Explain to me why does anyone need more than 1 gun?

[TerryMathews]

Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right.

FTFY. Nothing keeps you from driving on your private property without a license, for example.

 

[HumblePie]

Actually 5.56/.223 rounds are not more likely to result in overpenetaration that rounds from a shotgun or handgun and in some cases are actually safer in that regard.

Umm what? Have you not seen the ballistics on frangible rounds?

 

[momeNt]

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Rights are not to be infringed upon unless you are known to be criminal or otherwise incapable of making rational decisions (mental health).

As a responsible civilian, I will not allow myself to be placed into a situation of limiting my rights without due cause. Of which, there is none against me currently.

You do not get to arbitrarily limit my rights "for the good of everyone" because you want to control me. That will only end in confrontation. and since you rely on someone else to take care of you already, it won't end for you by the time someone you're relying on gets around to helping you (hint, they won't).

Good point. What I was getting at though is that maybe we are looking at how rights are derived in the wrong way. I believe that DCal by creating this thread is making an argument that rights must be plead for, and once convinced, the government then acknowledges that right and allows you to exercise it.

And for what it's worth, the government arbitrarily limits your rights all the time.

 

[zsdersw]

the government arbitrarily limits your rights all the time.

... and it's still wrong, all the time.

 

[dmens]

Umm what? Have you not seen the ballistics on frangible rounds?

Who the fuck uses frangible rounds? Nobody.

A hollow point/open-tip .223 will tumble as soon as it hits dry wall. A 9mm will zip right through.

 

[kage69]

When something is trying to get into the chicken coop in the middle of the night, grab the shotgun, flashlight, and aim for the eyes.

A few years ago I lost several chickens to a mink. One blast from a 12 gauge took care of that problem.

Why dont you take your trolling to off topic?

We had a bobcat get into the chickens one time, holy hell it was like tornado of blood, guts and feathers in there! Definitively not an intruder you want to try and shoo out with a broom.

Also, rabid fox and raccoon have been an issue where I live. I'm no longer a recreational hunter and don't seek things out to shoot, but when a rabid fox tries to enter my garage or tails my wife up the driveway waiting for her to get out of the car - I'm blowing that critter away like lint.

 

[momeNt]

We had a bobcat get into the chickens one time, holy hell it was like tornado of blood, guts and feathers in there! Definitively not an intruder you want to try and shoo out with a broom.

Also, rabid fox and raccoon have been an issue where I live. I'm no longer a recreational hunter and don't seek things out to shoot, but when a rabid fox tries to enter my garage or tails my wife up the driveway waiting for her to get out of the car - I'm blowing that critter away like lint.

Blow dart, treat for rabies, then release into wild. Give it one chicken for the road.

Try being humane for once asshole!

 

[OutHouse]

If a gun is for self defense then you shouldn't need more than one, it isn't like you should fire more than one at a time. I fail to see how a law restricting people to a single gun would violate the 2nd amendment given you would be allowed to own a gun.

why dont you move to england??

 

[Phanuel]

Good point. What I was getting at though is that maybe we are looking at how rights are derived in the wrong way. I believe that DCal by creating this thread is making an argument that rights must be plead for, and once convinced, the government then acknowledges that right and allows you to exercise it.

And for what it's worth, the government arbitrarily limits your rights all the time.

This right was derived a long time ago during this country's founding. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to take it away now because you're all emotional over the wrong thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJFAvA-ZUE

 

[HumblePie]

Who the fuck uses frangible rounds? Nobody.

A hollow point/open-tip .223 will tumble as soon as it hits dry wall. A 9mm will zip right through.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm


READ!!!

5.56 rounds lose all their penetrating power into ballistics gel after going through a single sheet of dry wall. The .223 rounds penetrate only a tad further. Handgun rounds and shotguns rounds pass through drywall like nothing and barely lose any momentum to still be able to produce 10-12 inches or more of penetration through ballistics gel.

As far as frangible, it depends on the type of frangible rounds. Some are designed to be just higher yawing rounds and others are designed to basically be turned to dust upon impact.

 

[dmens]

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm


READ!!!

5.56 rounds lose all their penetrating power into ballistics gel after going through a single sheet of dry wall. The .223 rounds penetrate only a tad further. Handgun rounds and shotguns rounds pass through drywall like nothing and barely lose any momentum to still be able to produce 10-12 inches or more of penetration through ballistics gel.

