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Info Expert budgeters get in here!

First, let me say my wife and I make very good money (low 6 figures). I invest 18% into retirement, as well as a good amount into savings (emergency fund) every week. None of my bills are late, we both have good credit scores, and in general dont have issues paying our bills. We dont live extravagantly (although we DO spend way to much eating out lol).

That said, I just absolutely SUCK at budgeting. I mean like, S U C K. I know I could be saving more, and know I could be paying off stuff faster. I just dont know how. HEPL.

I started last year with Mint to get an idea of where our money is going, and that is helpful; however, Id like to find something that basically tells me every payday pay these bills and put this money here. Yes I want my hand held. At least until I get the hang of it.

Ive Googled it, and theres a thousand budgeting softwares/sites out there. Ive also considered making an appointment with a money manager or something.

Again, to reiterate, we arent doing bad financially, and have been very fortunate. But I want to do better. So tell me your tricks/tips/ideas!
 
Not much to it aside from "quit spending money". If you have to "budget" to make it day to day, you're over extended; Probably with housing or cars, and you're not gonna like what I have to say about that. Cut excess, squirrel cash. That's it.
 
There's nothing to budget. Add up your monthly costs (don't worry about what you spend), then say "i'm going to put this much more X" every month. Make that whatever is your highest interest debt.Then do it until it is paid off. You might not be able to make the same amount every month, but always put extra to it. When it is paid off, do the same with the next highest interest. That simple. I would pay off debt over trying to find something to invest in right now.
 
I'm gonna be the devil's advocate and say you shouldn't budget; any money that's extra should be spent on yourselves.

If you're putting 18% into retirement, and contributing to a savings account, and you're not in debt, and all of your expenses are covered... you probably don't really need a budget. :smilingimp:
 
I'm far from an expert... but can't go wrong with 1: don't buy stuff you don't need, and 2: pay off debt as fast as you can.

#1 can be expanded. When you spend money on something - anything, consider how long that thing will last you. ex: if you're spending $100 on a night out, that lasts one night. Boom $100 gone. All these little things can add up very fast. It's an easy place to cut.

That and purchases in general, toys etc. I'm bad for it myself... but pretty much have to ask yourself before you make a purchase, "do I REALLY need this, can I do without?". Amazon and Ebay is dangerous for impulse purchasing.

The first priority is paying off debt though. In my case my only debt is my mortgage and I have a bit of money on the credit line that I've been working on paying down too. I'm even considering raising my mortgage payment again once the credit line is paid off. Even if I just increase it by $50 biweekly, I'll hardly notice that difference in the noise of all the bills and other things that come out.
 
I'm gonna be the devil's advocate and say you shouldn't budget; any money that's extra should be spent on yourselves.

If you're putting 18% into retirement, and contributing to a savings account, and you're not in debt, and all of your expenses are covered... you probably don't really need a budget. :smilingimp:

OP does have debt otherwise he would not have said he could pay off stuff faster. Maybe he has a sleep number bed.

OP watch Suzy Orman's show if it is still on. Easiest budget for you would be take your main expenses, mortgage, car loans, any other loans, any unpaid debt. Now subtract that from your take home pay. Then decide how of the leftover you want to use for paying off your debts. You do not need to save more than 18%. I remember when i was doing 15% for my 401K before the 50% match! But that is it, if you look at where you money is going you might be more inclined to spend it more wisely.
 
One of my favorite services is Acorns- they round up every purchase you make and put it into an investment savings account. It makes for an awesome emergency fund and grows like crazy without you even noticing the money gone. I put like $400 in mine last month just from normal purchases.

I know Dave Ramsey gets knocked around a lot, but his Total Money Makeover has some fantastic tips that helped me out sometime back.

In a nutshell- get $1000 in the bank immediately. Use this to pay unexpected expenses, emergencies, repairs, etc. If you use it, it has to be the #1 priority to replentish it.
- Get rid of credit card debt. Make minimum payments on all cards but the one with the lowest balance. Add all of that extra payment money to that card, then snowball the payment to the next one when it's paid off.

Things like that. Worth a listen for $8. Just pop it in the car and listen while going to work.
https://www.amazon.com/Total-Money-.../ref=tmm_abk_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
 
Low six figures -so you mean $200 - $300K?

Both of you should be maxing your retirement accounts. $38K plus company match. Then dont buy anything on impulse, wait 72hrs before every purchase greater than $20.
 
