Experts Say Trump Team’s Falsehoods Are Classic ‘Gaslighting,’ often using by dictators

[imported_tajmahal]

If you are going to make claims that obama tried to imprison a journalist you are going to have to drop specific links backing that shit up.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/03/james-risen-anonymous-source-government-battle
or
https://freedom.press/news-advocacy...-eric-holders-tarnished-press-freedom-legacy/

Hopefully links you will read.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yeah thats not good. until you read a unclouded source...

United States v. Sterling[edit]
Jeffrey Alexander Sterling was being investigated during the Bush administration. In 2010 he was indicted under the Espionage Act of 1917, one of the few people in US history whose alleged contact with a journalist was punished under espionage law.[8]

Risen was subpoenaed in relation to the case in 2008.[9] He fought the subpoena, and it expired in the summer of 2009.[10] In what the New York Times called "a rare step," the Obama administration renewed the subpoena in 2010.[10] In 2011 Risen wrote a detailed response to the subpoena, describing his reasons for refusing to reveal his sources, the public impact of his work, and his experiences with the Bush administration.[11]

In July 2013 US Court of Appeals from the Fourth Circuit ruled that Risen must testify in the trial of Jeffrey Sterling. The court wrote "so long as the subpoena is issued in good faith and is based on a legitimate need of law enforcement, the government need not make any special showing to obtain evidence of criminal conduct from a reporter in a criminal proceeding." Judge Roger Gregory dissented, writing "The majority exalts the interests of the government while unduly trampling those of the press, and in doing so, severely impinges on the press and the free flow of information in our society."[12][13]


The Supreme Court rejected his appeal during June 2014,[14] leaving Risen facing the possibility of jail depending upon whether the federal prosecutors choose to pursue his testimony. He has stated that he will continue to refuse and is willing to go to jail.[15]

In October 2014, Attorney General Eric Holder, speaking at a Washington, D.C. event, stated “no reporter’s going to jail as long as I’m attorney general.”[16]

In January 2015 The New York Times reported that Risen "will not be called to testify at a trial", which ended a seven-year legal fight over whether he could be forced to identify his confidential sources.[17]

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeah thats not good. until you read a unclouded source...

From your source.
"In January 2015 The New York Times reported that Risen "will not be called to testify at a trial", which ended a seven-year legal fight over whether he could be forced to identify his confidential sources.[17]"

So i guess those 7 years of legal fighting never took place?

 

[MrSquished]

From one of your sources:

"President Obama said that he was “troubled” by the impact his administration’s leak prosecutions could have on the press, and in response the Justice Department recently revised its policies on how it obtains information from reporters."

That being said, I'm sure Obama had some screw ups in this department as others. What is very ironic is righties now trumpeting things that hey look, Obama was not much different from what we are getting now. This is also in regards to the recent Muslim ban by Trump. For 8 fucking years I heard Obama is a radical Islamic liberal hell bent on destroying this country.

Now the righties are jumping through hoops to say look, Obama was in it like us! It's fucking disgusting.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anybody remember Judith Miller?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#Contempt_of_court

 

[JSt0rm]

From your source.
"In January 2015 The New York Times reported that Risen "will not be called to testify at a trial", which ended a seven-year legal fight over whether he could be forced to identify his confidential sources.[17]"

So i guess those 7 years of legal fighting never took place?

Most of those years was him being hunted by bush you dumb fcuk.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Most of those years was him being hunted by bush you dumb fcuk.

You asshole, from your own link.
"Risen was subpoenaed in relation to the case in 2008.[9] He fought the subpoena, and it expired in the summer of 2009.[10] In what the New York Times called "a rare step," the Obama administration renewed the subpoena in 2010"

 

[JSt0rm]

the subpoena was in 2008 but the events leading to that were 2005-06

 

[disappoint]

No, definitely not. Gaslighting is lying to someone even when they can explicitly see that what you're saying is false, but doing so in such a constant manner that they start to question their own sanity. It originally comes from a play where a woman can see the gas lights in her house getting dimmer as the husband is doing something but despite the fact that she can see them and she knows they are getting darker he says it's all in her head and she's just nuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_Light

fixed link.

 

[HomerJS]

Ooooh, how shocking, fake news network's Amanpour spews drivel about Trump administration. Who could have possibly predicted that?? This is just the swamp critters lashing out because they are part of the swamp getting drained.

Oh really? Name one intentionally false thing CNN has reported on Trump since he won?

 

[agent00f]

lol I agree completely. And it works beautifully - just not on enough voters outside of California to elect the Hildabeast.

I guess it's true that representative pictures are also too complicated for fox news sorts, which explains the bimbos.

 

[brandonbull]

That's not fake news. That's what the data showed. Polling exists somewhere between "science" and black magic; always has. It's usually pretty good, but this year was a very, very strange year, and you obviously know that.

Some models were actually pretty good in taking into account a lot of the potential error for the predictability issues this year. For example, 538 was probably the best, because Trump had a 1/3 chance of winning. considering that he only won by about 100k total votes across three states that he was never expected by anyone of any political stripe to ever win, I'd say those odds were close--if not still too generous.

No one ever gave trump the popular vote victory, and he lost that by a very significant margin. The polls also assume that candidates and the population act relatively rationally (a function that did not work at all with the right this year, and also did not square with Hillary's bizarre decision to ignore her supposed base in MI, WI, and PA).

No, reporting what the polls actually said is not gaslighting. That is like saying "Isn't being a giraffe kinda like the same as being a battleship?"

So you are saying that all the pollsters and pundits were so far off base to the point of being borderline incompetent, and it was just bad data and not a form of gaslighting the election? Maybe the Russians provided the data sets that the pollsters were using.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you are saying that all the pollsters and pundits were so far off base to the point of being borderline incompetent, and it was just bad data and not a form of gaslighting the election? Maybe the Russians provided the data sets that the pollsters were using.

So you're trying to change the subject, obviously. Let's not talk about Trump, the bullshit artiste, his means & methods but rather about how the polls were "wrong".

Pollsters couldn't poll fast enough to keep up with all the gaslighting late in the election cycle.

 

[Commodus]

Today's example of gaslighting: Trump claiming that only a tiny number of people were held for questioning, and that delays at airports were primarily caused by Delta problems, not the thousands and thousands of people filling the hallways in protest.

Between this and Fox News deliberately avoiding coverage of the protests, it feels like that point in a dictatorship where the state broadcaster reassures everyone that everything is fine when it's clear that there's a revolt brewing.