being manipulated via information control, I hope.

Apparently not. Issa hoards testimony while arranging "leaks" in yet another contrived scandal. All too many people dance to his tune as if it weren't a scam.

When you link to a professional right wing mouthpiece who quotes an anonymous source, You seem to be able to grant it some sort of credibility it doesn't deserve, something more than malicious gossip.

While the allegations may or may not be true, Issa's game only obfuscates the facts to serve his agenda of pandering.

Apparently, he's pandering to you. Doesn't that bother you, that you're letting yourself be manipulated because you're always listening for what you want to hear, and to believe in?


If the pandering reinforces what he believes or wants to believe then why would he care if he's being manipulated? So long as his bubble is reinforced with crap he wants to be true he has no reason to change or question what he reads. To him your non believing ass is the problem not his.
 

monovillage

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If the pandering reinforces what he believes or wants to believe then why would he care if he's being manipulated? So long as his bubble is reinforced with crap he wants to be true he has no reason to change or question what he reads. To him your non believing ass is the problem not his.

Part of the link contained sworn testimony. You are another tool that thinks the partisan use of the IRS is perfectly fine as long as it's used against your own and this administrations enemies. It's short sighted and stupid to support this abuse of citizen groups by the IRS, but pretty much par for your course.
 

ivwshane

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Part of the link contained sworn testimony. You are another tool that thinks the partisan use of the IRS is perfectly fine as long as it's used against your own and this administrations enemies. It's short sighted and stupid to support this abuse of citizen groups by the IRS, but pretty much par for your course.

Lol! Yeah because I've said that! /s

Of course you want to believe I said that and you want to believe that that is how I think but reality and the bubble you live in don't look anything alike.

But if it makes you sleep better then believe whatever you like because your opinions hold so little water.
 

kage69

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You can't make this shit up folks! Congress are the ones responsible for this mess and that was ten years ago!

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/11/boehner_inadvertently_helped_start_irs_scandal_13_years_ago/

Both parties are to blame for the passage of the short sided bill but it's funny to hear those complaining of a scandal were part of the reason this issue was even a problem in the first place!


I'm really tired of the GOP and it's playing of both sides of issues all the while acting like a self-righteous victim. Gotta love these politicians and their loopholes.
 

monovillage

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Yes, it's the Republicans fault that the IRS and this Democrat administration are illegally using laws to persecute conservatives and Israel supporters.

If the Republicans just hadn't tried to pass oversight laws this may have never happened.
 

ivwshane

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Yes, it's the Republicans fault that the IRS and this Democrat administration are illegally using laws to persecute conservatives and Israel supporters.

If the Republicans just hadn't tried to pass oversight laws this may have never happened.

Lol! Still sticking with this story?

Lol Benghazi!
 

exdeath

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Oh I thought someone said exploding IRS
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Is this thing still wet smoldering ash or has anything real actually "exploded" out of this "scandal" since this thread was started.
 

Jhhnn

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Is this thing still wet smoldering ash or has anything real actually "exploded" out of this "scandal" since this thread was started.

The gaseous stench from Issa's bunghole never changes. He just fingers it to make it sound different. Righties love whatever tune he's playing.

Come quick, Honey! He's playing our song!
 

ivwshane

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The IRS is a division of the Treasury and it's part of the Executive branch. I knew you were a fucking ignorant hillbilly, but i thought even an retard like you knew it.
http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Come on now, don't be disingenuous. You are claiming the IRS was illegally targeting conservative and pro Israeli groups. Just because a government agency falls under the executive branch doesn't mean there was any directive from this "democratic administration" and you certainly can't provide any evidence of it. At best this supposed scandal (which as I've already shown to you was a law passed by congress) happened under Obams watch (and was done under a Bush appointee).


Of course I didn't expect anything less from you than a complete bullshit answer that didn't back up your claim.

Your son, incorruptible would be proud;)
 
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monovillage

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Come on now, don't be disingenuous. You are claiming the IRS was illegally targeting conservative and pro Israeli groups. Just because a government agency falls under the executive branch doesn't mean there was any directive from this "democratic administration" and you certainly can't provide any evidence of it. At best this supposed scandal (which as I've already shown to you was a law passed by congress) happened under Obams watch (and was done under a Bush appointee).


Of course I didn't expect anything less from you than a complete bullshit answer that didn't back up your claim.

Your son, incorruptible would be proud;)

Bullshit, you're a liar since the IRS has already confessed to targeting conservative groups. Try to read the links, try to read where this isn't even in dispute except by the fringe Obama ass kissers like yourself.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...for_targeting_conservative_groups_118364.html

WASHINGTON — Lois Lerner, head of the Internal Revenue Service that oversees tax-exempt groups, apologized today for the IRS inappropriately flagging conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

Not even in dispute.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/politics/irs-targeting
Democratic Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts warned that a failure by the IRS to be more cooperative would lead to a special prosecutor, adding that "there will be hell to pay if that is the route we chose to go down."

I'm still waiting for that special prosecutor.
 

Thump553

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Interesting revelation in this morning's newspaper-the IRS also targeted organizations with "progressive" or "occupy" (as in occupy wall street) in their title. In other words the IRS was attempting to ferret out political organizations scamming their way into privileged tax status. The shame of it all.

Lets see how much the MSM/corporate media makes of this, or if Fox News even mentions it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/12/us-usa-tax-teaparty-idUSBRE96B0FJ20130712
 

ivwshane

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Bullshit, you're a liar since the IRS has already confessed to targeting conservative groups. Try to read the links, try to read where this isn't even in dispute except by the fringe Obama ass kissers like yourself.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...for_targeting_conservative_groups_118364.html



Not even in dispute.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/politics/irs-targeting


I'm still waiting for that special prosecutor.