Then dont buy anything on impulse, wait 72hrs before every purchase greater than $20.
While that's good advice, the little stuff can really eat away your money. Eat out all the time, coffee at starbucks, vending machines... Any single purchase isn't a big deal, but added up, you get into real money.
 
Low six figures -so you mean $200 - $300K?

Both of you should be maxing your retirement accounts. $38K plus company match. Then dont buy anything on impulse, wait 72hrs before every purchase greater than $20.
Depending on how much they make, they may qualify for 457s in which case they could do 76k. If he has faith in 457s.
 
OP does have debt otherwise he would not have said he could pay off stuff faster. Maybe he has a sleep number bed.

OP watch Suzy Orman's show if it is still on. Easiest budget for you would be take your main expenses, mortgage, car loans, any other loans, any unpaid debt. Now subtract that from your take home pay. Then decide how of the leftover you want to use for paying off your debts. You do not need to save more than 18%. I remember when i was doing 15% for my 401K before the 50% match! But that is it, if you look at where you money is going you might be more inclined to spend it more wisely.

Appreciate the responses. As far as debt goes...house, 2 cars, and one credit card. Really not much. After giving it more thought I think the best thing II can do is raise my retirement contribution.
 
I found Mint to be useless for budgeting, since it miscatagorized about a third of my wife's transactions into the wrong categories. It also had a habit of locking out my online banking accounts if I updated the password and forgot to update Mint.
 
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Interesting to see someone in your position asking that... We are in the same boat and while I don't know your situation we have no children so that is one major expense we don't have to deal with.

I say that because like you I looked at budgeting options and tried to do it over a few months without much success. My conclusion at the end was that there was really no need to budget because we never let ourselves get into a position where we were behind. I set all my investments & bill payments as auto pay on the day my paycheck is deposited, I then put some money into our joint account and whatever is left after that is my money to do with as I please until the next paycheck arrives. I imagine you could do something similar and it would be enough because you are very fortunate.
 
Just delay as many purchases as possible. You'll see easily what you can live without and aren't worth buying anyway. The key is to only buy things you will DEFINITELY use and have an immediate (or planned near-future) use for.

Also I would recommend not just investing in retirement, but also into yourself through books if not already doing so. You'll learn way more than what anyone can recommend here.
 
Keep all your receipts and make all of your purchases on one or two credit cards if you can (to limit where your spending goes; makes it easier to track and confirm---this is also just a great idea if you have a nice rewards card).

start your own spreadsheet of monthly spending in various categories: Gas, Bills, Food (meaning groceries), Booze (I like to keep this separate from food), Fun (includes eating out--basically, money wasted on the food need), Mortgage, etc.

Just keep up to date with this for a couple of months. If you enter your receipts every other day or so, it's not much of a task. I guess Mint and other apps do this, but I feel that you really need the direct involvement because it tunes your brain better towards what you are doing. Also, you create your own categories, as your thinking about what a certain purchase is for, may not be the same for someone else.

Once you get a handle on where your spending is going, you can start looking at which categories can be sacrificed and, really for most people, eating out is probably going to be the easiest, and most common target. It really is incredibly wasteful. Just imagine how if you only learned to cook a dozen or so decent, balanced meals, and were efficient with grocery shopping, the two of you could actually cut your food budget down to ~$2/meal...forever (outside of inflation, lol). Yes, it's doable. I did this for a little over a year. It gets boring, but it can still allow you to weave in some outside eating when you are making even cheaper meals. The main thing is to challenge yourself and take it seriously, but not to go way too far out of your comfort area. If you gain better habits permanently, it's still a win.

Start thinking about the things that you want that you actually don't need. Do you really need to upgrade your ~3 year-old computer? really? what about your TV--just because it's near 8 years old and the new OLEDs are out...really? Is it going to change your life? What about car payments? How many cars do you need? Do you need a new one every couple of years, do they need to be new and leased? Why am I making the worst-damn decision in spending that any individual human can possibly make by taking out a loan to purchase an essentially valueless people-moving tool? ...that's the other big money hole. cars. think about your actual life needs and priorities.

How much data do you use on your cell service? Have you looked at other 2nd-tier providers with rates that are more competitive than Verizon and ATT, while still using the same towers? Do you watch cable TV or Netflix or Amz Prime enough to justify those costs? ...did I forget how to read for enjoyment in all these years??? These are just questions, and I'm not saying that they even apply to me...but they are essential to ask yourself.

