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Explain to me why too little refrigerant is a bad thing?

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fleabag said:
Wrong. I'm an expert when it comes to tire inflation which is what got me the job at the gas station around the corner. They specifically mentioned in the newspaper listing "looking for expert at tire inflation and all things related to fuel economy and those who know more than some Korean engineers at Hyundai/Kia"...so I responded and got the job.
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What is the name and where is this gas station? I want to know which one to avoid.

If i inflated my tires to sidewall, which is 51psi, I'd be bouncing down the road and near imposible to control.
 
dawp said:
What is the name and where is this gas station? I want to know which one to avoid.

If i inflated my tires to sidewall, which is 51psi, I'd be bouncing down the road and near imposible to control.
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Conjecture.

or at best, exaggeration...
 
jeanclaude said:
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One last time. A SAMPLE SIZE OF (N=1) and a SINGLE observation hardly constitutes significant enough proof to overturn a conclusion / recommendation based on large scale analysis conducted with multiple groups, over time, and in a variety of conditions.

Your ability to fail continues unabated.
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What you fail to understand is fleatard is like god, free to create or negate laws of physics to fit his whim, hence his sample size of 1 is more than sufficient.
 
dawp said:
no, it isn't. that is what is on my sidewalls and the recommended is 29 all around. If I inflated to that level, it be like driving around on balloons.
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Ignore him.

He is throwing a tantrum. waaaaa... no one takes me seriously....
Pout pout troll troll.
 
jeanclaude said:
And he wont (actually cant) because it is part of his tantrum ritual. He tries to make teh flea-funny on his way out. ha ha - me employee at a station. ha ha.
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ya, I kinda figured that was the case since hiring on just that criteria is just unreal.
 
Under-inflated A/C? No that won't do. Find out the burst pressure on one of the fittings and just fill it to that pressure. It has to be safe.
 
I would really love to give this guy a great thermodynamics lesson.
Quite frankly i dont think he would know what half the symbols are.

On another note. Compressors are designed to run in a "sweet spot". You ever see an air compressor hooked to a freak drive? There is a reason for that. You also realize that putting an under drive pulley on your compressor wont do anything? There is a clutch on there that regulates the speed on the compressor. The engine RPM is WAY higher than what the compressor runs at..

You are correct in that the temp will go lower on the cold side. Of course it will go so low that it will ice. How is the little blower on your car going to blow though a giant block of ice in the heater/ac box?

Of course.. You already knew these things.
 
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dawp said:
no, it isn't. that is what is on my sidewalls and the recommended is 29 all around. If I inflated to that level, it be like driving around on balloons.
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Again, conjecture. You have no fucking idea what it would do because you've never tried it. I understand that 51psi is the sidewall rating of your tire, but it doesn't guarantee that the ride will be like "riding around on balloons". I've taken my dad's truck to 51psi and while it became a little more tipsy (taking sharp turns at 25mph+ is never a good idea anyway), it was overall ok. Additionally, the ride got quieter, harshness didn't change and I got 3mpg AVG better fuel economy as a result.
 
jaha2000 said:
I would really love to give this guy a great thermodynamics lesson.
Quite frankly i dont think he would know what half the symbols are.

On another note. Compressors are designed to run in a "sweet spot". You ever see an air compressor hooked to a freak drive? There is a reason for that. You also realize that putting an under drive pulley on your compressor wont do anything? There is a clutch on there that regulates the speed on the compressor. The engine RPM is WAY higher than what the compressor runs at..

You are correct in that the temp will go lower on the cold side. Of course it will go so low that it will ice. How is the little blower on your car going to blow though a giant block of ice in the heater/ac box?

Of course.. You already knew these things.
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Bold: If that is true, then running at a higher engine RPM should have no effect on the efficiency and or output of the A/C. So which is it? Does the A/C output the exact same at idle compared to 3500RPM? I don't think so.... Also I thought the clutch just engages and disengages, that on the A/C there is no in between because as most people put it, there is a "sweet spot". Also running a clutch partially engaged doesn't seem like such a good idea as it could overheat, though that IS conjecture so maybe someone can point out how this wouldn't be an issue.
 
fleabag said:
Bold: If that is true, then running at a higher engine RPM should have no effect on the efficiency and or output of the A/C. So which is it? Does the A/C output the exact same at idle compared to 3500RPM? I don't think so.... Also I thought the clutch just engages and disengages, that on the A/C there is no in between because as most people put it, there is a "sweet spot". Also running a clutch partially engaged doesn't seem like such a good idea as it could overheat, though that IS conjecture so maybe someone can point out how this wouldn't be an issue.
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shut the fuck up now you tool
 
dawp said:
and he still hasn't said what station he works at.
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I was able to find it with my uber-google skillz!