Still not backing up your claim. You said the administration was involved, they were not. Keep lying.

Oh and we are still waiting for the illegal part;)
 
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Interesting revelation in this morning's newspaper-the IRS also targeted organizations with "progressive" or "occupy" (as in occupy wall street) in their title. In other words the IRS was attempting to ferret out political organizations scamming their way into privileged tax status. The shame of it all.

Lets see how much the MSM/corporate media makes of this, or if Fox News even mentions it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/12/us-usa-tax-teaparty-idUSBRE96B0FJ20130712

It was nowhere near the same amount of scrutiny. The IRS asked Tea Party groups for a list of all members, books that were read, prayers and so much more to delay their tax exempt status. The Tea Party was attacked much more viciously than the progressive groups. The progressives/liberals support the attacks on the Tea Party so they got what they deserved.
 
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It was nowhere near the same amount of scrutiny. The IRS asked Tea Party groups for a list of all members, books that were read, prayers and so much more to delay their tax exempt status. The Tea Party was attacked much more viciously than the progressive groups. The progressives/liberals support the attacks on the Tea Party so they got what they deserved.

Do you have any proof to back this up, particularly the bolded?
 

Jhhnn

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Persection complex hearsay is not evidence. Even if true, that doesn't mean that the same thing didn't apply to Occupy groups, does it?

The most telling part of the usual circular reasoning-

They were asking for the names of the donors, which is exactly the opposite of what we were looking for because if people knew their names would be made public or known to the government, they stop giving,

Blatantly political groups must, by law, reveal the names of their donors, no matter how badly Tea Twits want to conceal the big money driving their so called "Grassroots".

Or, wanting something to be true doesn't mean that it is, except in the realm of truthiness.
 

monovillage

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The IRS scandal was connected this week not just to the Washington office—that had been established—but to the office of the chief counsel.

Still, what landed was a bombshell. And Democrats know it. Which is why they are so desperate to make the investigation go away. They know, as Republicans do, that the chief counsel of the IRS is one of only two Obama political appointees in the entire agency.

To quickly review why the new information, which came most succinctly in a nine-page congressional letter to IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel, is big news: When the scandal broke two months ago, in May, IRS leadership in Washington claimed the harassment of tea-party and other conservative groups requesting tax-exempt status was confined to the Cincinnati office, where a few rogue workers bungled the application process. Lois Lerner, then the head of the exempt organizations unit in Washington, said "line people in Cincinnati" did work that was "not so fine." They asked questions that "weren't really necessary," she claimed, and operated without "the appropriate level of sensitivity." But the targeting was "not intentional." Ousted acting commissioner Steven Miller also put it off on "people in Cincinnati." They provided "horrible customer service."

House investigators soon talked to workers in the Cincinnati office, who said everything they did came from Washington. Elizabeth Hofacre, in charge of processing tea-party applications in Cincinnati, told investigators that her work was overseen and directed by a lawyer in the IRS Washington office named Carter Hull.

Now comes Mr. Hull's testimony. And like Ms. Hofacre, he pointed his finger upward. Mr. Hull—a 48-year IRS veteran and an expert on tax exemption law—told investigators that tea-party applications under his review were sent upstairs within the Washington office, at the direction of Lois Lerner.

In April 2010, Hull was assigned to scrutinize certain tea-party applications. He requested more information from the groups. After he received responses, he felt he knew enough to determine whether the applications should be approved or denied.

But his recommendations were not carried out.Michael Seto, head of Mr. Hull's unit, also spoke to investigators. He told them Lois Lerner made an unusual decision: Tea-party applications would undergo additional scrutiny—a multilayered review.

Mr. Hull told House investigators that at some point in the winter of 2010-11, Ms. Lerner's senior adviser, whose name is withheld in the publicly released partial interview transcript, told him the applications would require further review:

Q: "Did [the senior adviser to Ms. Lerner] indicate to you whether she agreed with your recommendations?"

A: "She did not say whether she agreed or not. She said it should go to chief counsel."

Q: "The IRS chief counsel?"

A: "The IRS chief counsel."

The IRS chief counsel is named William Wilkins. And again, he is one of only two Obama political appointees in the IRS.

At the generally lacking House Oversight Committee Hearings on Thursday, some big things still got said.

Ms. Hofacre of the Cincinnati office testified that when she was given tea-party applications, she had to kick them upstairs. When she was given non-tea-party applications, they were sent on for normal treatment. Was she told to send liberal or progressive groups for special scrutiny? No, she did not scrutinize the applications of liberal or progressive groups. "I would send those to general inventory." Who got extra scrutiny? "They were all tea-party and patriot cases." She became "very frustrated" by the "micromanagement" from Washington. "It was like working in lost luggage." She applied to be transferred.

For his part, Mr. Hull backed up what he'd told House investigators. He described what was, essentially, a big, lengthy runaround in the Washington office in which no one was clear as to their reasons but everything was delayed. The multitiered scrutiny of the targeted groups was, he said, "unusual."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...8614220949743916.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
 

Bowfinger

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"Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies ..."

Yawn, another Peggy "Lying for the GOP for 30 years" Noonan op-ed. While your hard-on for her is sweet, the rest of us figured out long ago that she is a shameless propagandist. Let us know when this is reported by a credible source, or better yet when full transcripts are released so we can see all the full story ... including whatever new information Issa is suppressing.