What is your commute like? Is it actually adding to QoL to live far away from work because it's "quieter, nicer, has more space, cheaper mortgage, etc" compared to living much closer to work? Really, is it...or are those just excuses? What do you actually do at home when at home (re: enjoying all of that extra space) and how much time and actual money do you spend getting to and from, and at work? What is the actual life/money investment in this decision to live very far from work that, in reality, is costing you more money and time in the end? (again, may not be your situation, but it's the dumb mistake that many humans make. It is also why traffic is a thing. humans are irrational)

As has been mentioned--the best method is to just stop spending money. Any individual person probably really only needs less than 30% of "the stuff" that they think they need. Don't just make a big purchase on a whim. Spend more time thinking about it. Give yourself a few days before buying a new TV, especially when your current one actually works as well as it always has. Same with your car...especially cars.

Honeslty, you don't need a money manager--just more self-reflection. I find Personal Capital to be a very helpful, very free app to track your real spending. Again, not perfect categorization for myself, but it's very useful.

Also, join the cult:
https://jlcollinsnh.com/
https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/
https://www.gocurrycracker.com/

These are some popular blog for some of the "monks" of the FIRE community. You don't have to completely adopt these kind of lifestyles, but getting into it, and learning the tools to alter your thinking and behavior can be very powerful.
 
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The problem is that he already stated he's fine money wise. That means that techinically he doesn't need a budget. He just needs to commit more money to his debt. That will pay off way faster at this time than socking money away. Spending less is just that, spending less. Nothing complex about that, just track what you spend that isn't bills, and decide if you can or can't live with them. No software is going to tell you that.

Once most of the debt (depends on interest rates) is paid off start throwing more at retirement/investments.
 
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Appreciate the responses. As far as debt goes...house, 2 cars, and one credit card. Really not much. After giving it more thought I think the best thing II can do is raise my retirement contribution.

If you have a rolling credit card debt you should definitely make paying that off your first priority, before increasing your retirement contribution. If you are just listing your credit card because you pay the balance every month then ignore that advice since that isn't really a debt that you are paying interest on. Also if you are paying high interest on either car I would pay that off before increasing your retirement contribution as well. Mortgage debt is generally ok but in most other scenarios you want to get rid of any other debt without a super low interest rate.
 
First, let me say my wife and I make very good money (low 6 figures). I invest 18% into retirement, as well as a good amount into savings (emergency fund) every week. None of my bills are late, we both have good credit scores, and in general dont have issues paying our bills. We dont live extravagantly (although we DO spend way to much eating out lol).

That said, I just absolutely SUCK at budgeting. I mean like, S U C K. I know I could be saving more, and know I could be paying off stuff faster. I just dont know how. HEPL.

I started last year with Mint to get an idea of where our money is going, and that is helpful; however, Id like to find something that basically tells me every payday pay these bills and put this money here. Yes I want my hand held. At least until I get the hang of it.

Ive Googled it, and theres a thousand budgeting softwares/sites out there. Ive also considered making an appointment with a money manager or something.

Again, to reiterate, we arent doing bad financially, and have been very fortunate. But I want to do better. So tell me your tricks/tips/ideas!

A few thoughts:

1. I'd recommend starting small & basic, then growing from there. That way it never gets overwhelming. There is a LOT to learn & do in the world of finance!
2. I'd suggest setting up a basic system that includes identification & tracking. More on that in a minute.
3. If you have debt, Dave Ramsey's "snowball" approach has worked for many people I know.
4. As you get more advanced, look into stuff like FI/ER
5. Get a handle on your expenses as desired, especially food
6. Setup a his & hers allowance system, separate from your bank account
7. Setup savings plans for different things like vacations & expensive toys

To begin with, you don't need anything other than a spreadsheet. Just use Google Sheets, it's free! Let's keep it easy to begin with. Create two tabs in one spreadsheet:

1. Fixed recurring expenses
2. Variable recurring expenses

Fixed recurring expenses are anything that is due on a certain day. Annual car taxes, monthly Netflix bill, etc. This will take some homework. When you're finished, you should have captured a complete list of what is due, when, how much it is, how to login & pay it, etc. For example:

Due Date | Amount | Name | Type | Link | Username | Password | Notes
1st | $10 | Netflix | Service | www.netflix.com | johndoe | password123 | Auto-pay
5th | $12 | Spotify | Service | www.spotify.com | johndoe | password123 | Auto-pay
10th | $250 | Car payment | Loan | www.bankofamerica.com | | johndoe | password123 | Auto-pay
etc.

