Exploding IRS scandal.

[Schmide]

Why not? Isn't he the President of the United States and the asshole in charge of the IRS ?

No that would be the Senate Finance Subcommittee dude.

 

[monovillage]

No that would be the Senate Finance Subcommittee dude.

Guess again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Treasury

 

[Fern]

No that would be the Senate Finance Subcommittee dude.

Seriously?

Bwuhahaha

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

Ooh did I miss it? Do we now have evidence that the white house was involved?!

 

[monovillage]

Ooh did I miss it? Do we now have evidence that the white house was involved?!

I checked and that's where the buck stopped.

 

[BlueWolf47]

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Internal Revenue Service's screening of groups seeking tax-exempt status was broader and lasted longer than has been previously disclosed, the new head of the agency said Monday.

An internal IRS document obtained by The Associated Press said that besides "tea party," lists used by screeners to pick groups for close examination also included the terms "Israel," ''Progressive" and "Occupy." The document said an investigation into why specific terms were included was still underway.

In a conference call with reporters, Danny Werfel said that after becoming acting IRS chief last month, he discovered wide-ranging and improper terms on the lists and said screeners were still using them. He did not specify what terms were on the lists, but said he suspended the use of all such lists immediately.

"There was a wide-ranging set of categories and cases that spanned a broad spectrum" on the lists, Werfel said. He added that his aides found those lists contained "inappropriate criteria that was in use

." - AP News

No wander Issa has been hoarding those transcripts.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I checked and that's where the buck stopped.

Are you really this dumb or just trying to provide us with some entertainment this evening?

 

[Fern]

." - AP News

No wander Issa has been hoarding those transcripts.

The IRS was long ago asked for a list of the groups targeted by this.

Their deadline was last month IIRC.

Many of us have been waiting for that info to see whether or not the targeting was focused on only conservative groups or not.

It's the IRS's fault it has not yet provided it. They could do much to clear this up.

BTW: If you've read the IG's report, the IRS recognized they had a problem here and changed the wording several times as to whom should be targeted. Some descriptions were never really implement, some only for a very brief period.

Before anyone gets too excited about the disclosure of an exculpatory "internal IRS document" I'd suggest waiting to see who the IRS officially lists as actually among those targeted. At present the best info suggests 300 - 1, conservative to liberal groups. We'll see what is actually was, assuming of course that the IRS provides the info.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Why not? Isn't he the President of the United States and the asshole in charge of the IRS ?

Although the President is nominally in charge of all the executive branch, I think you have to give him a pass as long as he didn't actually order it and ends it as soon as it is officially brought to his attention. His is the overall responsibility, but that doesn't mean he can or should be held accountable for everything these people do before he learns of it.

." - AP News

No wander Issa has been hoarding those transcripts.

Considering that dozens of liberal and progressive groups' petitions were approved in four to eighteen months each whereas only four conservative groups' petitions (which were much more numerous during the same period) were approved over a twenty-seven month period, not to mention the total lack of any confidential information from liberals being linked to conservative groups, let me be the first to call bullshit on this.

 

[monovillage]

Are you really this dumb or just trying to provide us with some entertainment this evening?

You're another one that thinks the Senate subcommittee must be in charge of the IRS.

 

[monovillage]

Although the President is nominally in charge of all the executive branch, I think you have to give him a pass as long as he didn't actually order it and ends it as soon as it is officially brought to his attention. His is the overall responsibility, but that doesn't mean he can or should be held accountable for everything these people do before he learns of it.

I disagree, it's my opinion that there's no way that Obama or the people in his administration could be unaware that this was happening over the course of 3 years or so. Obama bears ultimate responsibility for the actions of his administration, especially if he does nothing to change it once he has been made aware of problems.

 

[berzerker60]

I disagree, it's my opinion that there's no way that Obama or the people in his administration could be unaware that this was happening over the course of 3 years or so. Obama bears ultimate responsibility for the actions of his administration, especially if he does nothing to change it once he has been made aware of problems.

So George Bush II is responsible for the Valerie Plame leak? And for 9/11 since it was his executive branch's intelligence agencies that failed?

 

[BlueWolf47]

You're another one that thinks the Senate subcommittee must be in charge of the IRS.

You mean the subcommittee titled the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Taxation and IRS Oversight ?

 

[werepossum]

I disagree, it's my opinion that there's no way that Obama or the people in his administration could be unaware that this was happening over the course of 3 years or so. Obama bears ultimate responsibility for the actions of his administration, especially if he does nothing to change it once he has been made aware of problems.

I'm sure they knew to some degree that it was going on, but they don't have to take notice of it until they are officially notified or officially made aware. No politician is going to go chasing rumors of something that hampers his opposition just because it might be the right thing to do; they are going to giggle about it between themselves until they've lost that plausible deniability. If Obama didn't change it or at least begin investigating it once he was officially made aware of it, then it would be a problem. Until then there is no way to know how much (if anything) Obama knew, so there is no way to hold him accountable. Otherwise we'd have to assume that every President knows every policy being enforced in his name.

 

[werepossum]

You mean the subcommittee titled the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Taxation and IRS Oversight ?

Congratulations. You have discovered the Senate subcommittee charged with overseeing the executive branch's operation of the IRS and taxation. Now you can go straight forward to blaming cops for crime.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Congratulations. You have discovered the Senate subcommittee charged with overseeing the executive branch's operation of the IRS and taxation. Now you can go straight forward to blaming cops for crime.