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There is a clutch on there that regulates the speed on the compressor.
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After reading this thread I'm convinced once again that fleabag is a professional troll, but I must correct you and side with fleabag on this.

The clutch in automotive A/C does not control the rpm of the compressor, it cycles the compressor on and off in response to the pressures in the system. Because the speed of the motor in the car is of course variable, this is how it is dealt with in cars. Household and commercial A/C has a motor that is of course run at a fixed rpm.

Engaging and disengaging the compressor keeps the system pressures within a range to provide proper cooling without the pressures being too high or too low.

There was a time period many years back where there were variable displacement compressors. They did not need to cycle on and off. Their reliability was poor so they were dropped. They may have solved those problems however and they may be back in use, but I truly don't know if that's the case.
 
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fleabag said:
Again, conjecture. You have no fucking idea what it would do because you've never tried it. I understand that 51psi is the sidewall rating of your tire, but it doesn't guarantee that the ride will be like "riding around on balloons". I've taken my dad's truck to 51psi and while it became a little more tipsy (taking sharp turns at 25mph+ is never a good idea anyway), it was overall ok. Additionally, the ride got quieter, harshness didn't change and I got 3mpg AVG better fuel economy as a result.
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<snip> conjecture
teh Failbag has discovered another big boy word !

I have no clue what a knife wound in the abdomen would feel like but I am pretty sure that it would uncomfortable and potentially dangerous to my overall health. Is that also conjecture? or perhaps some kind of inductive / deductive logic thing based on life experience.

You consistently toss out compete crap based on no actual experience other than your own and ask us to regard it as informed and valuable. Contra empirical testing and analysis.

But when someone speculates that over inflation might feel like "riding around on balloons" (note the LIKE) you jump on his use of figurative language to describe an abstracted hypothetical experience?

your depths of stupid contrast FAIL have hit a new low level.

Comparing apples and hammers.

The tantrum is clearly continuing. Ask mommy for a juice-box and go take a nap.

You want a causation correlation example? Your tantrums leading to even worse fail posts.
 
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fleabag said:
Bold: If that is true, then running at a higher engine RPM should have no effect on the efficiency and or output of the A/C. So which is it? Does the A/C output the exact same at idle compared to 3500RPM? I don't think so.... Also I thought the clutch just engages and disengages, that on the A/C there is no in between because as most people put it, there is a "sweet spot". Also running a clutch partially engaged doesn't seem like such a good idea as it could overheat, though that IS conjecture so maybe someone can point out how this wouldn't be an issue.
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It works better when you are moving, that has nothing to do with engine speed. It has to do with the air flow over the coil in the front of your car. Or if your car sucks, the blower blows harder at higher RPM cause the alternator cant supply enough juice at idle to the blower. SO to answer your efficiency question it does, but not for the reason you stated.
 
boomerang said:
After reading this thread I'm convinced once again that fleabag is a professional troll, but I must correct you and side with fleabag on this.

The clutch in automotive A/C does not control the rpm of the compressor, it cycles the compressor on and off in response to the pressures in the system. Because the speed of the motor in the car is of course variable, this is how it is dealt with in cars. Household and commercial A/C has a motor that is of course run at a fixed rpm.

Engaging and disengaging the compressor keeps the system pressures within a range to provide proper cooling without the pressures being too high or too low.

There was a time period many years back where there were variable displacement compressors. They did not need to cycle on and off. Their reliability was poor so they were dropped. They may have solved those problems however and they may be back in use, but I truly don't know if that's the case.
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True, i would assume fleabag could not understand how often such an even would happen.
The clutches are electromagnetic after all
 
jeanclaude said:
<snip> conjecture
teh Failbag has discovered another big boy word !

I have no clue what a knife wound in the abdomen would feel like but I am pretty sure that it would uncomfortable and potentially dangerous to my overall health. Is that also conjecture? or perhaps some kind of inductive / deductive logic thing based on life experience.

You consistently toss out compete crap based on no actual experience other than your own and ask us to regard it as informed and valuable. Contra empirical testing and analysis.

But when someone speculates that over inflation might feel like "riding around on balloons" (note the LIKE) you jump on his use of figurative language to describe an abstracted hypothetical experience?

your depths of stupid contrast FAIL have hit a new low level.
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Hey I guess we all have a lot in common! Funny how that works! I'm a hypocrite, you're a hypocrite, this forum is of hypocrites! YAY! ()🙂
 
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