Some tips:

1. Setup everything you can on auto-pay. Many banks these days offer auto-pay for bills that don't offer that service natively.
2. Set things up to pay early, to account for shifts in calendar, processing time for the payment, etc.
3. Setup a calendar entry to review your list of fixed recurring expenses on the first of the month, to see if anything needs to be added, removed, or modified
4. Keep a $2k buffer in your checking account, which you set to "$0" in your spreadsheet. This is for emergencies & to save you from overdrafts, etc. I have a very simple emergency/rainy-day system: $1k in cash in my bugout bag at home (I've had to evacuate hurricanes & stuff before...it's nice to have cash available for a hotel when the power goes out & card systems are unavailable or something equally crazy happens...it's just insurance), $1k in my savings account, $2k in my checking, $60 cash in each car for emergency gas money, and $20 in my wallet for emergency money (I rarely use cash these days, but sometimes you need it!). 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 expense (which is doable, if you save just $8 a week from your paycheck a week, for a year, instead of going to McDonalds). Just think of all of the government workers who have no paycheck right now & are struggling...you never know what's going to happen. Hopefully nothing, ever, but it pays to be prepared, even if you have to slowly save up to do so!

Variable recurring expenses are a little more difficult. Things like gas, food, and clothing can change dramatically from month to month. You may not drive much this month and save $150 in gas, but maybe you ate out a lot and spent $500 extra over what you normally do. There are a few keys here:

1. Identify your standard variable recurring expenses
2. Setup a target budget (ex. $100 a week on groceries for 2 people)
3. Track your finances for a few weeks to see where your money is going & how much you are spending

There's often a lot of stuff you don't realize is associated with owning & maintaining something. For example, when people hear "car expenses", they say "yeah yeah, car payment & gas". Nope, how about this instead:

1. Car payment (monthly)
2. Car registration (every 2 years)
3. Car emissions testing (every 2 years)
4. Driver's license (every 5 years)
5. Oil changes (as needed)
6. Tire rotations (as needed)
7. Car detailing (as needed; wash, wax, vacuuming, interior detailing, exterior detailing)
8. Gas fuel-ups (as needed)
9. Miscellaneous maintenance expenses (air filter, windshield wipers, windshield fluid, etc.)
10. Miscellaneous unplanned expenses (repair jobs like a flat tire or damaged radiator)
11. Car insurance (monthly)
12. Modifications (typically one-time fees; tint, dashcam, etc.)
13. Town property tax (annually, where I live)

So I don't just have the usual stuff (payment + gas + insurance), but also regular maintenance (oil changes + tire rotations + car washes) & state-specific stuff ($500 proper tax annually + $80 registration every two years + $20 emissions testing every 2 years). Now throw in whatever services you have in your life for other stuff (Hulu, Netflix, Sling, Amazon Prime, etc.), variable expenses (food, A/C & heating for your house, etc.), and everything starts to pile up pretty quickly if left unchecked.

As far as tracking goes, Mint & other tools can help you track, but I found it more effective to just track where my dollars were going manually using another spreadsheet. Nothing difficult...just some column headers for the date, the expense, and the amount, plus a running total formula for the amount tab. As you buy stuff & pay bills, log everything you spent on a daily basis. Every month, you'll see a total of what you spent & have a complete history of what you spent it on. Then you can start splitting out your fixed & variable expenses into your main spreadsheet & start calculating what you typically buy & how much you typically spend. Most people are shocked at how much they really, actually spend on things, especially stuff like food & fuel. For example, I spend a minimum of $200 a month just in gas for my car, which is ridiculous because that's another car payment for a Honda Civic or something similar, haha. But, I drive a lot, and that's not even a bad month for fuel costs, nor does it include my wife's fuel costs.