The executive branch does not operate the IRS. It acts independently and because of past abuses it has been repeatedly reorganized so that it cant be influenced by the office of the president.

 

[werepossum]

The executive branch does not operate the IRS. It acts independently and because of past abuses it has been repeatedly reorganized so that it cant be influenced by the office of the president.

Perhaps you should share your wondrous knowledge with the Messiah, since he seems to think he runs it.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...nnounces-resignation-of-acting-irs-chief?lite

"I'll do everything in my power to make sure that nothing like this ever happens again, by holding the responsible parties accountable, by putting in place new checks and new safeguards, and, going forward, my making sure the law is applied as it should be — in a fair and impartial way," Obama said.

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ah...-ive-directed-secretary-lew-to-hold-those-res

More from Obama on IRS: 'I've directed Secretary Lew to hold those responsible for these failures accountable, and to make sure that each of the Inspector General's recommendations are implemented quickly, so that such conduct never happens again' - from statement via @NBCNews

Why, when people are asking if Obama directed the IRS to block conservative groups from not-for-profit status, all Obama has to do is point out that he cannot do that since they are an independent branch of government only supervised by Congress. Specifically, Republicans in Congress. Too bad no one on his staff is as smart and well-versed in government as are you.

Dumbass.

 

[BlueWolf47]

The executive branch works with the OMB which secretary Lew is head of. This is specifically an oversight and budget committee. It doesn't tell the IRS how to operate but it does provide some oversight. But its main purpose is to work with the IRS to predict revenue and expenditures when constructing the federal budget.

 

[werepossum]

The executive branch works with the OMB which secretary Lew is head of. This is specifically an oversight and budget committee. It doesn't tell the IRS how to operate but it does provide some oversight. But its main purpose is to work with the IRS to predict revenue and expenditures when constructing the federal budget.

As I said, pass your wisdom to Obama.

 

[BlueWolf47]

As I said, pass your wisdom to Obama.

I'm going to go ahead and leave you to your pervasive paranoia. Its clear you have a simplistic mind that operates outside the constraints of reality.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

So mono...how's that scandal working for you,, LOL?

You know...the one where you were lied to by the GOP, shown altered documents, and where the GOP withheld all that info about how liberal groups were targeted as well? Oops, talk about being completely and utterly wrong (yet again)

You ever going to stop blindly repeating drudge? Or Hannity? Or whichever shill you listen too? LOL

 

[monovillage]

I'm sure they knew to some degree that it was going on, but they don't have to take notice of it until they are officially notified or officially made aware. No politician is going to go chasing rumors of something that hampers his opposition just because it might be the right thing to do; they are going to giggle about it between themselves until they've lost that plausible deniability. If Obama didn't change it or at least begin investigating it once he was officially made aware of it, then it would be a problem. Until then there is no way to know how much (if anything) Obama knew, so there is no way to hold him accountable. Otherwise we'd have to assume that every President knows every policy being enforced in his name.

Although there are a few things i agree with you here there seems to be a consensus among our more partisan Democrat posters that unless there's an Obama confession, signed in blood and witnessed by the Supreme Court that he cannot be held accountable for anything that happened during his administration. Obama has taken the old Kennedy/CIA trick of plausible deniability and stretched it into ridiculous dimensions. He's the Commander-in-chief, he's the boss, he's the Captain of this administration and all successes and failures are his responsibility in the end.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
for those that don't know it.

 

[werepossum]

I'm going to go ahead and leave you to your pervasive paranoia. Its clear you have a simplistic mind that operates outside the constraints of reality.

Um, okay. Just note that Obama has an equally "simplistic mind that operates outside the constraints of reality", since he's all about directing the IRS to fix this mess.

Although there are a few things i agree with you here there seems to be a consensus among our more partisan Democrat posters that unless there's an Obama confession, signed in blood and witnessed by the Supreme Court that he cannot be held accountable for anything that happened during his administration. Obama has taken the old Kennedy/CIA trick of plausible deniability and stretched it into ridiculous dimensions. He's the Commander-in-chief, he's the boss, he's the Captain of this administration and all successes and failures are his responsibility in the end.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
for those that don't know it.

Oh, they'll never accept even an Obama confession signed in blood and witnessed by the Supreme Court. At that point the narrative becomes that of course he directed the IRS to block conservative groups, that's what he's supposed to do. If one starts with the utter certainty that Republicans are evil then anything and everything done to oppose them is by definition good.

 

[Jhhnn]

Before anyone gets too excited about the disclosure of an exculpatory "internal IRS document" I'd suggest waiting to see who the IRS officially lists as actually among those targeted. At present the best info suggests 300 - 1, conservative to liberal groups. We'll see what is actually was, assuming of course that the IRS provides the info.

Your "best info" obviously originates with Issa, right?

The man cries wolf at a professional level, but the usual suspects still believe him. I suppose that's based on the principle that even a blind squirrel finds a few acorns, right?

 

[monovillage]

Oh, they'll never accept even an Obama confession signed in blood and witnessed by the Supreme Court. At that point the narrative becomes that of course he directed the IRS to block conservative groups, that's what he's supposed to do. If one starts with the utter certainty that Republicans are evil then anything and everything done to oppose them is by definition good.

It's very short sighted to think that the next Republican administration won't use this type of tactic for their own political ends. Any tactic that is successfully used by one side in a conflict will sooner or later be used by the other side. The time to constrain such abuses is always now, right now, as soon as they are revealed.

I may be a partisan Republican, but it isn't because i'm in love with Republicans, it's because I think that Democrats are just worse.