Explain to me why some people are accepting of other religions but not of atheism

[Tweak155]

He may believe what he says, but one thing he doesn't have is certainty. It is certain that 1+1 = 2. It may even be certain that he will never change his opinion about God, but it is not certain that the opinion itself is accurate. He is not certain that the Holy spirit is speaking to him, he is merely very confident. He is strongly opinionated on the matter. He doesn't have to agree with that for it to still be true.

He is a little vague here (not sure if you mean Pray or Sandorski), but Pray is certain God exists just as certain as you are that 1 + 1 = 2 (at least that is what he is indicating). The facts behind each conclusion are irrelevant.

 

[BurnItDwn]

So why are and have always been good scientists which have some religious beliefs? Seems to me that "disparaging critical thinking" would make that impossible.

Yes, sometimes people are capable of critical thinking in general while maintaining a level of superstition. I believe it's achieved by fooling ones self.

Or, it's possible they did not actually believe whatever they supposedly believed, and instead simply tried to "fit in" by claiming a certain set of superstitious beliefs.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

He is a little vague here (not sure if you mean Pray or Sandorski), but Pray is certain God exists just as certain as you are that 1 + 1 = 2 (at least that is what he is indicating). The facts behind each conclusion are irrelevant.

And that's precisely how we can be confident that his conclusions are wrong.

 

[Tweak155]

And that's precisely how we can be confident that his conclusions are wrong.

Not that I'm disagreeing, but what is? I assume you mean the missing facts? I can be certain 1 + 1 = 2 and not be able to explain it to your satisfaction, but that doesn't make me wrong (doesn't make me right either). But on the same token it gives you every right to not believe me.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let him believe whatever he wants to believe. It's his choice.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Just like I don't think there is anything wrong with not believing.

Different strokes for different folks. NEITHER extreme is good.

It was a simple question, to which he didn't provide an answer.

Let's be more direct, because it seems needed.

What specific version of Christianity does someone practice. When you can answer that, then you inherently believe other versions are not correct.

I'm not attempting to change his mind, it was a pretty simple question to which he provided a non-answer. I'm curious as to what specific version PTJ chooses to dive in.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Actually it looks like you don't understand the answer, or you just don't like it. Not understanding or not agreeing with the answer doesn't make it not an answer.

That said, it is a religious one lol

I've heard his answer many times before. it's a roundabout way of saying "I believe what I believe, I don't need to validate it to anyone, or convince anyone I'm right."

Which is ironic, because one part Christianity is about accumulating followers.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Not that I'm disagreeing, but what is? I assume you mean the missing facts? I can be certain 1 + 1 = 2 and not be able to explain it to your satisfaction, but that doesn't make me wrong (doesn't make me right either). But on the same token it gives you every right to not believe me.

Mathematical certainty is in a class of knowledge that is distinct from empirical knowledge. P2J does not acknowledge this distinction, but rather equates his empirical confidence in his alleged knowledge of his god's existence with that of mathematical certainty. This is clearly false. Thus, we can be confident that his conclusions are unsound.

 

[disappoint]

Mathematical certainty is in a class of knowledge that is distinct from empirical knowledge. P2J does not acknowledge this distinction, but rather equates his empirical confidence in his alleged knowledge of his god's existence with that of mathematical certainty. This is clearly false. Thus, we can be confident that his conclusions are unsound.

I'll take a student who believes in God over a student that doesn't believe in math any day of the week. And twice on Sunday.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Christianity stole the entire practice of Christmas from the pagans; the original holiday was to celebrate the winter solstice. Now who's the hypocrite?

They stole Easter too. They stole the life story of Jesus. They stole Joseph and Mary. They stole the resurrection and the Eucharist and the great flood and EVERYTHING else. There's not a single fairy tale in Christianity that's truly original, they're all just stolen from other fairy tales. And what's truly sad is that the Christians who believe in these fairy tales look down on the people who believed in the original fairy tales, Christians view them as heathens and pagans. It's really quite fascinating.

 

[FrankRamiro]

I don't think atheists are smart because I find most of them want to stay ignorant and ignore proof.

Prouve of what?remember 1000 bc before Christ there were people and bet you there was no religion at all,remember also long ago we were like apes and zombies this are the facts,i believe only on science,religion is and always been a method of profit money, money,also remember the religious so called people were the worst kind on the slavery times, in the time of kings they use to go to Africa and take priests leaders with them so they would convince the Africans to work and serve the royal people and themselves through the force,either you join us or you're dead meet and the Cristian people would help the English,Portuguese, french empire and others to take aWay the black Africans people from there own lands and countries to be sold to rich lords in American, Europe to be slaves of those bastards,as you see this was done by the people that are religious believers,so hell if there is one with the religion,and long live the atheism.