Long story short, I have a system setup to help me manage my finances. It includes a few tools like my Fixed & Variable Expenses spreadsheet, as well as some calendar reminders (review all accounts for anomalies, pay manual bills as required, change passwords on a monthly basis & ensure that 2FA is setup when available, etc.). For a few minute's worth of easy work every night before bed, I can easily stay 100% on top of my finances. I setup my system to prohibit over-spending, so I never get in trouble. A quick blurb on that:

1. I have a bank account for checkings & savings
2. I have a his & hers AMEX Serve card, which is basically an allowance card that can be auto-refilled on a weekly basis. This comes out as a Fixed Expense & is "mad money" that we can use for stuff like going out to lunch, buying toys, getting a haircut, whatever. I don't have to check with my wife if I want to use my mad money to buy a stupid tech toy or whatever, and I can buy her a birthday gift without her knowing, which is nice.
3. I have a credit card for all meatspace & Internet purchases, which gets paid off monthly. Nothing goes on my debit card, so that my bank account is as protected as possible.

I save up for as much stuff as possible using a personal layaway system, using Smartypig, which is an online bank account that can do auto-withdrawls from your checking account on a scheduled basis. I do this for vacations, expensive toys, large fees (ex. my $500/yr car property tax = $10 per week recurring withdrawl in my Fixed Expenses spreadsheet tab), etc. One such system I use is the "new every 2" concept, where I save up $2k every two years to spend on a hot new computer setup. $20 a week for two years = $2,080, plus 1.75% APY at the moment. Normally I'd balk at dropping two g's on a computer setup, but with this approach, I only ever miss pizza money from my paycheck on a weekly basis, no biggie at this point in my life. I never have to think about this system & I get a new computer every two years, win/win!

I don't care if I suddenly got a windfall & became a millionaire, I'd still track & manage my finances like this because I like the control, I like the results, and I like the personal accountability. Because I take the approach of using checklists via calendar reminders & automating my system as much as possible, and also doing my best to live below my means outside of "allowed" debt (i.e. reasonable house/car/education/medical expenses), I have fairly low self-induced financial stress in my life. I know where my money is going, I know exactly what I'm spending it on, I can instantly see all of my bills & budget "buckets" for different expenses...it's just a non-issue. Granted, I am fortunate to have a decent-paying job & also extremely fortunate that I haven't gotten whacked with something like crazy medical expenses, but at the end of the day, all I can really do is manage my income to the best of my abilities by living below my means & setting up a system to support that. The one defining rule of personal finance is "you can buy anything you can responsibly afford", so if you're a multi-millionaire & can afford a $300k Ferrari, more power to you, as long as you're not putting yourself in debt & your family in the hurt locker by doing so!
 
Budgeting isn't the answer. Learning to stop keeping up with the Jones' is the solution.

Everytime you want to make a purchase ask yourself the question: "Do I really need this shit?"

Budgeting is something that people do when they have a TIGHT budget and have to make sure they allocate certain amounts to certain bills. That isn't necessary for anyone that has a decent living.

Take a look at Mint for the last few months and tell me this: What categories are you spending the most excessively at? That will help us further drill down where you need help - could be dining (eating out to much) or in shopping.
 
Also if you want to just reduce the amount of expense money you have - start contributing better amounts to retirement.

I reccomend pushing it until you...
1) Max out your 401k
2) Max out your spousal 401k
3) Then move on to maxing out ROTH IRAs
4) If you have a high deductible health plan (HDHP) DEFINITELY max out an HSA (Health Savings Account)
 
@Kaido

PERFECT! Thank you very much!

Gotta start somewhere!

Sure, I could spend all day fine-tuning things, playing with investments, churning, cutting coupons, etc., but honestly, I'd rather just work more & not have to think about it, lol. But I have a lot of other things going on in my life, and I don't want my life to be about chasing numbers. I want a solid system that I can self-audit (what are my recurring bills? what's my target allowance for each of my variable expenses every month? what accounts do I have, and how do I log into them?). It's dirt simple once you set it up, just really super easy to keep it operating. I am a big fan of setting things on auto-pilot as much as possible, with just a tiny bit of maintenance on a daily/week/monthly basis to keep things in-check & operating properly, as designed. Again, it's nothing hard - check your daily spending in your bank & credit accounts, check your autopay accounts to make sure they're going through, make sure you're doing your manual payments on a schedule (via calendar alarm reminders & a checklist), etc.