As far as frangible, it depends on the type of frangible rounds. Some are designed to be just higher yawing rounds and others are designed to basically be turned to dust upon impact.

Um, I'm agreeing with you here.

 

[momeNt]

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm


READ!!!

5.56 rounds lose all their penetrating power into ballistics gel after going through a single sheet of dry wall. The .223 rounds penetrate only a tad further. Handgun rounds and shotguns rounds pass through drywall like nothing and barely lose any momentum to still be able to produce 10-12 inches or more of penetration through ballistics gel.

As far as frangible, it depends on the type of frangible rounds. Some are designed to be just higher yawing rounds and others are designed to basically be turned to dust upon impact.

So 5.56 are the "safest" for home defense.

I know you don't have kids or a family that lives with you, but do you think that from any point in your house aiming in any direction, you would know where your kid's or wife's bed is?

 

[irishScott]

Oh look, another DCal extremist gun control thread. Take a look guys, some random moron on the internet is telling us what he'd "allow" us to have. You know, because his opinion is the arbiter of all that is good and true. 🙄

Seriously, nothing to see here. There's no reforming this idiot. He's ignorant and he likes it.

 

[Printer Bandit]

guns with bullets are so 18th century.

where are the laser guns?

 

[HumblePie]

Um, I'm agreeing with you here.

Oh, right right, cheerio!

but basically 5.56 rounds have far greater diversity in regards to picking rounds for various purposes. Some will penetrate dry wall very easily and still penetrate 10-12 inches of gel without tumbling or yawing very much. Others won't at all. It's about selecting the proper round for the situation. There is a reason the AR15 is the number one choice of weapon for gun fight scenario in an urban environment for police and swat.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm


READ!!!

5.56 rounds lose all their penetrating power into ballistics gel after going through a single sheet of dry wall. The .223 rounds penetrate only a tad further. Handgun rounds and shotguns rounds pass through drywall like nothing and barely lose any momentum to still be able to produce 10-12 inches or more of penetration through ballistics gel.

As far as frangible, it depends on the type of frangible rounds. Some are designed to be just higher yawing rounds and others are designed to basically be turned to dust upon impact.

That's what I meant.

So 5.56 are the "safest" for home defense.

I know you don't have kids or a family that lives with you, but do you think that from any point in your house aiming in any direction, you would know where your kid's or wife's bed is?

Yes

 

[momeNt]

That's what I meant.



Yes

I don't want to do any spoilers, but it makes me think of that movie Killer Elite, if you know the movie you'd know what part I'm talking about.

 

[HumblePie]

That's what I meant.



Yes

ugh, nvm. I misread I think or had a brain fart. Thought you were stating that 5.56 rounds are bad for home defense because they over penetrate.

 

[Texashiker]

Blow dart, treat for rabies, then release into wild. Give it one chicken for the road.

Try being humane for once asshole!

Define "into the wild." Because from my back door I can hear coyotes howling at dusk.

There are people out here who live in rural areas.

 

[momeNt]

Define "into the wild." Because from my back door I can hear coyotes howling at dusk.

There are people out here who live in rural areas.

Outside your property is what I meant. Also if you don't have a fully fenced property then shame on you! You're just begging these poor creatures to be attracted to your chickens and get shot in the face.

 

[ivwshane]

So can we apply the same standard to abortions?

I don't see why anyone should need more than one abortion. Shouldn't they learn to use BC after having one?

Actually republicans have been applying an even stricter standards regarding abortions for the last few years so...




I disagree with the OP, 1 or ten guns doesnt make a difference, at most you can shoot 2 at a time and less accuracy makes that pointless. There are plenty of better ways to lower gun violence.

 

[MiniDoom]

it sounds like dcal and a few others in this thread never left their parents gated community in the suburbs and think the food ferry magically delivers prepackaged meat to the grocery store and all wild animals are as friendly as their family dog.

 

[OutHouse]

Blow dart, treat for rabies, then release into wild. Give it one chicken for the road.

Try being humane for once asshole!

you treat rabies by killing it.

 

[momeNt]

you treat rabies by killing it.

You can also cryopreserve the specimen until a cure is found, but I guess you are only interested in the quick and easy solutions.

 

[WHAMPOM]

If a gun is for self defense then you shouldn't need more than one, it isn't like you should fire more than one at a time. I fail to see how a law restricting people to a single gun would violate the 2nd amendment given you would be allowed to own a gun.

Explain to me why LEO's always carry a backup and a trunk full of arms?

edit: forgot to mention the shotgun up front.