 

[sandorski]

Time passes, things change, but 1 + 1 still equals 2. I think that's the level of certainty he is mentioning. I'm not sure you can apply the same rules to beliefs though, it is much harder to do.

Certainty is meaningless when everything else is always telling you that your Belief is incorrect.

 

[Tweak155]

Mathematical certainty is in a class of knowledge that is distinct from empirical knowledge. P2J does not acknowledge this distinction, but rather equates his empirical confidence in his alleged knowledge of his god's existence with that of mathematical certainty. This is clearly false. Thus, we can be confident that his conclusions are unsound.

You seem like you should be able to understand the example, but you're looking too far into it. The reason 1 + 1 = 2 is irrelevant. The fact you know it to be true is what is being compared.

Even if you think pray believes 1 + 1 = 3 and know it to be false, does not change pray's conviction that you yourself are incorrect.

 

[sandorski]

You seem like you should be able to understand the example, but you're looking too far into it. The reason 1 + 1 = 2 is irrelevant. The fact you know it to be true is what is being compared.

Even if you think pray believes 1 + 1 = 3 and know it to be false, does not change pray's conviction that you yourself are incorrect.

The difference is that 1+1=2 is demonstrably True. Whereas 1+1=3 is not.

It takes extra effort to maintain the Belief of 1+1=3. So "Certainty" is always under attack from within, one is constantly trying to ignore what one's senses keep telling them, what others are telling them. Today it is 100%, but eventually one will get weary of the constant reinforcement of the false Belief.

This can be demonstrated rather easily in many Believers, by just discussing a topic of Belief with them. Read any Thread on the subject, watch as Believers are constantly side-stepping issues, sometimes even changing their positions, then returning back to their original positions again later on, constantly using logical fallacies(especially Strawman Arguments). It requires an amazing amount of effort to maintain that Certainty.

It is quite amazing to see, almost admirable, but rather too sad to be admirable.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Certainty is meaningless when everything else is always telling you that your Belief is incorrect.

I only believe on what i see and on what makes sense and what is in the religion books and on the preachers speeches just don't, they only see money money these are the facts,has always been like that, anything is just a guess and fix-on,How can a person say something like,Jesus did resuscitate a human after is dead,transformed roses in bread,made a blind man to see,cross the see walking, you maybe been taught that way so did i but when you start to think for yourself you can start making sense of things and choose the lye or confront with reality,besides we're not in arabian countries where you don't believe their stuff you are death so you have only a choice either follow the lies or shut up,we here have the option of saying what we think.
I compare religion to the Politics,people vote on that party cause is there color even thought they are messing their lives, with raising taxes making our lives miserable, killing our future with no jobs and so on but most folks still gonna vote on them,look how the Pope and his followers in Rome live surrounded with gold opulence and the people have no food on the table all over the world.And the more miserable people are the more they gain cause the weaker of spirit you are the better off they are cause as you see In African these people have no food but they worship the religions,cause they have no brain,and there are those people that hate religion but they want to be in the crowd to be one of them like a good citizen, just like when you don't drink and you want to be in the bar with the crowd.it's just crazy make believe and be a good Samaritan all this is make believe not the truth,besides half the world always been on lies.
With my thoughts and believes i don't preach that someone should not be religious i merely state the greediness and sets of lies that people use religion to hurt people and take their money.

 

[Tweak155]

The difference is that 1+1=2 is demonstrably True. Whereas 1+1=3 is not.

It takes extra effort to maintain the Belief of 1+1=3. So "Certainty" is always under attack from within, one is constantly trying to ignore what one's senses keep telling them, what others are telling them. Today it is 100%, but eventually one will get weary of the constant reinforcement of the false Belief.

This can be demonstrated rather easily in many Believers, by just discussing a topic of Belief with them. Read any Thread on the subject, watch as Believers are constantly side-stepping issues, sometimes even changing their positions, then returning back to their original positions again later on, constantly using logical fallacies(especially Strawman Arguments). It requires an amazing amount of effort to maintain that Certainty.

It is quite amazing to see, almost admirable, but rather too sad to be admirable.

Sigh. I can't use a more simple example. I would list another but you'd likely fall under the same problem of highlighting the difference rather than figuring out the point. The point being pray believes in a god just as much as you know 1 + 1 = 2. The reason why is irrelevant.

 

[sandorski]

Sigh. I can't use a more simple example. I would list another but you'd likely fall under the same problem of highlighting the difference rather than figuring out the point. The point being pray believes in a god just as much as you know 1 + 1 = 2. The reason why is irrelevant.

I know what you mean, I used to think that way. I am just saying that Certainty is irrelevant. People can be Certain of anything, but Certainty in false things is rarely eternal.

 

[aarontpx]

Organized religion is 100% a politcal power grab, and has always been.