When I was in school & when I first started working in my career, I tracked everything I spend on a separate tracking spreadsheet, with a monthly total, and had 12 worksheet tabs for the year's Excel/Sheets file. As my paycheck increased to a more comfortable level over time, I stopped doing that. I only recommend doing that if your budget is tight and/or if you want to do some short-term tracking to see what you're spending your money on & how much money is really, truly, actually going into each variable expense, mostly because it requires too much effort to sit down & write down everything you spent every single day. If you're at a comfortable level with your paycheck & choose to live below your means, then you can automate the crap out of your personal financial system. Like I said, we have his & hers allowance cards, separate from our bank account, which reload on a weekly basis with our allocated "allowance" for the week, and between that & the rest of the system setup, all I have to do is run through some checklists via calendar reminder alarms for a few minutes here & there. Super easy, but also gives me tons of control!

We, as humans, have strong levels of mental denial without the hard, cold facts in front of us. I still remember helping my friend move out as an adult several years ago & teaching him how to budget. He was absolutely shocked to discover that he spent over $900 a month eating out, and it was 100% at fast-food places like Burger King & Subway. Considering he was making $13/hr at the time, that was literally half his paycheck after taxes. You should definitely understand what you're spending your money on, as well as how much you're spending in each "bucket". And you can absolutely build in different sub-systems to meet your goals. My simple "new every 2" system has worked for 15 or 20 years now, and I never have to cough up $2k all at once for a hot new computer setup (plus lately, computers have gotten so cheap that I can also afford things like a VR headset & a console on top of that!). Again, check out stuff like FI/ER. If you want to vastly reduce your food bill, build yourself a cooking system (I have one to share, if you ask nicely!).

You can make personal finances as endlessly complicated as you want, or you can setup a strong system structure that enables you to meet your goals, both short-term & long-term, in a fairly hands-off manner. Same idea as making a "chores chart" at home that covers all of the regular chores & deep-cleaning & maintenance...split up, over time, it's just another task to do after work & before bed, and things stay pretty "clean" without much effort!
 
I use a program called YNAB. You Need a Budget. It's about $50 a year, and for me it's been a game changer. In the same vein as Mint, they have an option to connect to your bank. I don't use it though, as I like to manually input my paycheck, and spending, And, the app is exactly like the desktop version so it's a win-win. Anyway, say you have $5k coming in every month. What you do is you take the amount and give every dollar a job. So, $2k goes to your mortage. $500 to your car payment. Now, you have half left. $300 to credit cards. $200 for gas. $100 for spending cash. And you fill in every spot possible until you reach ZERO. Lets say you have $800 left over. What I like to do is I'll carry it over for the next month. Instead of spending that money, you can start to pay off your debt if you have any. If not, then you can put it away for emergencies, or to invest. I love this approaach because every dollar gets a job. https://www.youneedabudget.com/

About food. I like to prep all of my meals on Sunday. It forces me to eat healthy, and I can normally keep my spending down to $70 tops. Am I perfect? Nope. But at least I'm aware and conscious about my diet, and what I'm spending mioney on. Going out to eat daily adds up. I had read about a lady who was spending $12k a year on going out and she had no idea.
 
Budgeting isn't the answer. Learning to stop keeping up with the Jones' is the solution.

Everytime you want to make a purchase ask yourself the question: "Do I really need this shit?"

Budgeting is something that people do when they have a TIGHT budget and have to make sure they allocate certain amounts to certain bills. That isn't necessary for anyone that has a decent living.

Take a look at Mint for the last few months and tell me this: What categories are you spending the most excessively at? That will help us further drill down where you need help - could be dining (eating out to much) or in shopping.

I disagree. You need a budget!. At least in the beginning. If all you needed to do was to make a decent living, then why do so many 6-figure couples get themselves into financial trouble? It's because they spend excessively. I know you mentioned about living below your needs, I still believe that having a budget AND living below your needs go hand in hand. IMO, you need to be aware of where the money is actually going. It's the #1 reason why people get into trouble. They delude themselves into buying crap that they really don't need. Like an expensive car with a $500 car payment.

I really like the minimilist lifestyle though. I really think why people are miserable today is because they are buying crap that they really don't need. That in turn gets them into credit card debt. They then have to work at a job that they probably dislike to pay off the shit that doesn't mean much anymore. If I could I'd get rid of my car and walk, or take a bike. I live in NJ and it gets cold, and most places are a distance. I need a car, but at least it's a nice used economical car. When I lived and worked in South Korea I didn't have a car. No car payments, maintence and I was so happy. I was able to save so much money during my stay in Korea.

As Dave Ramsey says "stop trying to impress people you don't like." I couldn't agree more. Do you want to be happy, or do you want to be miserable and mired in debt forever?
 
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